lakeman77 said:

Maybe a collector pays up, but for intrinsic value 200-400. The cue world has moved on. CF shafts, Predator etc. $1900 in 1991 ?? That's like $10,000 in today's dollars. I can't imagine players lined up to buy it.. Good Luck.

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I didn't get the cue to sell it. Probably only a collector would want it. I would rather play with this cue than anything Predator makes. The cue plays great. This is a collectible cue worth a pretty penny.

And then there are the top snooker players who have the toe of their "back" foot more forward than the other. I wonder if that's the best way for them to stand. Maybe it is. It looks bent and awkward and uncomfortable to me.

iusedtoberich said:

Or a private gambling match. (one hole or banks is the only modern game it comes up). Before each one hole match I'm in, I always ask if center or edge of the ball must be past the line. Everyone in 30 years of gambling one hole always has said edge. Not a single center.

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When you break at nine ball, do you put the cue ball fully behind the line?

fastone371 said:

I gander that you would measure the center (base) of the ball the same way you measure the edge, lay a cue across the diamonds.

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Just look across the table even with the two headstring diamonds. See whether the ball is more to the left or right of the diamonds. I think that is easier than seeing whether the edge of the ball is to the left or right of the center of the diamonds, because the situation is symmetrical and humans are good at seeing small asymmetries.

In any case, the official rule has always been the base/center of the ball.

church66 said:

... Outright Markets​

Winner
Wu Yize
2/1
John Higgins
2/1
Mark Allen
11/4
Shaun Murphy
7/2

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No love for Shaun? He's the favorite now.

Clarifications, for the push out on the "spotted balls version"....

1) If someone pocket scratches and the ball spots and its BIH behind the line.... can the incoming player still call a push-out?

2) If someone makes an unintentional "bad hit" by not hitting the lowest ball and pockets a ball, does it spot?

3) If someone calls a push-out and intentionally pockets a ball, does it spot? Edit: does the answer change if it was the lowest ball on the table, vs the non-lowest ball?

How about thin off white and then long, short, short. At least three ways to score. I think the kiss can be avoided.

Get in there! John Higgins out. Come on Wu - give us a final that we can enjoy tomorrow.

Badpenguin said:

Yeah, no, none of that is going to happen any time soon. AI replacing all jobs, outside of maybe some low level developer jobs, is a myth. No one is making a profit using AI or doing anything any better with AI. Actually it isn't a myth, it is fraud. It is tech companies covering up their losses or making their investors happy by laying off people. Not only that, we simply don't have the electrical grid and other infrastructure to do what these morons are claiming. There is still plenty of white collar work to be done, once this pyrafraud bubble bursts.

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You are sorely mistaken and I think you will be surprised very soon. I work for a small sophisticated fund and we are delegating to Ai left and right. One of the main features our head developer is working on is creating Ai agent teams that are field experts. You can feed Ai research papers and get a field expert in seconds. They analyze strategies and data in deep and meaningful ways, they construct plans for tax and legal implications, they backtest hundreds of thousands of variable parameters and make hotspot matrices that humans were previously incapable of, and they do every ounce of grunt work you could imagine on top of that. I used to be of the same mind as you and I agree Ai is not as sophisticated as people think, but I’m seeing first hand how powerful it is as a tool. We’re are currently being evaluated to be bought by a large financial institution, and the main draw is how small we have been able to remain trading the amount of capital with the variety of strategies we use, and that is explicitly because Ai has allowed us to do so. This financial institution has also said they want to model future departments after us. So yes it is coming. And to your point about driving, we’re already surrounded by driverless Ubers here in LA (Waymo’s).

wuhoo, my murphy bet landed. and what a finish. thrilling

iusedtoberich said:

To this day, I've never been to a local event that did NOT go by the edge of the ball. Was it really never in any rulebook?

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Or a private gambling match. (one hole or banks is the only modern game it comes up). Before each one hole match I'm in, I always ask if center or edge of the ball must be past the line. Everyone in 30 years of gambling one hole always has said edge. Not a single center.

maha said:

if no line on the table which there were never lines on tables in pool rooms back then. so that is why most places said any part of the ball behind the line makes it unplayable. this way you could lay your cue across or a piece of string and if it touches the ball its in.

how are you going to measure the center of the ball or the base of the ball on the table without an argument if its an important shot.

what is right or should be isnt important what is is what you can prove or demonstrate.
and the old, it works equally for both sides so why not.

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IMO, both ways are the same ease to determine. You just stand at the side rail with your eye near the diamond and close one eye and look straight across. The center of the ball is easy to find.

I've never in 30 years of play seen a player put their cue or a string across the diamonds. Only the eye test.

ClamWon said:

What's the diameter at the end of the butt? And what's the shaft weight so I can calculate the butt weights?

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no dispute way. cue across the diamonds and any part hits the cue no good. simple simon.

if you have a line on the table then you can use that for base of ball if you chose and say before you play what you are using.

for money games i see base of the ball get argued sometimes.

this session has been very well played.