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Best to Say Nothing at All?

Bavafongoul
On the lag, I never wish my opponent good luck. That is the dumbest remark I’ve ever heard in competitive play.
Yeah, like I really want my opponent to beat me by being lucky. I intend to win, even if I don’t. So all I say is simple.
Play your best……and I mean it too. I want their best game which only means my victory is more meaningful to me.

If I win a match, I merely say….I look forward to when when we can play again. It all comes down to this approach.
Pool is a game of honor where players can and should call fouls on themselves that otherwise might go unnoticed.

So as honorable persons, your approach to competition should be this. WIN WITH GRACE & LOSE WITH DIGNITY.
Always remain a graceful winner with your opponent and don’t demean your adversary’s victory being petulant or complaining. Don’t moan over the bad rolls you suffered, BIH fouls or OBs your adversary slopped in. You lost…own it.

My stepdad pounded that belief all the time when I was a young teen learning to play pool. My opponent didn’t do a thing to cause me to miss a shot? Indeed, he can make it a very hard shot to attempt but I’m responsible for missing the shot.

At the start of a match, wish your opponent plays their best but never wish them good luck. If you were playing poker and your had to show your cards against another player for the biggest pot of the night, are you really stupid enough to
wish them good luck before showing their hand. Don’t say something just to say something and try to make it pertinent.
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Push shot foul?

GideonF
iusedtoberich said:
This clip is all over fb.

The ref didn’t declare them frozen. (Unless it was earlier before the clip started).

There is no way in a million years those balls were frozen! You can tell by the sound and the reaction of both balls that there was a gap. When they are frozen, they separate and go at slightly different speeds even if follow is used, and the sound is pure like hitting a normal CB.

Karl for sure knows the American Pool frozen ball rule. He played pro American style pool for 15 years.

I think he just had a brain fart at the very end when he mentioned snooker and shooting away from a declared frozen ball….. Because he couldn’t believe what he just saw!

That is the most blatant foul I’ve ever seen in pro pool. The last time I’ve seen that foul was 20 years ago at the local Tuesday night handicap tournament by a complete banger.
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As I wrote above, Pongers called the ref over to inspect the balls and the ref said something after inspection. If he said “frozen” or “touching” then the shot was legal. If he said “not frozen” then it’s the clearest foul ever and Pongers is an idiot (I’m assuming he declared it frozen because I just have to believe Pongers knows the rule). And of course if they were declared frozen then by rule they are frozen even if the ref misses a small gap.

Karl clearly doesn’t know the rule. He didn’t discuss at all the issue of they were frozen and clearly thought you could never shoot into a frozen object ball.
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EUROPEAN OPEN 2026, Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, March 10-15

Bob Jewett
Pensacola said:
... While at it can someone explain to me why they don't have a true double elimination tournament, instead of this BS where if you
WWL your eliminated, and if you WLW or LWW you advance of may advance?
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It is a two-phase tournament. The "qualification" phase is double elimination that gets rid of half the players, then the "main" tournament is single elimination. Matchroom has been doing this for a while, but previously it was double until they were down to 64.
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Push shot foul?

J
Bob’s posts above are blunt, but I think properly highlight some of the difficulties with pool rules. Well intentioned people with experience can be very wrong on how they interpret a rule. I’ve had trained refs demonstrate that they misunderstand a specific rule. Maybe they aren’t well trained etc… but people get things wrong all the time. Like the befuddled announcers in this thread.
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iusedtoberich
This clip is all over fb.

The ref didn’t declare them frozen. (Unless it was earlier before the clip started).

There is no way in a million years those balls were frozen! You can tell by the sound and the reaction of both balls that there was a gap. When they are frozen, they separate and go at slightly different speeds even if follow is used, and the sound is pure like hitting a normal CB.

Karl for sure knows the American Pool frozen ball rule. He played pro American style pool for 15 years.

I think he just had a brain fart at the very end when he mentioned snooker and shooting away from a declared frozen ball….. Because he couldn’t believe what he just saw!

That is the most blatant foul I’ve ever seen in pro pool. The last time I’ve seen that foul was 20 years ago at the local Tuesday night handicap tournament by a complete banger.
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Push shot foul?

