Inferno said:

Please explain?
I want to hear an ignorant response so I can laugh.

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Reread your post

Kim Bye said:

It's there to spread the impact forces. It's a pretty common design, Predator aren't the only ones using that design. OB shafts used a similar pad and many CF shafts with very short ferrules uses a pad to spread the load and also dampen vibrations.

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Does the added information and pictures clear this up some?

jasonlaus said:

You just outed yourself

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Please explain?
I want to hear an ignorant response so I can laugh.

are you talking about mike? i’ve watched him give a lesson to somebody on 2 and 3 rail banks. He hit every single one of them.

whenever ive played one pocket with guys above my speed i just do my best to not leave them anything ever. i figure the only advantage i have is that i can MAYBE be more patient than them and just wait for their mistake to happen before mine.

this is tough to do until you get trapped a bunch of times and learn not to leave the guy that easy of an escape again. anybody proficient at thinning the bottom of the stack and leaving you welded to it, for instance, cannot be left that opportunity, which takes away a lot of easy returns, including takeouts.

obviously im not in a position to give you advice but we played once a long time ago and i know how dangerous you can be.

if it is mike, just try to stay aware of those 2 and 3 railers knowing full well that he will fire at them when it is safe to

Kim Bye said:

It's there to spread the impact forces. It's a pretty common design, Predator aren't the only ones using that design. OB shafts used a similar pad and many CF shafts with very short ferrules uses a pad to spread the load and also dampen vibrations.

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Yes - I “shattered” 2 OB cue shafts, resulting in the switch to Predator. That’s why this is so important to me.

Bob Jewett said:

The question is ambiguous. If you want maximum spin relative to speed as the ball leaves the tip, hit the cue ball as far off-center as you can.

If you want max side spin relative to speed after the cue ball has acquired normal roll, hit at 4:30 or 7:30 and as far from center as you can without miscuing.

"How high or low" means nothing without more context.

If you really want maximum backspin, elevate to near 90 degrees. The cue ball will come back to you without hitting a ball.

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Yeah, I guess I didn't frame them as two different questions.

My main question was this:

Should one be finishing with the tip on the table for maximum, or even moderate follow?

Kim Bye said:

Just post a picture.
Samsara tips can pop off if they aren't prepped right.
You are using very confusing language, that doesn't help.
Predator shafts isn't more difficult to work on than any other brands, granted you know what you are doing.

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garczar said:

One last thing: if we're talking about a wood BK2 shaft that plate is just called a 'tip plate', never heard 'boilerplate' used in regards to these shafts. Should not be hard to fix.

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Sorry - It “functions” like a boilerplate according to their website.

Kim Bye said:

Just post a picture.
Samsara tips can pop off if they aren't prepped right.
You are using very confusing language, that doesn't help.
Predator shafts isn't more difficult to work on than any other brands, granted you know what you are doing.

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Kjackxon said:

Now we’re on the same page. The cue technician couldn’t understand why it was there.

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It's there to spread the impact forces. It's a pretty common design, Predator aren't the only ones using that design. OB shafts used a similar pad and many CF shafts with very short ferrules uses a pad to spread the load and also dampen vibrations.

Inferno said:

Yes, bigots and crybabies are often one in the same.

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You just outed yourself

Kjackxon said:

Sorry - it’s called the “vault plate.”

https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/what-is-the-predator-vault-plate-v-tek-pad.509192/

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That’s the feedback that I’d gotten from the tech. It made me a bit uncomfortable. Hey - The tip came off and exposed the dirt. Anyone knows how seeing a tip fly off during a match can be.

Rusty in Montana said:

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That IS funny

Kim Bye said:

"The tip technology with the phenolic tip and carbon fiber plate, provides maximum energy transfer for a wood shaft"
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Now we’re on the same page. The cue technician couldn’t understand why it was there.

garczar said:

One last thing: if we're talking about a wood BK2 shaft that plate is just called a 'tip plate', never heard 'boilerplate' used in regards to these shafts. Should not be hard to fix.

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Sorry - it’s called the “vault plate.”