Advice?

Andrew Henson

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I have been plying pool for a little over a year now. I play in APA league 8 ball and 9 ball. I like the games but i like straight pool more. My skill level makes it hard for me to enjoy playing as 14.1 is much more challenging.
My high run is 10-12 balls. My shotmaking ability is not the greatest. I have watched several DVDs and play often. I think 14.1 will make me a stronger player in the other games, any advice as to proceed? My weaknessess are many, concentration, staying down on shots, letting the cue ball loose too often. this is my 1st post so i'm new
 
I have been plying pool for a little over a year now. I play in APA league 8 ball and 9 ball. I like the games but i like straight pool more. My skill level makes it hard for me to enjoy playing as 14.1 is much more challenging.
My high run is 10-12 balls. My shotmaking ability is not the greatest. I have watched several DVDs and play often. I think 14.1 will make me a stronger player in the other games, any advice as to proceed? My weaknessess are many, concentration, staying down on shots, letting the cue ball loose too often. this is my 1st post so i'm new

Hi Andrew, welcome to the straight pool forum! You are correct that 14.1 will improve your game in relation to all games.

My advice to you would be to pay strict attention to your cue ball control. Take the tip of your cue and put it on the table where you want the cue ball to end up for your next shot and take a mental note of it, keep that exact spot in your mind while executing your shot. Playing area position like you would in 9 ball will not cut it in 14.1.

But keep in mind that 14.1 is much more than shotmaking and cue ball control. Learning proper patterns is a must.

Best of luck and keep working on it, as it will come to you. 10-12 ball runs are pretty good for a beginner!

Kev
 
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I'm not pro enough to give much advice but do what selftaut suggested.

If I could put it in a nutshell what makes good 14.1 it's just to focus completely. When I finish a good run (for me that's 30's) I feel mentally drenched in sweat because I thought hard on what's the correct shot out of all the available ones, and then thought hard on what leave I really wanted, and then really bore down and tried to place the cue tip exactly right and with the right speed to make that leave happen. When it works it feels really good but also draining.

Set up the standard comfortable breakshot (ball near the left or right side of the rack, not too high or too low, and place the cue ball so that it's a comfortable reach and a cut you feel confident on. Then break and see how many you can run. The instant you miss, rerack and start again at 0. Reracking is a chore and you might be tempted to give up on this drill just because it's tiresome. But I feel this makes you really focus on playing carefully and keeping the run alive, rather than coming to accept misses and just keep shooting. You're looking to play perfect pool rather than end up with "roll 'em out and start firing" practice session. I've heard players say something like "I ran 25, except for one miss in the first rack." That's not a run of 25 :P

What's nice about this is that if even if you don't get much of a run and must rerack ever few minutes... at least you'll get to keep practicing that basic break shot until it's locked in.
 
I have been plying pool for a little over a year now. I play in APA league 8 ball and 9 ball. I like the games but i like straight pool more. My skill level makes it hard for me to enjoy playing as 14.1 is much more challenging.
My high run is 10-12 balls. My shotmaking ability is not the greatest. I have watched several DVDs and play often. I think 14.1 will make me a stronger player in the other games, any advice as to proceed? My weaknessess are many, concentration, staying down on shots, letting the cue ball loose too often. this is my 1st post so i'm new

Spread all the balls across the table with no clusters. Try to run the table and then set them up again and keep going. It's a very simplistic excercise, but you can get in the groove of running balls.

The trick is play the table in one section at a time, work from the bottom on up.
 
Ya it gets a little frustrating when you just make a few and then are done. I practice a ton by myself. Sometimes I end up just banging racks rather than focused practice. I like the tight spots you get into as it makes me see 8 ball totally different. I thought about buying the PAT drills. I know my shotmaking is poor and inconsistent. I do have the goal of being a respectable player, I have an 8 footer at home so I can play alot. Any drill or instructional advice? I have Dr Cue's and the Australian Oyster dvds
 
Ya it gets a little frustrating when you just make a few and then are done. I practice a ton by myself. Sometimes I end up just banging racks rather than focused practice. I like the tight spots you get into as it makes me see 8 ball totally different. I thought about buying the PAT drills. I know my shotmaking is poor and inconsistent. I do have the goal of being a respectable player, I have an 8 footer at home so I can play alot. Any drill or instructional advice? I have Dr Cue's and the Australian Oyster dvds

Here is a little something you can do that should help.