Bob Jewett
Island Drive said:
Foul.... cb and obj. ball had same forward speed. and he hit straight at it.
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Sadly and surprisingly, you have no idea what the rules are. You might try reading them some time. Here is a brief exerpt:

However, if the cue-ball is touching an object-ball at the start of the shot, it is legal to shoot towards or partly into that ball (provided it is a legal target within the rules of the game) and if the object-ball is moved by such a shot, it is considered to have been contacted by the cue-ball. ​
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EUROPEAN OPEN 2026, Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, March 10-15

P
Every time I turn around, it seams that AJ Manas either has some visa issues, or he wins his first two matches, losses his third match and is eliminated from a double elimination tournament.

Mabe he needs to get away from that "mentor" Pilipino comedian who's supposed to be helping him. Visa issues stopped him from going to U.S. in time for Open, now visa issues for European open...WTF is going on?

While at it can someone explain to me why they don't have a true double elimination tournament, instead of this BS where if you
WWL your eliminated, and if you WLW or LWW you advance of may advance?
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Push shot foul?

J
Island Drive said:
Ultimate pool I don't think is a good comparison. They have a rule that they used in Denver.... when your match is on the TV table 8 on the break wins.
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Ultimate Pool is a good comparison because it uses the English 8 ball/ world rules which Bob was discussing. It isn’t a good comparison to the applicable rule inWNT, WPA etc…. TV rules in the pro matches in UP are completely irrelevant of course.
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Push shot foul?

Island Drive
JPB2 said:
Ultimate Pool uses this rule. I don’t like it or get it really. Have to play by it but I don’t get how you get credit for the hit playing away from it. It’s a fictional hit. Why not allow an option to spot it like in the carom games? But that doesn’t work in 8 ball I guess.
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Ultimate pool I don't think is a good comparison. They have a rule that they used in Denver.... when your match is on the TV table 8 on the break wins.
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Played One Pocket Today

J
maha said:
if you make one on the break its yours and you keep shooting. that's part of the break. just like 9 ball.

they kind of changed the rule just for the pro tournaments as some cried. so all the idiots that can barely play the game and don't know how to break just follow along with it.
same with racking for yourself.
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Seems necessary in rack your own. But opponent rack the ball should count IMO.
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Funny pic/gif thread...

Rusty in Montana
bbb said:
why dont you or should not just over loop every loop?
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You can however the current doesn't flow as well through the wire when it's coiled that way .
There also can be static within the cable when unplugged , yes I know that sounds crazy but a tech was adamant about it so I let it go at that .

For instance camera cables are of various lengths , the longer cables or runs can become a huge tangled mess if they're just coiled and not over undered .

For many year's " Tuffy " would request that I be his cable page every year when the PBR came to Billings , for close to 24 years he and I worked together behind the first 3 bucking chutes which is the #1 camera position .

During the opening of the bull riding Tuffy literally walked to the far end of the arena to get the required shots while I stayed back at the chutes with the main coil of cable . Yes I cheated and marked the camera cable after stretching it out and a bit further so we had plenty of wiggle room if needed .

This camera cable was 500' long and without over undering it , my job wouldn't of gone so smoothly and what appeared effortlessly ha ha .
We also would go out to the holding pens to get " footage " of the bounty bulls or a feature bull , no matter if it was nice and dry or muddy and wet on occasion even in blizzards . Then all that cable needed to be wiped off and clean no mud or green stuff on it ha ha

Now days Tuffy and his blushing bride stay close to home in Oklahoma and we keep in touch with one another to this day .
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J
Bob Jewett said:
I believe the announcers minds were poisoned by long exposure to the rules of snooker, and even worse, the rules of English 8-ball. At those games you get to shoot away from the ball and get credit for the hit, and you are forbidden to move the ball.
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Ultimate Pool uses this rule. I don’t like it or get it really. Have to play by it but I don’t get how you get credit for the hit playing away from it. It’s a fictional hit. Why not allow an option to spot it like in the carom games? But that doesn’t work in 8 ball I guess.
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