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Safe travels to those attending the Derby City Classic this year

Bob Jewett
The first year at the casino was the big ice storm.

Here is the current forecast -- be careful, especially if you are driving.

WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING

* WHAT...Heavy mixed precipitation possible. Total snow accumulations between 9 and 14 inches and ice accumulations around two tenths of an inch possible.

* WHERE...Portions of south central Indiana and central Kentucky.

* WHEN...From late Friday night through Monday morning.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult to impossible
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Looking to purchase a pool table for my home. Need some advice.

Black-Balled
Kris_b1104 said:
Yeah I measured the room and the maximum size I could get is an 8ft, but I wouldn't mind getting a 7ft either so I have more room around the table. I factored in playing surface dimensions and overall table dimensions from end rail to end rail.
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Dimensions from playing surface's outer edges is what really matters...cue tip will only go about 15cm outside the playing surface.

Have you thought about calling a local table mechanic?

They often have tables or info on people with tables for sale .

Major component of "quality" is the installation.
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What does "Outer Tables" mean at Derby?

sjm
In the main arena, the stream table is Table 1. The outer tables are the a) eight tables in the center of the room on each side (Tables 2 - 17) and b) three tables on each of the left and right side of the room (Tables 18 - 23.)

Hence, outer table matches occur on tables in the main ballroom that are not on the stream table. In the past, the most elite players have rarely had to play outside the main arena except in the earliest rounds.
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

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td873 said:
The only thing that should matter is the moment of contact. The language mentioned ("smooth," "timing," "follow-through") are descriptions of characteristics that we (as humans) need to accurately replicate the "moment of contact" for some manner of predicable result. That is, for all of us human pool players, we discuss stroke as a proxy/predictor for the "moment of contact."

If a machine could create the "moment of contact" with the same factors over and over using a 1mm, or whatever distance, "stroke" (e.g. the "spin, power, angle" noted) - it would have a repeatable and measurable result. There are no delivery/pre-delivery/post-delivery requirements. Just the force(s) at the moment of contact.

Here's a new robot that helps on this point. It does have some type of stroke, but only to accelerate the cue cue to mechanical limitations. If it could be done in a shorter distance, the result would be the same.

-td (my $0.02, probably worth less)

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I love this thing. The stroke is like magic.
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Looking to purchase a pool table for my home. Need some advice.

gregcantrall
Okay I gotta think of my toughest move of my Franken table with 9 foot body from dumpster and slate rails from antique Wendt table. The body was the upstairs challenge. I did it solo. Shrug the 3 pieces of slate were manageable on a hand truck.
I can still recall the disbelief when I showed up to pick up the free table. "where's your help?" Was met with, "uh I will get it out of your way. One way or another. If you just want it gone....🤷‍♂️ "
They allowed me to remove it and watched as I moved it using trucks and winch on trailer. All in one piece. I have reconditioned it. As the cloth was ripped and rails hard as rock.
Now
20260122_084251.jpgupdate on the stain. 😉
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And my cover stow away.
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Myth or real - Stroke smoothness as a requisite for certain shots

td873
Oikawa said:
My understanding is that for the CB's reaction after hitting it with the cue, all that matters is what the cue is doing at the moment of contact, within a few milliseconds(?) of the impact. Breaking down the components of the possible factors at impact (normalizing for the environment and the cue itself, I'm not talking about whether a shitty tip vs. good tip can execute certain shots), these would be point on CB (spin), power and angle of impact in 3D space. Simple enough, and makes sense.

However, the amount of times I've heard (mostly from local folks, but also at various online discussions) that certain shots can only be executed with a "smooth stroke", "good timing" or a "good follow-through", such that those shots are literally impossible without it, makes me wonder if there's any truth behind it, or if its just a false belief that has evolved over time from the fact that good timing is very useful in many other aspects, and that great players who make great shots often also have great timing.

Does anyone here know any science behind this, does the timing/smoothness/delivery etc. whatever you want to call it really affect the range of possible shots that can be executed? What I am absolutely not disputing is that timing aids in consistency, that is true. An extreme spin shot is definitely more likely to be made with a smooth delivery, but can all the shots be executed even one time with a bad one? That is the question I'm wondering.

My own experience definitely supports that this is a myth, what do you all think?
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The only thing that should matter is the moment of contact. The language mentioned ("smooth," "timing," "follow-through") are descriptions of characteristics that we (as humans) need to accurately replicate the "moment of contact" for some manner of predicable result. That is, for all of us human pool players, we discuss stroke as a proxy/predictor for the "moment of contact."

If a machine could create the "moment of contact" with the same factors over and over using a 1mm, or whatever distance, "stroke" (e.g. the "spin, power, angle" noted) - it would have a repeatable and measurable result. There are no delivery/pre-delivery/post-delivery requirements. Just the force(s) at the moment of contact.

Here's a new robot that helps on this point. It does have some type of stroke, but only to accelerate the cue cue to mechanical limitations. If it could be done in a shorter distance, the result would be the same.

-td (my $0.02, probably worth less)

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