Here's my favorite story about someone asking their opponent to gamble in a tournament. It wasn't league play, but it was an amateur event at the time. Be careful whose cape you tug on.

kingwang said:

Can you share some names? I'm guessing the TW player wasn't one of the current elites, yeah?

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There is a crew of them that generally roll in a pack. They regularly rock up and chill at my local hall (I guess the city is a good transit point between home and mainland for them), they lounge around, eat bing long and play the odd game. It's pretty cool to watch them play, or even ask them the odd annoying question or piece of advice. Occasionally get roped into doubles games, or have a bit of fun.

Depends on your definition of "elite" - He is Fargo 800+
I won't put names out into the open space like this, just because it is impolite to do so. Can DM you the details if you want to know

maha said:

i dont get it. there is no ego involved you are making a game for money. if you dont like what is offered you turn it down.

i dont know what a TW player is but i supposed its a good one. but it doesnt matter who you bet with make the game right for you or dont play.

funny how in different countries people put their pride or what others think about them over what is the correct thing to do.

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Taiwanese. And I agree with you, the difference in attitudes to playing and making games is different all around the world as a result of our respective cultures. I do feel that the attitude, and the 'hustle' involved in match-ups is different in East Asia, compared to other parts of the world. A lot more ego and personal pride involved. From my what I can see living here, It's not all about the cheese and how to eat it. This is in contrast to some other parts of the world, where getting the cheese by any means necessary is the objective.

maha said:

how can a more dense ball be the same weight as a less dense one that is the same weight and size.

explain how it can be easier to draw and harder to follow. im not sure of that.

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Well, a light cue ball will draw more easily and a heavy ball will follow more easily. But the thread on ball weights says there is not much difference in the various types, as I recall.

Also important is how "elastic" the balls are. More elastic means less energy is lost in the ball-ball contact. A dead or inelastic ball will follow more easily and is harder to draw.

Personally, I wouldn't trust AI for this info.

As for a more dense ball ball of the same size being the same weight?!? I would definitely not trust AI on that one.

how can a more dense ball be the same weight as a less dense one that is the same weight and size.

explain how it can be easier to draw and harder to follow. im not sure of that.

Rusty in Montana said:

View attachment 900244This one still cracks me up so I had to post it again !

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Years ago, I tried to attend a football game my Godson was playing. He played on a team called the Cougars. I was last to the game. His dad told me they were having an end-of-the-season party and to just come to a specific address. I knew NO ONE at this party except my best friend and his son. I was in the kitchen talking with a bunch of strangers when a lady asked whose kid was mine on the team. With a straight face, I asked her, "What team? I thought this was a cougar party. I am just here for the cougars." I thought she was gonna lose her shit. First, that a stranger was in her house, second, she was probably about 30 and she thought I just called her a cougar! I am not sure what upset her more. I quickly told her who I was there with at the party and it all calmed down...

rexus31 said:

Apples, meet oranges. The US has one of the largest youth soccer programs in the world (AYSO), it just never really got traction as a professional sport here until recently. I'm not seeing any amateur Heyball leagues popping up. I'd doubt there are 100 Heyball tables in the US.

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Also nearly every single middle and high school already has a combo football/lacrosse/soccer/track field.

To get Chinese 8 ball in the USA popular a room owner would need to replace all of his pool tables with C8B tables. Never going to happen.

rexus31 said:

What’s the penalty for doing do?

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Discretionary. Range of penalties from warning to DQ. The rule lists factors they consider. I have no idea how often it comes up in their events. I haven’t had opponents ask me to gamble, but I haven’t played tons of their events. I doubt I’d call them on it; it would take a lot for me to run to a ref over that. I really don’t know how common it is or how people react to it.

hit the nail on the head there stu.

JPB2 said:

BCA does say it is unsportsmanlike conduct to offer to gamble with opponents or spectators during your match. Rule 1-45. But that is not exactly a broad ban on gambling.

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What’s the penalty for doing do?

Kris_b1104 said:

Florida or Texas might be a good place for it. If Matchroom can afford a venue in NYC that would be ideal.

Wherever it goes, it needs to be somewhere that has a lot of pool fans, like St. Louis. Some of us amateurs actually would like to attend a WPC once in their lifetime. I don't even like watching the stream with a dead crowd, but I do it for the love of the game. It's gotta change.

Matchroom promotes all these exciting venues and events like Hanoi, Phillipines, US Open, Mosconi Cup, where the crowd is ignited and the feel is electric, but when it comes to the biggest most important/prestigious event of the year, it's dead silence for the WPC.

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It is not and has never been about geography. The US Open in Atlantic City had big crowds every day. That's not enough because production costs were high enough there that it was hard to make the kind of money sought by the event producer. Hotel convention centers are expensive to book and room night quotas will tend to be high. Hence the move to Texas, where I am sure production costs will be lower.

Does anyone think that Yuma, Arizona, which is less than 10 miles from the Mexican border and is nowhere near any of Arizona's three major cities (Phoenix, Flagstaff, Tucson) was the chosen site for the upcoming Matchroom major called the Arizona Open because of its geography? Yuma in August? Wow! I'm sure the site was chosen because production cost there will be manageable, opening the door for a profitable event.

Obviously, we all hope events will draw live attendance. Watching the stream of the past World 9ball events in Jeddah was shocking for me. The lack of interest in the event in a city of 3,000,000 was embarrassing. Seeing world champions playing in front of empty arenas was just painful. Despite the large prize fund, it just didn't have the feel of an important event for me and the optics did not serve the sport's image or future well.

The Saudis are to be thanked for the money they brought to the game, but the experiment just did not work and it is time to move on.