ShootingArts said:

There is a huge difference on the mental side of things when you are clean or think you are clean and when you know that when the video is reviewed it will show fouls.

You lay a six by six on the ground and dozens of people can walk it. Put the beam 200 feet in the air and very few can walk it. The pressure grows with every rack, tremendously more approaching a record. It's almost funny, they are fighting for every ball approaching a record. Once they think they have broken a record they may run another handful of racks almost effortlessly, the pressure is gone.

When I was a pup I cared nothing for golf, still don't. I would be riveted to the screen for the last few shots when two or three golfers were tied. Fifty thousand or more difference in payout for each place even back then. That was exciting!

That is why the videos when these people are trying to market high runs sell poorly, I believe. We already know how the story ends.

Hu

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skogstokig said:

a very fumbly 820

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GideonF said:

I don’t know about this. I would be very curious to know if an average player, a top amateur or a pro could identify the brand of tip (among the good traditional layered pigskin tips of the same hardness) based on feel, CB action etc. especially if they couldn’t see the tip.

People swear that different joints “hit different”. I have a recollection that someone did a test years ago where they taped over the joint and the players were terrible at identifying the joint type - wood to wood, fibre, steel, etc.

I’m not saying some people (especially at the high end of ability) couldn’t pick out their own tip type, but I would not be shocked if most could not.

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sjm said:

Might be Justin Timberlake

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skor said:

That's a weird response...
I'm not a 700 player and I don't know who are those weird players that you know... but I can feel a difference in feedback and performance between tip as I'm sure you can as well and so any other semi decent players.

wouldn't you like to know the tip that feels and perform better for you and make sure to continue using it? I know that I would.

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AtLarge said:

Here's a comparison of stats for the matches I tracked for the World 8-Ball events of 2022 (244 games), 2023 (254 games), 2024 (204 games), 2025 (223 games), and 2026 (205 games) in that order left to right.

The only differences I'm aware of in rules or equipment are: (1) the Predator table was an ARC model in 2025, whereas it was an Apex model the other four years; (2) the corner pocket mouth was 4⅛" this year, whereas it was 4¼" the other four years; and (3) the cloth this year was a new Predator Simonis cloth, whereas it was Predator Arcadia cloth the other 4 years.

• Successful breaks -- 57%, 49%, 53%, 49%, 46%​

• Breaker won game -- 59%, 53%, 58%, 52%, 50%​

• B&R games on all breaks -- 42%, 37%, 37%, 29%, 25%​

• B&R games on successful breaks -- 73%, 76%, 69%, 60%, 55%​

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• Games ending in 1 inning -- 77%, 78%, 73%, 67%, 65%​

• Games ending in the 2nd inning -- 19%, 15%, 20%, 22%, 20%​

• Games going beyond the 2nd inning -- 4%, 6%, 8%, 10%, 15%​

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• Runouts by the player at the table following the break -- 67%, 70%, 63%, 59%, 55%​

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• First player to make a ball after the break won the game in that same inning -- 71%, 73%, 69%, 62%, 60%​

• First player to make a ball after the break won the game in a later inning -- 7%, 5%, 7%, 16%, 11%​

• First player to make a ball after the break won the game (any inning) -- 79%, 78%, 76%, 78%, 71%​

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• Games per missed shot (approx.) -- 2.9, 2.9, 2.3, 2.0, 1.7​

• Games per foul -- 6.8, 8.5, 8.5, 8.3, 5.9​

• Games with one or more safeties -- 8%, 9%, 10%, 15%, 15%​

• Games (excl. B&Rs) with one or more safeties -- 14%, 14%, 16%, 22%, 20%​

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Cornerman said:

I know it doesn't seem to be the popular opinion, but 8-ball is my favorite game to do commentary. And I know it sounds bold, but top amateur players know better how to play 8-ball better than the pros. The pros execute so well that clear mistake in pattern play and percentage play are masked. If amateur players tried some of weird patterns these pros do, they'd never get there. I guess I"m saying that professional 8-ball tournaments deserve better commentary to make the whole experience better.

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maha said:

ive had lots of different tips but one thing ive found on all of them, the ball seems to go in the direction the tip hits it.

and almost all of the 700 plus players i know have no idea what brand of tip is on their multiple shafts. so i cant find out what a good tip is that makes you play well.

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RazaXML said:

the world is one where apa organizes tournaments. it wasn't true doub elim. in the winners bracket final it was all or nothing. the loser is out and does not get a chance in the losers bracket. so nobody wanted to play the team that was stacked with 3 players over 650 fargo. they wanted to go to the losers bracket where there was also a trip to vegas that was way easier to win (one on the winners side and one on the losers side). on the winners side it was an almost guaranteed loss against the stacked team...

my team (who was the second best team in the entire league other than the stacked team) got to be the lucky "winners" to get to the final of the winners bracket because nobody wanted to be there. even though our team is good it was really no match. fargo stats put us at about a 9 percent chance of winning. so we only had one loss and then out of the tournament. every other team got to take a loss and go to the losers bracket but us.

It was by far the dumbest playoffs I've ever played in.

I should add the team that dumped on us did in fact go on to win the trip to vegas on the losers bracket. so yeah

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