Hall of Fame for Parica

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DrawtheRock

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Is it just me or does anybody else think it is just flat out wrong for Jose Parica not to be in the Hall of Fame (even the one pocket). He is by far a better player than several people who have made it, and was possibly the top money player for 15yrs or more. Why isnt he considered? Because of lack of major title wins? I would think that given the fact that he was spotting some of the players that won majors and robbing them (or being completed avoided by them in money games) that his level of play would make him an easy choice. Even in the one pocket hall of fame, where you can get in without consistently winning the major tournaments and can get in because you are a good hustler (and arent even the best player)..you would think he would be in.

Jay..you called him one of the best for the cheese... which player in the past 25 years would you put against him (when he was in his prime) for a 15 ahead set of nine ball for 25k?

What is preventing him from getting in?

Comments?
 
DrawtheRock said:
Is it just me or does anybody else think it is just flat out wrong for Jose Parica not to be in the Hall of Fame (even the one pocket). He is by far a better player than several people who have made it, and was possibly the top money player for 15yrs or more. Why isnt he considered? Because of lack of major title wins? I would think that given the fact that he was spotting some of the players that won majors and robbing them (or being completed avoided by them in money games) that his level of play would make him an easy choice. Even in the one pocket hall of fame, where you can get in without consistently winning the major tournaments and can get in because you are a good hustler (and arent even the best player)..you would think he would be in.

Jay..you called him one of the best for the cheese... which player in the past 25 years would you put against him (when he was in his prime) for a 15 ahead set of nine ball for 25k?

What is preventing him from getting in?

Comments?
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NONE, ZERO, and NADA! I hope that answers your question.
By the way, I am on the committee that votes for the HOF and I vote for Parica every year, and always will. But it takes three quarters of the votes to get in and I only have one vote. I have publicly stated that I will vote for Parica every year until he gets in.
 
Thats good to know Jay.

Any ideas why the other voters dont consider him one of the best?

Also, Terry and some of the other members..what are your thoughts around this?
 
Copied from the BCA website:
"The Greatest Player category shall be reserved for outstanding players who have been active in national or international competition for at least 20 years and have won at least one national or international championship."

I think he's got the bases covered. He's won lots of tournaments and been around way longer than 20 years. I hope to see him enshrined soon. He has earned it.
 
Parica should be in the HOF. So should Grady Mathews, Ronnie Allen, and Keith McCready. My guess is that Johnny Archer will get in soon (rightfully so), along with Jeanette and Allison being inducted as well. There are many other great players that will be eligible for induction soon (Ortmann, Souquet, Bustamante) and IMO every one of them deserves the honor, and I would hope that other players that deserve the honor of induction (like Jose Parica) won't get lost in the shuffle.
 
I watched him at the Desert Shootout...

jay helfert said:
NONE, ZERO, and NADA! I hope that answers your question.
By the way, I am on the committee that votes for the HOF and I vote for Parica every year, and always will. But it takes three quarters of the votes to get in and I only have one vote. I have publicly stated that I will vote for Parica every year until he gets in.
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this year........ and I was in AWE of the way owns the rock. Exact cue ball paths and exact position. He showed me exponentially the simple vision I see....... kind of like watching a sweet pool dream... only in real life!:yeah:

Hope he gets his recognition, and that they allow for more inductees each year. There's just too much talent and history to ignore it. JMO

td
 
DrawtheRock said:
Even in the one pocket hall of fame, where you can get in without consistently winning the major tournaments and can get in because you are a good hustler (and arent even the best player)..you would think he would be in.
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I think Parica will be inducted into the One Pocket HOF pretty soon. Now the BCA HOF is another story. The last thing that the BCA wants to do is put hustling and gambling in the spotlight. They want to make pool look like a wholesome game, that doesn't have a long history of gambling attached to it. The One Pocket HOF seems to take a more realistic approch to the selecting of who makes their HOF. Of course Parica may be a better player then some of the people who get in, but they probably have more major titles then him. He has won his share of tournaments and has been a threat for a very long time, but the BCA seems to look at major(world title, U.S. Open, etc.) titles more then anything else(in the greatest player category). Hopefully he gets in, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if they don't elect him soon.

