BCA bands phenolic saturday at nationals
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Ok? Are they banding them or banning them?
I'm just as confused. Was this thread useful? It just makes my head hurt. I wouldn't mind knowing more info though... I just can't read between the fuzzy lines/words.
How's anybody gonna play if they can't break? Sorry for the sarcasm. I just don't see the big deal.
For break cues, I dunno if it's a big deal. Some of these beat to hell house sticks have tips that are so packed and worn and shiny that they're like diamonds.
But for jump cues it's huge. I've tried many times to jump without the benefit of the harder tip and it's a huge difference. Phenolic tips really do make popping up the cue ball super easy. It'll be interesting to see how this affects people's games.
But for jump cues it's huge. I've tried many times to jump without the benefit of the harder tip and it's a huge difference. Phenolic tips really do make popping up the cue ball super easy. It'll be interesting to see how this affects people's games.
It's True
The new rule book in effect for the 2009-2010 BCAPL season which goes into efffect 1 June prohibits the use of phenolic tips.
You can still jump, just not with phenolic.
This is for BCAPL sanctioned events. Read: Nationals and most likely your state tournament and any leagues that decide to adopt it.
The new rule book in effect for the 2009-2010 BCAPL season which goes into efffect 1 June prohibits the use of phenolic tips.
You can still jump, just not with phenolic.
This is for BCAPL sanctioned events. Read: Nationals and most likely your state tournament and any leagues that decide to adopt it.
I'd say good, but people will just find a way around the rule. They will cut a plastic tip out and glue it to the ferrule. Noone will know the difference. Or they will go back to putting a hole with a tiny leather piece in the middle of the tip.
They should just ban all jump cues. Let people learn how to kick and masse again. Bring back some purity to the game.
They should just ban all jump cues. Let people learn how to kick and masse again. Bring back some purity to the game.
mongoose-
Banned
Are they banning only jump cues with phenolic tips or are they banning break cues as well. The phenolic tip definatly makes a difference if you ask me.. I can jump a full ball very easily with my break/jump cue with a phenolic tip without breaking it down to the jump cue. Of course the jump cue I can get over balls closer together but it is still a big advantage with that tip.
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On the page with the summary of rule changes for the upcomming year, it says:Phenolic tips are prohibited at BCAPL events
I would say that covers anything you want to use with that kind of tip
On the page with the summary of rule changes for the upcomming year, it says:Phenolic tips are prohibited at BCAPL events
I would say that covers anything you want to use with that kind of tip
Phenolic tips
The BCA Pool League is banning phenolic tips as of June 1, 2009. Cues are not an issue. Jump cues are still allowed as long as they do not have a phenolic tip on them. The harder phenolic is tearing up the cue balls.
Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
Director of Referees
Rules Administrator
The BCA Pool League is banning phenolic tips as of June 1, 2009. Cues are not an issue. Jump cues are still allowed as long as they do not have a phenolic tip on them. The harder phenolic is tearing up the cue balls.
Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
Director of Referees
Rules Administrator
What about G10? That's some hard stuff. I would think if phenolic is banned so would G10, but that is just my opinion.
I personally like white diamond. They are just as hard as phenolic tips but they are still leather and can put english on the cue ball if so desired. It doesn't get too shiny either. I think Joseph Picone invented these? Great tip. 100% leather if I am correct.
Well, from what I believe Mike Gulyassi owns the patent for ALL phenolic tips. I believe that he is activley talking to manufacturers and telling them that they can't make anymore or if they do they have to pay a royalty to him.
I am not sure if there is any connection here but it sure would not help Mike if his tip was made unusable in many tournys. I am sure I am reading too much into this, I am not good enough to know the difference to be honest.
I am not sure if there is any connection here but it sure would not help Mike if his tip was made unusable in many tournys. I am sure I am reading too much into this, I am not good enough to know the difference to be honest.
G10 is a phenolic. It just has fiberglass in it to make it stronger. Other phenolic tips use linen/cotton in its construction.
Brian
mongoose-
Banned
Thank you ne14tennis. I will bet there will be other leagues/organisations following suit as well. BUMMER!
Absolutely, and let's go back to clay balls and wooden tables. Simonis cloth is really unfair and let's move on to basketball too. The dunk, out of here ... breakaway rims, no way ... the three point line, bye bye. Golf ... no more synthetic balls, no large head drivers, no wedges. Racing, no turbo chargers, no superchargers, no NOS, no oversized bores.
These things are natural progressions of the game that change it from its history. These things happen. It's how life goes. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but why ask for purity in pool and nothing else. Unless you follow an Amish lifestyle or more severe you have accepted the evolution of the world around you, but not your game.
As much as there is physical change to try to improve games, there is also the RULE changes that also cause resistance. There has always been some level of 'resistance' for any change(s). All games/sports go through this.
Especially when there isn't a single authority for physical or rule changes in pool, it will be pretty much left up to the whims of all the different organizations.
Especially when there isn't a single authority for physical or rule changes in pool, it will be pretty much left up to the whims of all the different organizations.
Jumping with toothpick is different than having nice balls and cloth. If a 4 in APA can line up with his tiny stick and fire a jump in every time, there is someting wrong with the system. How often would that same player even get a good hit kicking or curving?
There is a difference with pool and the pro sports you mentioned. If I wanted to go play golf with a shovel in my back yard, I could do it. Could I play on the pro tour with one? No. They wouldn't let me play with or without one. What if I could beat Tiger Woods with my shovel? Not because I play good, but because a shovel gets over all the trees in the way 95% of the time. Then it would not be a skill game anymore, and Tiger will soon be using a shovel to play too.