Take a ball and set it in a breakball position on the table. Next take 6 or 7 other balls and randomly toss them out on the table, but not to disturb the breakball you set in position. Now, pick your setup ball ( the ball to get you on the keyball) , next pick your keyball (the ball that gets you on the breakball). Now study the table very closely and choose a pattern that will get you onto those last 3 balls in order. To start the run take Ball-In-Hand anywhere on the table and start the run. This over time will teach you patterns, make mental notes of obvious mistakes in your patterns.
 
So my game is steadily improving. It's really fun when you realize you are making a jump up. I ran my first rack of nine ball. I almost break and run in 8 ball a lot but miss the last ball... it's coming. I play what they call 6 pocket. I break and see how many I can run. The other night I got a full rack (15) and then 8-10 on the next. My game is coming along I just want it quick. This is the end of my second year playing so if I step back I am proud of my progress.
I struggle with clusters and playing simple position instead of forcing the cue ball around. I do love the game!
 
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I struggle with clusters and playing simple position instead of forcing the cue ball around. I do love the game!


Hi Andrew, welcome to the 14.1 forum. Something you said in that statement actually hits the nail on the head. The key to 14.1 (besides a nice touch with shotmaking and positioning the cue ball) is to NOT force the cue ball around.

Rather ... study and find the patterns that allow for the natural carom angle of the cue ball from the shot to break the clusters and place the cue ball for the next shot.

The more you play, the more obvious the sequences of shots become to you and the more natural the patterns are that allow you to connect the dots in a normal fashion without forcing the cue ball around the table.

Try to find your break shot for the next rack as early as possible, leave a secondary option available if possible. Find your keyball to land on your breakshot early, and find a ball to get to your keyball. Then work on clearing balls from around those balls using the natural angles of the shots and not forcing the cue.
 
Welcome to the World of 14.1

I have been plying pool for a little over a year now. I play in APA league 8 ball and 9 ball. I like the games but i like straight pool more. My skill level makes it hard for me to enjoy playing as 14.1 is much more challenging.
My high run is 10-12 balls. My shotmaking ability is not the greatest. I have watched several DVDs and play often. I think 14.1 will make me a stronger player in the other games, any advice as to proceed? My weaknessess are many, concentration, staying down on shots, letting the cue ball loose too often. this is my 1st post so i'm new


Andrew: Welcome to the World of 14.1 You made a great choice. 14.1 is the best game to learn how to play all the others and you will become a better player b/c of it. (Skill & Knowledge).
All the advice above is right on, so there is not much more that I can add without repeating the same info. Just remember that you are at the same place in your learning as we all were at one time. Stick with it and you will become better & better. Do try to play with players who have knowledge and learn from them.
Good luck & let us all know how your progess turns out.
 
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Welcome aboard my friend......

There is not much more i can say, because the best advice has already been given.

all i can say and repeat is once you find the breakshot, and shoot it remember one thing. The ball that you are shooting is most important, dont let the rack of balls that is sitting there shark you.
As long as you are on the right side of the shot that will allow you to naturally break the rack, just shoot the shot !

once you get more comfortable with break shots and start developing a better cue-ball you can start figuring where you are gonna hit the stack and how to get position [middle of the table] off that break shot...

Just pay attention to the cue-ball on all shots, wheather you get where you want or not. and store that shot into your muscle memory, so the next time it comes up and they always do you can just pull it from your muscle memory bank !!!!!!

Try not to run into balls that already have a pocket, and when you do have to run into balls try not to do so if you dont have a vyable insurance shot {A Deffinate shot) after crashing into them. Ussually one that is not part of the cluster but is in the area so you can play it.
This doesnt mean that you have to die with the insurance ball, but it will definatly be available when you crash into the problem. { i owe that advice to Danny DiLiberto} one of the many things i learned from watching Accu-stats 14.1 matches !!!!

I recomend you pick up a few things:

*Books*
- Phil Capelle - Play Your Best Straight Pool
- Ray Martin - 99 critical shots in pool

*Videos*
Jim Rempe - How to run a rack & how to run 100 balls
John Shmidt - How I Run 100s
Danny Harriman - 280 ball run


Good luck & Welcome aboard !
Steve
 
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I'm not pro enough to give much advice but do what selftaut suggested.