Same thing with Keith. He may have been spotting the world the 8, but the BCA is going to look at major tournament wins. The list goes on and on for players who should or could be in the BCA HOF, but probably won't make it, because they focused on things other then winning tournaments.
 
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I think we should be looking back towards older players before we look at younger ones like Archer, Souqet or Bustamante.

I agree that Parica has been overlooked. Also, what about Jersey Red or Danny Diliberto. Howabout Jerome Keoh the inventor of 14.1. Cyrille Dion, the first ever World Pool Champion (to be fair it was called the national championship, but it is understood as part of the lineage or world champions), he also won the billiards title as well.

There are lots of younger guys who deserve to be inducted, but lets honor some of the old timers who are just as deserving before they pass away.
 
Look how long it took for them to induct Allen Hopkins into the Hall of Fame. He was so much more worthy than MANY, MANY, MANY of those who were inducted ahead of him.

IMHO, the Hall of Fame inductees get in based on who sells the most product for industry members, who's friends with who, and who makes the most phone calls. It's a goold old boys' club mentality. There are some Hall of Famers that I personally don't believe belong there, but they must have friends in high places. Some voting members trying to control the whole voting process and sometimes are successful in doing so.

That said, the BCA Hall of Fame selection process seems like it is done behind closed doors. It is not transparent. I was told by a reliable source, a voting member, if you will, that years ago, the person inducted into the BCA Hall of Fame was done so by a chorus of ayes on the telephone. There was no vote count at that time, and none of the voting members knew who voted for who.

I understand why it is an honor for older pool champions to want to have a little recognition in this pool world. Maybe the Hall of Fame brings some joy in the autumn of their lives.

Parica will get in. The squeaky wheel sometimes does get greased, but I don't think Jose is losing any sleep over it. ;)
 
I started a thread on this very topic a year ago, and the truth becomes ever more glaring with each passing year:

1pocket said:
I've come to the conclusion that there is really just one reason Jose doesn't get the respect he deserves:
Other players are measured against the world, while Parica is measured alone against Reyes.

Ironically, head-to-head, Parica has done well against Reyes, at the table. The only real war against Reyes he has lost is the charisma contest.

Hasn't he won enough over the last 20+ years to warrant inclusion in the BCA Hall of Fame? He's nearly 60 now, and still a threat to win any event, in nearly any disciple! Who, besides Reyes, has a better all around career record among potential HOF candidates? I can't come up with anybody.

Jose is called (and rightly so) the leader of the Philipine invasion, yet he doesn't seem to even get any credit for such a valued role in opening up the world to American Pool. How much richer is our sport because of all these great international players that have followed Jose??

I sure don't mean this post as a knock on Reyes, because he is absolutely my favorite player of all time, and like I said, other-worldly. His place is secure.

But let's not overlook the little giant, Jose Amang Parica...
He needs no excuses to qualify for the HOF -- just measure him against all the rest!!
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Parica would be in the HOF if I had a voice in the matter. He was the First GREAT PLAYER from PI to make his mark in the Pool World.
 
All HOF members need to do is look at Jose's record of wins in nine ball and one pocket. He might be shadowed by Efren and has always played second fiddle, in a way, though.

On a side note, I was lucky enough to have both Jose and Efren playing in the finals of one of my nine ball tourneys 9 years ago or so. Efren had to beat Jose twice in a race to nine.

Efren ran seven racks in the first set, but Jose was playing too good and won the second set going away. I felt lucky having two legends play the finals of a small tournament like mine.

I think the HOF has to base admittance on tournament play instead of money play, though. Just my opinion.

