Ivory ferrules?

dukeboy1977

dukeboy1977

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OK, I have a question for those of you who actually like ivory ferrules. Maybe it's just me or maybe I've not gotten used-to the way they seem to "throw off" the cue-ball just a little, but how do you play with these things? I'll admit that I've only ever used a few ivory ferrules in my lifetime, but it just seems to me right now that maybe normal ferrules "play" better. By "normal" ferrules I mean non ivory ones...Though I'm not sure what all of them have been, I know I've used Aegis, Elforyn, Ivorine, Grice, etc. etc. I don't seem to have difficulty with any of these ferrules "throwing off" my cue-ball from where I want it to go, but ivory seems to be a different world. It does look a whole lot more cool with the "grain" in some of it, but to me, it seems to take more precision to get the cue-ball where you want it to go. I definitely need to practice more with it, that's for sure, but I'm curious to find out your thoughts on this matter. I'm sure it's not only me who thinks like this, and maybe some ivory reacts differently than other ivory? Either way, I got a great looking Kornele cue my normal shaft fits on to use it during a match if I wanted to so it's not for sale. I'd just like to hear from those of you who use ivory ferrules to play with and get your opinion or facts about it. Now I got something else to do some homework on because I'm curious! lol Take care & thanks for your reply, Jeff
 
Like you said, maybe some of it reacts differently. I've never had a prob with my ivory ferrules. I dunno.
 
I LOVE ivory ferrules, personally. I have never noticed any real difference, other than the grain, and easy cleaning compared to "regular" ferrules. I have used mainly ivory for the last 7 or so years, and regular for the 7 or so previous, and couldn't tell you the difference by feel. Did you use an entirely different cue, or just change ferrules. And I am assuming that you used the same tip as well?
 
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muttley76 said:
I LOVE ivory ferrules, personally. I have never noticed any real difference, other than the grain, and easy cleaning compared to "regular" ferrules. I have used mainly ivory for the last 7 or so years, and regular for the 7 or so previous, and couldn't tell you the difference by feel. Did you use an entirely different cue, or just change ferrules. And I am assuming that you used the same tip as well?
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Good questions! It is made by a cue-maker I have had ivory ferrules from before that worked great for me. As for the tips, I'm sure they are the same tips I use which are med. Talisman tips. Maybe I need to try a softer tip on these ferrules? I am gonna try some different things on it, I'm just wondering about the difference. Would a softer tip help before I go changing them out? The one thing I DO notice a difference in is the softer "hit". Its almost like I don't hit the cue-ball at all now...It's kinda nice! Either way, Steve did a fine job as expected!
 
increased deflection is caused when you have more weight at the tip. Therefore if you have a heavy ferrule it will cause more deflection, it does not matter if it is synthetic or ivory.
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But let's look at the "reason " for ferrules- they were originally used to keep the end of the shaft from splitting.
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Now, with todays advancements in construction and materials, the need for big, heavy ferrules is no longer necessary, this is why we have so many low deflection shaft options.
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I am sure that the differences that you are feeling have more to do with things like different tips, tapers,joint, weight distribution.
 
dukeboy1977 said:
Good questions! It is made by a cue-maker I have had ivory ferrules from before that worked great for me. As for the tips, I'm sure they are the same tips I use which are med. Talisman tips. Maybe I need to try a softer tip on these ferrules? I am gonna try some different things on it, I'm just wondering about the difference. Would a softer tip help before I go changing them out? The one thing I DO notice a difference in is the softer "hit". Its almost like I don't hit the cue-ball at all now...It's kinda nice! Either way, Steve did a fine job as expected!
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Check your tip very carefully. Did you put it on yourself? Have you shaped it using the tools out of your case? I have two cues with ivory and use them both regularly w/ no problems.:confused:
 
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Dawgie said:
Check your tip very carefully. Did you put it on yourself? Have you shaped it using the tools out of your case? I have two cues with ivory and use them both regularly w/ no problems.:confused:
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No, the tips are the way they came from the cue-maker to me. I'm going to try using my "shaper" to shape them probably today. I was using the other shaft last night with very little problems so I went back to the 1st shaft I used and noticed a few differences. The first is that it's alot heavier than the second shaft, so maybe the added weight and density could be some of the cause but it played pretty well for me last night. This is still a little different than I'm used-to because my normal playing shaft has a smaller ferrule kinda like a Predator shaft, so maybe that has something to do with the way IT plays! I still have a few side by side comparisons to do next weekend before I decide whether it's just me, the tips, or the ferrules do make a difference for me...I just wondered what you ivory ferrule users had experienced with your cues. I'll definitely post any findings of my own soon!
 