If I could put it in a nutshell what makes good 14.1 it's just to focus completely. When I finish a good run (for me that's 30's) I feel mentally drenched in sweat because I thought hard on what's the correct shot out of all the available ones, and then thought hard on what leave I really wanted, and then really bore down and tried to place the cue tip exactly right and with the right speed to make that leave happen. When it works it feels really good but also draining.

Set up the standard comfortable breakshot (ball near the left or right side of the rack, not too high or too low, and place the cue ball so that it's a comfortable reach and a cut you feel confident on. Then break and see how many you can run. The instant you miss, rerack and start again at 0. Reracking is a chore and you might be tempted to give up on this drill just because it's tiresome. But I feel this makes you really focus on playing carefully and keeping the run alive, rather than coming to accept misses and just keep shooting. You're looking to play perfect pool rather than end up with "roll 'em out and start firing" practice session. I've heard players say something like "I ran 25, except for one miss in the first rack." That's not a run of 25 :P

What's nice about this is that if even if you don't get much of a run and must rerack ever few minutes... at least you'll get to keep practicing that basic break shot until it's locked in.

I would add to this:
Moving your break ball around the rack to start.
Going into the rack does not have to be done at warp speed.
Get balls off the rails early.
Try and leave position on more than one ball.
It is amazing how soft you can hit into clusters. you don't have to send balls all over the table.
Accuracy is more important than power.

See if there are any straight pool leagues in your area, it's a great way to learn and have fun.

Andy
 
Try to play with and watch experienced players. Become a consistent shooter by practicing your weak shots. I personally practiced every shot in the 99 critical shots by Ray Martin when I was learning - 20 plus years ago. Make sure you are concentrating your hardest for at least a half hour of your practice sesions and not just banging balls around. Being able to concentrate is a skill you must practice as well and the more you practice the longer you will be able to maintain your concentration and extend your long runs.

If you can break out trouble clusters early in the rack and make balls that are blocking the paths of other balls early. Enjoy the process!
 
I have been plying pool for a little over a year now. I play in APA league 8 ball and 9 ball. I like the games but i like straight pool more. My skill level makes it hard for me to enjoy playing as 14.1 is much more challenging.
My high run is 10-12 balls. My shotmaking ability is not the greatest. I have watched several DVDs and play often. I think 14.1 will make me a stronger player in the other games, any advice as to proceed? My weaknessess are many, concentration, staying down on shots, letting the cue ball loose too often. this is my 1st post so i'm new


One of the great things about straight pool as a learning tool is that, after a while, if you're paying attention, you will begin to see patterns emerge.

Now, I'm not talking about the patterns everyone usually talks about when discussing 14.1. I'm talking about the patterns in your own individual play. Given several multi-hour practice sessions you should see that you are missing the same shots, in the same way. Often a bit more difficult to see, but there nonetheless, are patterns that will also emerge that reveal problems in your positional play. Ferinstance, at a very basic level, the straight back draw shot, often through traffic (other balls), is a bread and butter 14.1 shot. What novices should quickly see and learn is how important it is to draw the ball absolutely straight back. A little to the right or left is not acceptable. And so, if you see this in your play, you should be stopping and working on that. But here's the thing: it's not a matter so much of setting a shot like that up and shooting it over and over again until it comes out the way you want -- it's much more a matter of setting the shot up and figuring out why it's going sideways. Here's where you can really make some progress: ironing out what in your stroke, alignment, head position, grip, bridge, footwork, is causing you to shoot the shot wrong.

