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Just when I thot I'd seen it all...

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so they cant improve without buying the latest equipment. news to me.

anything over the basic equipment is all you need to reach pro speed. if you have the talent and the right eye hand coordination and drive.

just to get decent it is all about playing time, and some thinking.

all the past greatest only had a cue stick. no videos, no doc dave, no worthwhile instructions, just pool room equipment.
played with shafts, tips, high deflection everything. and still would play at the top speed as those now.

only the very few top players now might be better than the ones of the past.

think efren, lassiter, segal etc.
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Why don't more bars lease Diamond pool tables?

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vintagecollectibles831 said:
When I lived in Evansville IN, it seemed like every single bar in the city had Diamond tables.

Here in Austin TX, it is all Valley tables, with Nasty old Mud Cue balls, in my experience.

Maybe it is just me, but I just can't enjoy playing pool at all, using a Mud cue ball, and I understand that they are varying degrees of bad, with them.

I randomly found this bar in Downtown Austin, which was a really nice and very classic looking bar, and they had a nice line of 5 Valley coin op tables. All with nasty old Mud cue balls on them.

I tried playing / hitting some balls on one of them, and it was just so horrible. I could not even finish, it was so un enjoyable.

I believe that Diamond offers a free lease on coin op tables, for half of the profit, from what I read somewhere a long time ago. Not sure if that is still the case though.

Don't you think that a lot more players would visit a bar if it offered Diamonds, or at least Valley's with a decent set of balls?

And, why is it that most Valley coin op tables usually have these nasty old mud balls, that look like they are maybe 30 years old?

The funny thing is, that the pool scene in Austin is very lively. People just love to play pool here. There are always people on all of the pool tables.

Back in Evansville, where it seemed like every bar had a Diamond, they were always empty, and I rarely ever seen anyone playing on them, other then at the real pool halls.

So, maybe the type of table would not even matter, in these bars. The banger's will enjoy playing on them no matter what.
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I usually try to read through a whole thread before I post, but did this time, so forgive me if it's been mentioned.

I used to see Valley tables in bars which had a vendor sticker on them--as in like a vending machine company. So, my thought was that the tables were rented or leased from such a company, and Valley/Dynamo has simply provided tables for that industry, and it's those companies which then provided the tables to the bars.

No real evidence, just conjecture.
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Shaw vs. Doung Quoc Hoang

jasonlaus
DieselPete said:
Is there a chance that both players were paid an equal appearance fee and that the amount they were playing for ($15k) was a fraction of that, or some such situation that Shaw was willing to give up winning to get the heck out of there?

Hard to imagine they played for four days for "only" 15K when we see so many guys that are borderline pros playing for far more in sets that last one or two days.
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Money and skill have no bearing on one another
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Cue pivot SOTW alternative?

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Bob Jewett said:
The ratio of the two distances along the banking cushion is the same as the ratio of distances from the cushion, because of the similar triangles involved. So:

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I should have thought of the similar triangles part, but I was focused on what the change would be in 'a', as 'A' decreases, but 'ab' stays the same. I'm going to have to throw some values in a spreadsheet. :unsure:
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Shaw vs. Doung Quoc Hoang

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Is there a chance that both players were paid an equal appearance fee and that the amount they were playing for ($15k) was a fraction of that, or some such situation that Shaw was willing to give up winning to get the heck out of there?

Hard to imagine they played for four days for "only" 15K when we see so many guys that are borderline pros playing for far more in sets that last one or two days.
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Shaw vs. Doung Quoc Hoang

mr3cushion
jay helfert said:
I did not predict a "large contingent" of world champion players who would dominate our sport. What I do predict is a few top speed players who can compete with the other champions in a similar way as Hoang. From this group perhaps one or two will emerge as special, like the Ko brothers.
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Jay, not sure you're aware of this but in the last 6-8 years several Vietmanese 3C players have emerged qickly & high in the World rankings!

They are Very much 'Systematic' players, a few play very good position and fighters to end!
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The new U S. pro pool tour

TwistedTexasStyle
Bob Jewett said:
The APA is a business. They cater to players who average an APA 4-5 skill level. They do sponsor top players for events, such as exhibitions. I think Earl did some and Jeanette Lee and Fedor certainly have. But their main goal is to make a profit and evidently they don't see a way to do that with pro events.

I don't think it's the prize money that brings the APA players to Las Vegas. I think there are over 10k players now at the APA national events and the CSI combined events in March bring in about 13,000 bodies. On average, it's a moderately expensive vacation.

I think it would be great if US league pool did support a pro tour, but beyond CSI hosting the PBS events in March, I don't see it happening. If each league player in the US paid $5 per year towards a pro tour, that would be over $3 million. If a million came out for production costs of a tour, that still leaves two million for added money. It's not going to happen because that money would effectively be coming out of the pockets of the league businesses.
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I went to the BadBoys Texas Bar Table Championships in Temple, Texas on my way home from the US Open in Frisco. It struck me I did not see any advertising for any pro events. A poster or banner for the Texas Open might of been a cheap way to draw some people down to Round Rock less than an hour away and happening at the same time. The same for the Mosconi Cup and Reyes Cup, seems like a good way to support local players while drawing attention to WNT-TV. I view barboxes as an entry point and not as a threat to professional pool. Event sponsorships start at $350 and hits right on the target audience(people who love pool). It was a true family event including young kids competing hard and growing the love of the sport. The 42 Diamond tables for a full week at the convention center suggest a lot players. I guess Matchroom has bigger fish to fry and a lot of other avenues to get their message out.
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