Danny
 
JAM said:
Look how long it took for them to induct Allen Hopkins into the Hall of Fame. He was so much more worthy than MANY, MANY, MANY of those who were inducted ahead of him.

IMHO, the Hall of Fame inductees get in based on who sells the most product for industry members, who's friends with who, and who makes the most phone calls. It's a goold old boys' club mentality. There are some Hall of Famers that I personally don't believe belong there, but they must have friends in high places. Some voting members trying to control the whole voting process and sometimes are successful in doing so.

That said, the BCA Hall of Fame selection process seems like it is done behind closed doors. It is not transparent. I was told by a reliable source, a voting member, if you will, that years ago, the person inducted into the BCA Hall of Fame was done so by a chorus of ayes on the telephone. There was no vote count at that time, and none of the voting members knew who voted for who.

I understand why it is an honor for older pool champions to want to have a little recognition in this pool world. Maybe the Hall of Fame brings some joy in the autumn of their lives.

Parica will get in. The squeaky wheel sometimes does get greased, but I don't think Jose is losing any sleep over it. ;)
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I know it's Jan 1st, but this might be the post of the year! :)

well said JAM!
 
Gerry said:
I know it's Jan 1st, but this might be the post of the year! :)

well said JAM!
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Ain't it the truth. It still goes on today. It's all in who you know, and some "voting members," if I may call them that, are in control of who gets in. In fact, it is quite sad.

With the BCA organization having financial difficulties, there may not be a BCA Hall of Fame inducted in this year. Usually, the announcements are made right about now in January. I haven't heard a peep.
 
Here's a cute shot of the Old Guard and the New Guard! :wink:
 

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I think Parica will be inducted into the One Pocket HOF pretty soon. Now the BCA HOF is another story. The last thing that the BCA wants to do is put hustling and gambling in the spotlight. They want to make pool look like a wholesome game, that doesn't have a long history of gambling attached to it. The One Pocket HOF seems to take a more realistic approch to the selecting of who makes their HOF. Of course Parica may be a better player then some of the people who get in, but they probably have more major titles then him. He has won his share of tournaments and has been a threat for a very long time, but the BCA seems to look at major(world title, U.S. Open, etc.) titles more then anything else(in the greatest player category). Hopefully he gets in, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if they don't elect him soon.

Same thing with Keith. He may have been spotting the world the 8, but the BCA is going to look at major tournament wins. The list goes on and on for players who should or could be in the BCA HOF, but probably won't make it, because they focused on things other then winning tournaments.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Parica

Over 100 tournament victories.

Just look at his tournament record. How in the world anyone could pick Jeanette Lee's record over Jose's must be mesmerized by Lee's slit dresses she wears.
 
Amomg non-inductees, the most complete playing resume of the nine ball era belongs to Ralf Souquet. When it comes to competing against the most elite international fields ---

Ral Souquet has won the World 8-ball championship
Ralf Souquet has won the World 9-Ball Championship
Ralf Souquet has won the Sands Regency 9-ball Championship
Ralf Souquet has won the US Open 9-ball Championship
Ralf Souquet has won the US Open 14.1 Championship
Ralf Souquet has won the BCA Open 9-ball Championship
Ralf Souquet has won the Derby City Classic 9-ball Championship

Multiple Eurotour wins and Mosconi Cup wins are also present on Souquet's playing resume.

Until the inevitable happened, the BCA Hall of Fame lacked credibility with me because of Earl Strickland's absence. Now, it lacks credibility with me because of Ralf Souquet's absence. Archer and Souquet have, by far, the strongest cases among non-inductees, are are the next guys that ought to get in.

Parica and Bustamante have much weaker cases than Souquet and Archer, but are good enough to merit serious consideration. Of course, I could care less what they accomplished as gamblers. That shouldn't count for anything in the eyes of this pool fan.
 
Jose should be in the HOF this year. He's always been a top player and a threat to win any tournament he enters. I don't know how they go about picking the inductees, but Jose has been passed over too many times.

James
 
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