Shawn Armstrong said:
John Barton, then John Collins, lost a grudge match against Jim. Basically, Jim called John out on his frequent posts saying his cases were better than Jack Justis'. The two agreed to a match up - can't remember the details, but payment was as follows: loser had to put a certain tag line in their signature on RSB. John lost, and the tag line he was supposed to put had something to do with Justis cases being better than Instroke. John weaseled out on the bet, in the fact that he did what he was supposed to, but reworded it and used super-small font. You can bet if Jimbo lost, he would have paid up right.
John was a different guy back then, but DO take what he says regarding Jim with a grain of salt, because there is a past between the two.
John was the same guy back then. I didn't reword anything. I put the tag line in in normal font size.
It is all there on RSB for anyone to look up. After a lot of arguing about the terms of the bet and how it all went down I decided that I had had enough and voided the payment. The primary reason that I voided the payment is because I bet something that wasn't mine to bet, my friend's name. My friend, SUPER CASE MAKER Chas Clements, told me that he was cool with it AFTER he saw what had happened and he was - being the cool guy he is. But by then I had had enough and voided the payment.
And this is a perfect illustration of what I mean about Jim Brennan. What led up to this match was that I had made the mistake of defending Chas, a new poster on RSB who became a Jimbo target. I say mistake because that led to Jimbo turning his scathing remarks towards me. Suddenly, the person who was my customer and friend turned on me and I responded in kind - takes two to tango as they say. And that is the "history" between us.
As I said to Pharaoh, Shawn, what have I written that is not true? Just because I have a history with Jim, which I referred to in my first post, does not change the facts of his own character and history here.
When Jim came to AZ Billiards I had ZERO interaction with him. NONE. You won't find a single post where Jim and I interact and probably not a single thread that he and I posted in. So despite the fact that you would like to have others disregard my words concerning Jimbo and what led up to him starting his own forum it was Jimbo himself who was banned/left because he WAS NOT ALLOWED to be the same type of poster here as he was in RSB. I have not said that Jim was right or wrong concerning the point he was making, as always it is his delivery and how he gets that point across.
Now Jim has a place where he IS ALLOWED to say whatever he wants to. But not surprisingly it's hard to be able to insult people when all the people around you agree with you. And when you NEED members to "compete" with the place you left you end up holding your tongue more.
Now Jim will say that he is only telling the "truth" and that I am just a "salesman" and therefore nothing I write has any credibility. Well, the proof is in the posts. Here at AZ Billiards the majority of posts are about billiards without any mention of other message boards. There the majority of posts are about NPR, non-pool-related, with an anti-AZ stance even as they take content in the form of reposting AZ threads there.
It's a clique. Jimbo doesn't want it to be but in the end that is what it is.
