Deflection question, explain how a stiffer CF shaft has less deflection.

My understanding of deflection mirrors much of what has been said on this thread in that I have the believe (right or wrong) that as far as deflection is concerned, end mass is what matters.

Correct; although, lateral shaft stiffness also has slight direct and indirect effects per the info and explanations here:

a LD CF shaft offers two benefits--lower deflection and increased energy transfer.

This video discusses other advantages of CF shafts:


The CF fiber shaft resource page has more info, including this list:

Advantages of a carbon-fiber (AKA graphite) shaft include:

  • It is smooth and has very little friction, especially with an open bridge.
  • It stays cleaner than a wood shaft, which can be difficult to keep sealed, clean, and smooth (with no scratches or dings).
  • It is easy and safe to clean with a damp towel.
  • It doesn’t warp even under humidity and temperature extremes (so you can leave it in the trunk of your car in any weather).
  • It doesn’t scratch easily.
  • It doesn’t ding when you hit balls, bang up against furniture, or drop it on a hard and dirty floor.
  • It doesn’t have any wood grain that might be visually distracting.

Pro Billiard Series - Las Vegas Men's Open 10ball live now

Yes, no doubt JF played great in the final BUT i would not put too much stock in the results from this format. I like it for the brevity and excitement but as far as determining the best player not so much. I'd love to see these two play 3/5 or 4/7 races to 15/20. Not a fan of one big set. Filler's precision(shooting and safeties) IS alien-like when he's in hi-gear.
You will not beat Filler in most short set races. Has to be a long race to see if he will break down mentally/stamina.

Max Eberle on people who play on barboxes "Pool players need to grow some balls"

Yes sir very true. In 1970 I was hustling in Honolulu on Shit Street.
Actually named N. Hotel St. it was the red light district of Honolulu then.

Had a wonderful chat with Rodney Morris about it. He had heard stories like mine before and would have loved to be there then.

Played on barboxes against servicemen from Viet Nam on R&R.
It was all good fun playing for a few bucks a game once it got up to five bucks a game it got real.

I was the skinny hippie kid they couldn’t beat. Lots of fun and able to make a quick couple hundred a day. Split with the bar 50/50 it was a win win.

The service guys had fun, the bar made money, I made money and no
one got hurt I ever saw..

Back then everyone had money to burn, good times!!!

Bar boxes are not for me as far as playing pool goes and for pro level players it’s almost a joke, a sad one at that…
Why can't both tables be acceptable in the game of pool? To me they both pose situations that are easier for me and harder for me. Trying to work the cue ball around the table in a delicate fashion is more demanding of a 7 ft table as opposed to a 9-ft table where there is more open space. Although, shots are more difficult because of their length and pocket size on 9 ft tables. They both offer pluses and minuses that are good for your game. Although, if I had my choice, I would play my league play on 9-ft tables. If you want to make delicate shots more necessary on 9 ft tables, play one pocket.

Deflection question, explain how a stiffer CF shaft has less deflection.

So I think there's a lot of confusion about the benefits of low deflection technology and in what ways it benefits you.

The most common misconception I think is that it becomes easier to adjust for side spin. Nope, not true. It's not easier. Learning how BHE and FHE works is the best way to compensate for squirt and it's just as easy with a high deflection shaft as a low deflection shaft.

The true benefit comes with the consistency because of the minimized squirt/CB deflection. Any time you're having to adjust less for something, the consistency will be higher.

Another misconception is that you don't have to adjust, you just aim like you're trying to make the ball. It can seem like this is the case but it's not. The natural pivot point is pushed back (in some cases, WAY back) but it's still there.

One thing you'll notice if you compare modern players to players from the past is where they bridge and where they hold the cue.

Traditionally it was taught to bridge 8-10 inches away from making cb contact. I REALLY think that this was because that is where a standard maple shaft's natural pivot point lies. I don't know that they were aware of it, but bridging at the shaft's natural pivot point allows for stroke flaws and deviations to really not affect making the shot as much (it does still affect the expected position though). That's one reason why many players can make shots but are always confused that the cb doesn't end up where they expect. It's due to stroke flaws that they aren't aware of or haven't addressed but since they bridge where they're supposed, they still make the shot.

Modern players bridge 14-16 inches, typically, and wouldn't you know it, that's where the natural pivot point on modern ld tech tends to be, and they grip farther back on the butt which allows for the pushed back bridge while still maintaining close to 90 degrees of elbow bend at poc.

Good post. For those interested, I cover this stuff and more here:


I also summarize all the advantages and disadvantages of LD shafts here:

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