valley forge open winner

[JAM]

I would rather wrestle a gorilla for a banana than beat 850+ players for peanuts, every promoter deserves to make money, but please. And yet every year pool players from around the country bend over and smile. So maybe they like being taken advantage of, but I'm sure of this as long as they keep playing it won't change

What a description, wrestling a gorilla for a banana. :rotflmao1:


It's tough to make a profit playing pool competitively. That's for sure.

I do know, however, that Allen Hopkins adds a big chunk of cheese to the ProAm and Men's Pro events at Super Billiards Expo. There is always a big difference between first and second place.

Sometimes the two players in the finals may like to have a saver with each other to make up for the difference. It does not mean that each one will not be playing to their total capacity. It just makes up for, say, first being in this case $20,000 and second being $7,000 for the men's pro event.

The trophies alone at SBE probably cost 5 figures, and then there's the staff he has to pay. There's quite a few referees and other personnel there who ensure the smooth running of the SBE. Some referees make a large chunk of change at other events, but at SBE, I think they all get paid the same, and so these guys/gals deserve a round of applause. They literally do it for the love of the game, not for the money.

I think there's more money to be made on the Action Table than the pool tournaments at Valley Forge, and this year proved that!

 

[Black-Balled]

I would rather wrestle a gorilla for a banana than beat 850+ players for peanuts, ...

You're lying. I have a gorilla in my building and the base of his fingers is damn near the same size as my (admittedly girly:embarrassed2 wrist.

Playing pool is a better idea.

 

[BackPocket9Ball]

Larry Price is w/o question a professional pool player....

Then again the man only won a division tittle in the Derby City Classic!!!!

Larry Price is NOT w/out a question a professional pool player. He does not play pool for a living, as simple as that.

Of course, he is an extremely strong player, but that does not make you a professional.

He's also probably old enough to play in the seniors division, but won the amateur, so let's give him some credit.

And he's from West Virginia, not even close to Richmond -- much closer to Cincinnati.

 

[whitewolf]

Thanks for that update. I was wondering about who won the ProAm! :smile:

In ten ball amateur I heard yesterday that a Washington DC local Joey Ryan was in the top eight waiting to play. Anyone heard on that?

 

[supergreenman]

John Schmidt wins the Championship and pockets $20,000...Corey Dueul takes 2nd Place and wins $7,000...seems like a steep drop to me.

MM

"If you're not first, you're last" - Ricky Bobby - Taladega Nights

 

[earlthe pearl]

i saw a post that said dave daya won the seniors. Does anyone know yet who won the open division?

any other results for the open top 64.

 

[Black-Balled]

"If you're not first, you're last" - Ricky Bobby - Taladega Nights

2nd place just means you are the best loser.

 

[kryptonite9]

1 - Larry Price
2 - Danny Barnes
3-4
Matt Clatterbuck
Bill McCollim?
5-8
Mike Miller
Nelson Olivier
?
?
9-16
Me (Keith Christman)
Randy Schwager
Oscar Bonilla
Bucky Souvatong (sp?)

This is all I know, who was playing near me. If anyone else can fill in maybe we can get the full list.

 

[9_Ball_King]

Bracket Winners (Valley Forge Open Amateur Event)

any other results for the open top 64.

Bracket 1 Shannon Schroedep
Bracket 2 Danny Barnes
Bracket 3 Keith Christman
Bracket 4 Nelson Oliveira
Bracket 5 Mike Miller
Bracket 6 Randy Schwager
Bracket 7 Oscar Bonilla
Bracket 8 Matt Clatterbuck
Bracket 9 Joey Ryan
Bracket 10 Tom Formando
Bracket 11 Shuji Hase
Bracket 12 Bill McCollim
Bracket 13 Craig McPartin
Bracket 14 Bucky Souvanthong
Bracket 15 Larry Price
Bracket 16 Ron Frank

Final 8 Players:
Danny Barnes beat Nelson Oliveira
Matt Clatterbuck beat Mike Miller
Bill McCollim beat Joey Ryan
Larry Price beat Craig McPartin

Final 4 Players:
Danny Barnes beat Matt Clatterbuck
Larry Price beat Bill McCollim

Finals
Larry Price beat Danny Barnes

 

[Eric.]

Ain't it the truth. They are actually playing for a fraction of the entry fee money, with zero added. It's a sweet deal for someone. Unfortunately, very common in the billiard industry.

Hey Jay,

For what it's worth, I know (from a reliable person) that included in the entry is your 4 day Expo pass ($40 value), so technically, the entry for the tourney is $35.

I know, I know, it sounds like semantics, but that's what it is


Eric

 

[BogeyFree]

Hey Jay,

For what it's worth, I know (from a reliable person) that included in the entry is your 4 day Expo pass ($40 value), so technically, the entry for the tourney is $35.

I know, I know, it sounds like semantics, but that's what it is


Eric

That is correct except I think the 4 day pass was $35.

 

[Eric.]

That is correct except I think the 4 day pass was $35.

MY bad. Ok, then in that case, $40 goes into the tourney.


Eric

 

[uwate]

anyone know the payouts?

 

[mapman72]

anyone know the payouts?

5-8th and got $1000. 3/4th got $1500. Second got $2000 and first got $5000. I'm not sure about further down but I know that the first level ITM was assured of $430, then $595, and so on.

 

[Eric.]

5-8th and got $1000. 3/4th got $1500. Second got $2000 and first got $5000. I'm not sure about further down but I know that the first level ITM was assured of $430, then $595, and so on.

Nice finish, Mapman. Haven't seen you in a while, hope you're playing well.


Eric

 

[uwate]

The math here is pretty bad
850 players x $75= $63,750

1st $5000
2nd $2000
3rd $1500
4th $1500
5th $1000
6th $1000
7th $1000
8th $1000
thats $14,000

The first level of in the money started about where? Do you know what they paid down to?

 

[jay helfert]

Hey Jay,

For what it's worth, I know (from a reliable person) that included in the entry is your 4 day Expo pass ($40 value), so technically, the entry for the tourney is $35.

I know, I know, it sounds like semantics, but that's what it is


Eric

It looks like they are taking $35 out of every $75 entry for an expo pass. That's almost $30,000! HELLO!!!! Good work if you can get it.

So that leaves $34,000 in prize money. Wonder how much of that actually got paid. It's the only tourney I know of where the players must pay to get into the tournament area. I could kind of understand a $15 greens fee out of the $75 entry. That would leave a healthy $50,000+ purse. Now you could pay the winner $10,000! And the promoter would still be getting a very healthy $12,750 in greens fees. What's wrong with that? That's a winning formula in my book.

It will always go against my sense of fairness to see players being taken advantage of. But that's just me. I see all this stuff go on and I'm too dumb to keep my mouth shut.

 

[jay helfert]

The math here is pretty bad
850 players x $75= $63,750

1st $5000
2nd $2000
3rd $1500
4th $1500
5th $1000
6th $1000
7th $1000
8th $1000
thats $14,000

The first level of in the money started about where? Do you know what they paid down to?

A little on the light side if you check my post above. They would have to pay pretty deep to even get the total purse up to $34,000. I wonder???

 

[Cuaba]

Top 64

The first level of in the money started about where? Do you know what they paid down to?

I was told you had to be in the top 64 to cash.

 

[gregoryg]

Allen's decision...

IIRC it's Allen who decides who can play in the amatuer open tournament. If he says you're allowed, then you can give it a shot.

As far as the number of paid entries, it has exploded in numbers over the past ten years but the top prize has not gotten any bigger.............