Cue Tip Compression

What I will say is, that you're trying to transfer energy to the cueball for spin and draw and a softer tip cushions and absorbs energy, creating less transfer to the cueball. Sure there are players that have a good eenough stroke to overcome this but I cannot. For a 5 diamond distance draw I can draw the cueball 1 or 2 diamonds with the Blue recoil and a pure stroke, 2-4 diamonds with the Red, and 5-7 diamonds with the Green. your milage may vary 🤷‍♂️ The harder tip just transfers more energy.
Hello Bulletproof Billiards! Any promos coming up on the Recoil tips?

Why are there so few black pro players..?

No, sounds ridiculous. You'll be one of the people who argue "WoMeN sEe CoLoUrS bEtTeR bUt MeN aRe BeTteR aT aImInG" I'm not getting sucked into this dead weight, but I hope in the future there are more opportunities for all people to play the game we enjoy.
What does '' "WoMeN sEe CoLoUrS bEtTeR bUt MeN aRe BeTteR aT aImInG" '' mean..?

And while I learned in this thread that blacks at some point could not enter tournaments, we need more opportunities for ''all people'' to play the game today..?Which people have less opportunities apart from the ones living on the south and north poles plus desert tribes..?

(Un)Popular Opinion on Fargo Rate

Many people don't internalize very well the role of fluctuations and regression to the mean. What I mean by that is that when you take a little run of unusual success, like Yapp now or Mickey Krause for a bit there or FSR a few years ago, what you're likely seeing is a chance alignment of three things, like a storm surge of high ocean water (the real signal) happening to arrive right at high tide (artificial boost) near full moon (another artificial boost).

With pool, we have actual performance boost (the real signal) combined with getting net rolls (artificial boost) combined with opponents falling short of their average execution (artificial boost).
I'm highly sensitive to what you are saying because I'm a gambler and need to do exactly what you are saying. I just do it subjectively because I don't think a formula can capture form changes correctly (young players improving, old players declining, personal problems impacting performance short term, higher dedication leading to sudden improvment etc..) I am subjectively suggesting Yapp is probably the 3rd best player in the world at the moment and Fargo is recognizing that too slowly. However, I will concede I don't know how long it will last. Filler and Gorst have susteanied what Yapp is doing for longer. That makes them more likely to continue playing at that super elite level

Yapp winning, with a foul! Just like Maradona making a goal with his hands :D

You really need to use the quote function to reply when you are dialoguin to a specific post?
Yeah I know.

So you’re saying that the nine ball does not have to move in the same frame rather it must move the frame right after… and if the nine ball did not move the frame right after (your chosen one) then you deduced that it is not a fault…


Ok, just no. Again you’re wrong. I will not write a wall of text but that just not how frames and pictures work. It does not have to be the frame after. And it can still be a foul

Cheers.
Maybe you forgot vision is keyed to brain rate?

There.

Help me decide the wrap!

I was experimenting with hemp cord (not twine which is rough) as a cue wrap. I found some finely produced in the exact thickness of #9 Cortland. I want to get back to that experiment, it has been some years.

I have only found one cue maker that uses hemp wrap, and they are (or were) in Canada. It seemed to be more of a novelty.

Believe it or not, it presses and finishes really nice. So, black works great. Coming up with something with color specs is another matter. There is variegated, but since it's for arts and crafts the quality is really inconsistent. And I think variegated looks like crap on a cue.
Well, Irish Linen, so to speak, is nothing but fishing line, if we go back to Cortland, which we tend to do. Today's linen only goes on cues that I know of, as the fishing industry has long since gone to Dacron. In fact, if we go back to the Palmer 2 catalog, those cues that were advertised as Irish Linen, actually had Dacron wraps on them. I still have one, Model D, and nothing wrong with it. They found some that looked something like real linen.

If another wrap could be developed, I'd be all for that. Hell, the industry has largely replaced wood shafts with carbon fiber, and the butts as well. I'd like to see an alternative wrap that could look and feel a lot like the old Cortland 9. Easier said than done.

(Un)Popular Opinion on Fargo Rate

The thing with pool is there is still a decent amount of luck. I'm sure one can go back to many of Yapp's recent matches and find instances where if a roll went slightly differently he would have lost. And guess what? At some point in the (likely near-) future he will have a bad run. If you tie Fargo too much to recent results then you are tracking luck as much as skill.

Now that doesn't mean that its current formulation is perfect, but I understand why it is as sticky as it is. And without access to full data, it would be difficult to come up with a recommendation for how it could be improved.

