This thread is getting fun. :smile:
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The video is useless. It shows the OB being hit off center and that contact is putting siding on the ball the same as a cue tip does.
Every example people are given has the OB contact point, left/right, of center. The is exactly what is done with the cue tip to put english on the CB!
I am going to be at an event this weekend with Tyler Edey entered (I think he will be there). I am going to ask him to try this and I will post what he thinks before and after the test. Not sure if Edwin M plays in this, if so, I ask do same with him
The physics department at CSU disagrees with you::
http://billiards.colostate.edu/high_speed_videos/new/HSVA-84.htm
I will bet. We can paypal or pay later. I think we both post here enough that we don't want an unpaid bet thread about us.
I would like to see the shot in my diagram done. Lets go 1 and a half diamond from the long rail and long bank the ball using transfer to OB. I will state the same that I have from the start. very very little spin is transfered and will not have enough of an effect to pocket the ball. It must be 100% full ball hit with the OB travelling straight to rail and the transfer spin creating the angle for the long bank.
I will even give you a 50$ buy out option after you try it!
I have done the shot a 100 times. Didn't transfer once so I like my odds! I can't post the video at moment the USB ports stopped working. Going to get another computer and post. OB will not spin unless hit across face or off center. You should be a little more open minded and try it first.
I have done every shot listed and can cheat angles and found hitting 100% full ball doesn't transfer spin! I would like to make it simple and just agree with posters here, but it just doesn't work. People not trying it will continue thinking the same until the see for them self.
I think if you don't try it with rails to guide for a full ball hit, you shouldn't post!
I will bet. We can paypal or pay later. I think we both post here enough that we don't want an unpaid bet thread about us.
I would like to see the shot in my diagram done. Lets go 1 and a half diamond from the long rail and long bank the ball using transfer to OB. I will state the same that I have from the start. very very little spin is transfered and will not have enough of an effect to pocket the ball. It must be 100% full ball hit with the OB travelling straight to rail and the transfer spin creating the angle for the long bank.
I will even give you a 50$ buy out option after you try it!
Try the shot I posted. In that shot there is no possible way to hit the object ball on the side it needs to be hit on for collision induced spin without moving the ball frozen to it.
The ONLY way to hit the object ball and have it spin back below the frozen ball is to hit it dead center because hitting it on the far side will cause the object ball to get spin in the wrong direction.
This shot illustrates perfectly the fact that a spinning cue ball will transfer spin to the object ball.
Started reading this and seems there's a bunch that believe that throw is the reason and not a transfer. So if throw is the cause then how do you explain this shot?
Check out this video. Go to the middle around 4:10
This is confusing to me. He says you cannot transfer side but then he shows in my opinion how it DOES transfer. I guess there's something else going on. You got me![]()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnVWAMXFsqE
When I noticed that this thread ran to multiple pages, it made me curious. How could a seemingly innocent question (can you transfer spin to an OB?) with a patently obvious answer (YES) generate pages of posts?
I just finished reading the entire thread to this point and I am still curious. Did the OP, who was well aware of the correct answer to his question, just post to generate some discussion? Was there actually any desire to understand what Dr. Dave and others presented?
It seems that the posters arguing FOR the possibility of transfer of spin are winning the day, finally, but it sure has taken a lot of time and effort.
This reminds me of the debates over whether a baseball really curves as it travels from the pitcher's mound to home plate. Yes, believe it or not, back in the 1940s and earlier people did debate this question with considerable intensity. Photographic evidence finally settled the issue. Strangely, photographic evidence doesn't seem to be adequate for some in this thread.
The baseball can't curve its gravity![]()
FYI, I have a video of this shot, with an explanation and slow-motion footage, here:
You should be able to make the shot that I posted then. Maybe we should define "Transfer"
What I believe happens to the OB during contact, if siding played on CB, is very little friction on the vertical axis causing the OB to have a wobble (if stripe was vertical). I don't believe hitting the CB with loads of spin and having it hit the OB full will transfer spin allowing the OB to roll down table with noticable horizontal spin (like a top) that will allow the OB to bit a rail and change angle (hitting rail straight on).
What I believe is OB transfer! When the CB (with vertical spin) contacts the OB off center. I think this offset hit and the spin adds force to that contact point in a straight line through the contact point (not a vertical spin transfer) like a tip does. This contact causes the OB to spin (not the CB spin). Usually playing spin on the CB for a "transfer" shot has the CB arcing to the OB. Even if it appears to hit full the CB didn't travel in a straight line. The arce will apply force at an angle different than a full ball hit.
I have been playing pool for a number of years; you will not do a bank and get a wow outta me... or, how did you do that it didn't go?... I can play the banks and have a different understanding of what is putting spin on the OB. I think that rails cause way more spin than what you guys believe to be "CB Tranfer" ever will.
It is a simple test to prove something other than just CB transfer may happen. The CB is travelling a perfectly straight line and contacting the OB 100% dead middle. I have to ask, will the CB transfer spin to the OB in my diagram (noticable transfer that will have the OB change the natural straight path)? I say no it doesn't! I am not saying that all of those diagrammed shots won't go, I think they do.
Even the video that shows the OB getting the "Transfer" doesn't show the CB path or what happens to the OB after a foot of roll. That little bit of spin would be all forward roll in inches. You can see it start to tumble end overr end in the ball length it travels and by the time it reaches a rail it would be all vertical spin.
I think if you don't try it with rails to guide for a full ball hit, you shouldn't post!
Still waiting for Jason to offer an explanation for this case where the "off-center" hit on the OB in shot two would have put LEFT English on the OB and yet the OB clearly ends up with RIGHT English.Do you know how to read? As I clearly stated in my post, the "off center" hit in shot two (forty seconds in) would have put LEFT english on the object ball (referring back to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5cOLa7HtiM&NR=1), but as you can clearly see in the video, the object ball clearly has RIGHT english. This right english could only have come from the transfer of the spin from the cue ball. It picked up so much of that right english in fact, that it actually first had to overcome and cancel out the collision induced left english that was actually working against it. The fact that the object ball was cut slighly to the right (which imparts left spin) actually helped to prove beyond any doubt that the object ball got all of it's right spin from the transfer of the cue ball's spin.
I agree RANDYG.This is nothing more than a "gear shot". This shot transfers bottom on the cueball to a little top spin on the first object ball. Side spin has little to do with this shot....SPF=randyg