I don't play with an ivory ferrule but I have hit with many. Personally haven't noticed that ivory ferruled cues have alot more deflection.
 
I have a Shurtz with an ivory ferrule. It hits very solidly, but I'm not sure if it has much to do with the ferrule as opposed to the make of the cue itself.
 
I like Ivory ferules.

Not for my break cue, but on everything else, why not? It is the traditional material, and I am very old-school with those sort of things.

Now, an Ivory butt piece or tons of inlay? Not really for me honestly.

I can see the desire for an Ivory joint, but I will never go out of my way to have one on my cue. If I buy a cue with an Ivory joint, fine. But some people HAVE to have an Ivory joint and I just don't see the reason.

I have never cracked or broken an Ivory ferrule... Those who have may be suffering from other problems, like poor installation techniques, not allowing the temp to stabilize or just plain hitting like a gorilla!:eek:

Anyway, I'm putting Ivory on my personal cue project, and am looking forward to playing with it!

PS any suggestions on glue for installing the ferrule and later the tips?
 
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dukeboy1977 said:
OK, I have a question for those of you who actually like ivory ferrules. Maybe it's just me or maybe I've not gotten used-to the way they seem to "throw off" the cue-ball just a little, but how do you play with these things? I'll admit that I've only ever used a few ivory ferrules in my lifetime, but it just seems to me right now that maybe normal ferrules "play" better. By "normal" ferrules I mean non ivory ones...Though I'm not sure what all of them have been, I know I've used Aegis, Elforyn, Ivorine, Grice, etc. etc. I don't seem to have difficulty with any of these ferrules "throwing off" my cue-ball from where I want it to go, but ivory seems to be a different world. It does look a whole lot more cool with the "grain" in some of it, but to me, it seems to take more precision to get the cue-ball where you want it to go. I definitely need to practice more with it, that's for sure, but I'm curious to find out your thoughts on this matter. I'm sure it's not only me who thinks like this, and maybe some ivory reacts differently than other ivory? Either way, I got a great looking Kornele cue my normal shaft fits on to use it during a match if I wanted to so it's not for sale. I'd just like to hear from those of you who use ivory ferrules to play with and get your opinion or facts about it. Now I got something else to do some homework on because I'm curious! lol Take care & thanks for your reply, Jeff
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Is there a Pad on top the ferrule that the tip is glued to or is the tip glued directly to the top of the Ivory Ferrule. Look closely before you answer, depending upon who built the shaft it could have a Pad or no pad.

Take care
 
My Joss (east) had fiber pads; however my Richard Black does not.

Both played (play in the case of the black) well...

I use Triangle tips if anyone cares to know.:)
 
Jeff,

I know what you are saying. I had a cue with two shafts, both ivory ferrules, and the cueball would deflect something fierce. How long is your ferrule. Mine were 1" and some said that with ivory they should be 1/2 to 3/4" to reduce the deflection. Don't know if it's true because I ended up selling the cue.

Koop
 
Im an old school person my self I been using Ivory for ever it hits solid enough for me but i use a hard tip also.
 
JoseV said:
Im an old school person my self I been using Ivory for ever it hits solid enough for me but i use a hard tip also.
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Ditto, same here. Ivory ferrule, fiber pad, triangle tip. I can't seem to get used to layered tips, they hit weird to me.
 
Koop said:
Jeff,

I know what you are saying. I had a cue with two shafts, both ivory ferrules, and the cueball would deflect something fierce. How long is your ferrule. Mine were 1" and some said that with ivory they should be 1/2 to 3/4" to reduce the deflection. Don't know if it's true because I ended up selling the cue.

Koop
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Koop I suspect it was the shaft wood more than the ferrules, I have been using them years myself and installing them and never had that problem.

But, it is just my opinion!
 
dukeboy1977 said:
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. The cue-ball wasn't going where I wanted it to like my normal shaft
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Capped ferrules ( specially thick caps ) and small wood tenon tend to cause more cueball squirt imo.
Ever notice those house cues with cheap short ferrules actuall shoot pretty straight? :eek:
Ivory ferrules feel great on center ball hits. Once you hit the side of the ball, good luck.
 
Ivory Ferrules

I have played with Ivory ferrules off & on for the last 50 years (mostly on) and
I think the perceived deflection is mostly between the players ears.
I don't see an appreciable difference in Ivory vs. modern ferrule material.
The major drawback to Ivory in the cost.
 
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