And so, through these patterns, 14.1 can be instrumental in teaching you what to work on, if you're willing to listen. Here's something I wrote on this a few years back:

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> My 2 cents:
>
> I think the answer is to try and look at these misses in a totally different
> light -- after all, they're whispering something to you. When you miss an
> easy one, don't get all pissy about the fact that you missed, instead:
> "listen" closely.
>
> That "something" you might hear is the game telling you that you don't know the
> shot as well as you thought you did, and/or, that you have a flaw in your
> mechanics that has just manifested itself. Unless it's just one of those
> days when I'm pounding everything into the rail (and I don't play 3C) I like
> to look at these misses as signposts the game has laid out for me as I
> putter along, trying to figure out my way to the top of the mountain. In
> other words, these misses are the game's way of quietly telling me what I
> need to work on so that eventually, I'll have the tools and skills to make
> it further up the peak.
>
> When you blow a hanger, try and remember it. Not only the shot setup, but
> what position you were trying to play and whether you over-cut or undercut
> the shot. It's also worth remembering where the cue ball ended up and
> whether or not "you got there." Afterwards, set the shot up and practice it.
> Usually, what I've found when I miss an easy one, is that the position play
> I was trying to achieve had something to do with the miss. Maybe I was
> unsure how the cue ball would react, or I was uncomfortable shooting the
> shot at that particular speed, or the cue ball may have been in a spot that
> required making a bridge that I don't use frequently. Or it could be
> something else. Over time I've corrected several fundamental flaws in my
> game, all because of: missing the easy ones.
>
> I guess I like to consider the misses the game's way of helping me... you
> just have to quiet down long enough to hear the advice, instead of howling
> at the sky :-)
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Lou Figueroa
 
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Great advice so far, I set up the break shot and kept going with that, you're right a lot of practice on the break shot. I'm going to try something simple for a month or so. I'm going to use center ball or follow on almost every shot unless I'm going to scratch. I think I need to learn natural angles and leaves before I try to add another variable. I can get tons of action on the cue ball but that might not be good most of the time. Simple has to be better. I think after a while when I add a little english back I will respect it more. My confidence keeps getting higher. I've played for two years and most of the league players have played most of their life. I practice 2-3 hours a day so I know it will come. From a break shot my high was some where around ten. I'm not used to breaking up the stack yet, it will come
 
Drills

You may want to search the web or your favorite pool book. Find drills that address your specific weaknesses. There are multiple drills for any and all aspect of our game.

Find some drill. Do the drills.

And, keep playing 14.1 ....IT'S A GREAT GAME.

You may also want to find an instructor in your area that is familiar with 14.1.
My instructor taught me some AWESOME safes on the 14 ball rack!
 
Hi Andrew and welcome to 14.1 and this forum. You will not be disappointed in either.
I have been playing pool over 40 years now but I just started in 14.1 a few months ago. It was the best thing I have found in all those years of enjoying and playing both 8 ball and 9 ball.

I have learned a LOT just in the past few months and I have also learned just how little I know.

My advise is to follow all the advise these other guys have given you and also you should watch some of the greats play this game. There were great 14.1 players way before I was born and there are some really great players now that are younger than me (I am a mere 59).

Watch Efren Reyes play this game, then watch John Schmidt...two truly great players who play totally different games within a game.
There a lots of video clips on youtube and you will learn a ton from guys like that!

Also Blackjack Dave has helped me a lot so search for his post and devore them ALL too.
 
Making progress

I have practiced a little straight pool but not that much. Christmas day a friend came over and I broke and ran a 8ball rack for the first time. I got a rack of nine ball against my brother a month or two ago so I wiped out some short goals. I was happy :grin-square:
 
I only have one piece of advice for you: have fun when you play 14.1. If you stop enjoying yourself, better play something else, or even quit playing altogether for a while, then come back to it when you feel like playing again. If it feels like a chore, you'll end up burning out your interest in the game.
 
all the above advice is good. i just have to add a few things about running a rack. when i first started watching good straight pool players i was stymied by their shot selection. "how do they know which balls to shoot first" i thought. then i read as much as i could about the game and watched 14.1 videos with commentary and it all became clear. now, like the commentators, i too can critique a 14.1 run as the person is shooting. i can also see mistakes that they make. this is a HUGE leap in understanding the game. my thought process goes like this:

#1. get the balls open and playable.
#2. define a break-ball
#3. define key balls which get you to the final key-ball that sets up your break-ball.
#4. run the remaining balls and set up for your 3rd or 4th key-ball in the sequence.

once you get the balls playable with no clusters or difficult shots, you can then plan your strategy to get on your break ball. generally at this point half the rack is off the table so you are left with only 6 or 7 balls. the last three or four of which you will know how to shoot because they lead to your break-ball. then all you have to do is work on those other three balls to get you to the first key-ball in your sequence to the final key-ball and your break-shot.
 
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