That said, I do think this stickiness can be quite deceiving when it comes to players at either end of the age spectrum. Junior/developing players might get a lot better a lot quicker than the system will recognize, and of course aging players or those who hardly play any more can/will have skill levels well below what is represented by Fargo. One possible improvement, therefore, might be to tie the stickiness as much to games played as time--as far as I understand it, games currently age based on time alone.
I hear everything you are saying, but to me anything over maybe 18 months is probably close to irrelevant as long as the player is active. Players have good and bad years depending on what's going on in their lives and to some degree luck, but they don't really have fully lucky or unlucky years. Their form changes. My point is that 3 tournaments almost certainly contains some luck. It far from tells the whole story, but it tells quite a story and should be enough to move the rating noticeably. It wasn't mostly luck. He beat enough great players fair and square to think he's simply playing great.

Help me decide the wrap!

It all comes from China now. I've heard rumors of another linen maybe being produced in another country, but so far, no evidence.
I was experimenting with hemp cord (not twine which is rough) as a cue wrap. I found some finely produced in the exact thickness of #9 Cortland. I want to get back to that experiment, it has been some years.

I have only found one cue maker that uses hemp wrap, and they are (or were) in Canada. It seemed to be more of a novelty.

Believe it or not, it presses and finishes really nice. So, black works great. Coming up with something with color specs is another matter. There is variegated, but since it's for arts and crafts the quality is really inconsistent. And I think variegated looks like crap on a cue.

Why are there so few black pro players..?

Not really.

For example, had I asked why are all top 100 meter sprinters black, the answer would be that they genetically have more fast twitch muscle fibres, so their race makes them superiour in that sport.In pool that does not apply, not to blacks, not to whites.Sound good?
No, sounds ridiculous. You'll be one of the people who argue "WoMeN sEe CoLoUrS bEtTeR bUt MeN aRe BeTteR aT aImInG" I'm not getting sucked into this dead weight, but I hope in the future there are more opportunities for all people to play the game we enjoy.

Yapp winning, with a foul! Just like Maradona making a goal with his hands :D

So you’re saying that the nine ball does not have to move in the same frame rather it must move the frame right after… and if the nine ball did not move the frame right after (your chosen one) then you deduced that it is not a fault…


Ok, just no. Again you’re wrong. I will not write a wall of text but that just not how frames and pictures work. It does not have to be the frame after. And it can still be a foul

Cheers.
What I've said has been crystal clear and repeated many times, but I will go ahead and state it for you once more, just please make sure to read it however many times it takes for it to really sink in and take the time to really think it out so you actually comprehend and understand it. In regards to things like a cue shaft side swiping a spherical pool ball sitting on a pool table covered in brand new Simonis 860 that is sitting under hot lights as was the case here (i.e. the fastest, slickest conditions), if a ball has been hit hard enough to be moved, it starts moving right away. It doesn't sit there absolutely perfectly still for a while before deciding to move at some later time or date. That's just not how the physics works. Because of this fact, we know that if the shaft hits the nine ball then in the next frame after that we should be able to see that the ball is no longer in the same place that it was before it was hit, and that it has now moved at least some amount as a result of that impact it received from the shaft.

So what do we actually see in this particular case when we look at the next frame after the foul had to have happened, if it had happened? What we see in that next frame after the foul would have had to have happened, if it happened, is that the nine has not moved even an iota, not even maybe. This strongly indicates that the shaft never hit the nine ball, because if it had we would seen that it had moved at least slightly from where it was before the impact, but yet it hadn't moved even the tiniest, most miniscule bit.

Now you have been and continue to argue that a nine ball hit by a shaft hard enough to move may not actually move right away, that it may and in this case did just decide to sit there dead still for a while before finally deciding to move at some later time at its leisure when it felt good and ready to go ahead and move in reaction to the fact that it was hit by a shaft some while back. Since you keep claiming that is exactly what happened here, I want you to explain the physics of how that would be possible. And for whatever explanation that you try to come up with, I want you to also explain why it would make sense to believe that is more likely what actually happened than the scenario I laid out, which is that no foul occurred, that the nine ball is "moving" in literally 80+% of the frames of the video both before and after the shot because of very obvious camera/video issues, and when you see the nine ball "moving" again a couple of frames later after the shot, and after the foul would have had to occur, that it was just another one of those 80+% of the frames where the there is the optical illusion of the nine "moving" due to the camera/video issues.

You keep talking about "how frames" work, and are completely oblivious to the fact that this is as much or more about how physics works. Everybody understands videos and frames, except perhaps you. That's the easy basic part. Worry about trying to understand and explain the physics, because that's what you obviously don't understand and your arguments so far have been in conflict with the laws of physics.

I also want to make sure we agree on the same premises, as obvious as they seem I'm wondering if you aren't comprehending that part of things either. Do you agree that in the video in post #138, once the clip actually starts playing at about the 60% point, that there are optical illusions obviously caused by camera/video issues that make the nine ball appear to be "moving" both before and after the shot all over the place in like 80+% of the frames?

Also, if a foul occurred where the shaft hit the nine ball like you say happened, do you agree that it had to have happened BEFORE this frame taken from the video in post #138? You are going to have to look at a few frames from right before and right after the shot in the video from post #138 in order to be able to answer.
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