Diamond tables...WHY?

ShootingArts said:
Tonight it was chicken and sausage file gumbo! :D :D


The door's always open and the swamp is only a couple hundred yards away. Come on down and we'll catch or kill something to cook. The bald eagles are getting plentiful around here. I haven't ever had eagle gumbo but I'm thinking about it!

Hu
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It's no big deal. I tastes real close to Spotted Owl. I'm sure you've had that before.
 
riding9 said:
Why do players like shooting on diamond tables so much? They don't play natural, meaning they come up short compared to Brunswick and other name tables. I believe they play short because the rails are so springy which causes them to play fast and short.

Why do you like them?
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Reminds me of a story I was reading, where two women got lost and ended up out in the woods. "What is all this?" says one of them. "There's nothing here but a bunch of trees and stuff. Where's all the convenience stores and shopping centers. This is not natural."
 
cardiac kid said:
Cowboy,

If you have never played back to back bar box events, one on a Valley and the other a small Diamond, you would think its a non-starter. Last year, after leaving the BCAPL event, I returned for the ACS. I counted four different cue balls. A friend said five. I (and others) got j-hooked several times by an out of spec cue ball. The Diamonds are real pool tables. Just smaller. If only for being able to use a real cue ball without weights or size differentials, the Diamonds would be my choice every time.
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Honestly I seldom played on ANY BAR BOXES, but have played on a Diamond one or twice for a couple of hours in the Valley before the place that had them shut down a year ago May.

The one thing I noticed with the Diamond was you had to put the OB Square in the pocket, as you could not slop the OB in the pocket like a Valley, or Dynamo.

I have never hit a ball on a diamond 4.5 x 9.0 honestly.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Honestly I seldom played on ANY BAR BOXES, but have played on a Diamond one or twice for a couple of hours in the Valley before the place that had them shut down a year ago May.

The one thing I noticed with the Diamond was you had to put the OB Square in the pocket, as you could not slop the OB in the pocket like a Valley, or Dynamo.

I have never hit a ball on a diamond 4.5 x 9.0 honestly.
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And you think you had to hit center pocket on the 3 1/2 x 7 Diamond?!? LMAO, try slopping a ball in on a Diamond 9'r, then compare it to a GC. It's a WORLD of difference.

Dags
 
poolhustler said:
Diamonds are nice tables. Compared to a GC, they both have their plusses and minuses.

I played alot on the diamonds in Reno last year and they played easier than my GCI.

Russ.....
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Yeah well, your GC1 has 2 1/8" pockets! :grin-square:

I had wondered the same thing, having heard a lot of great things about Diamonds put never had the opportunity to play on one. I finally got the chance recently at the TAR BAR during the BCA Nationals and I have to say they are a very good pool table. I can't say I like them any more than a Gold Crown (especially the IV and V with the flush mounted pockets), but they are every bit up there with the top of the line Brunswick.

I had heard about how they played real tight and didn't accept shots hit with speed near a rail. I wouldn't have liked that since that is the same problem I have with Olhausens. But I found it wasn't true at all. Yes, of course you have to be more accurate with these shots, but the Diamond did accept them.

I'm not positive but I believe the tables in the TAR BAR were the Pro Cut pockets. They seemed equivalent to the ones used in the Predator tournament. Maybe JCIN or Big Nasty can confirm this.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Yeah well, your GC1 has 2 1/8" pockets! :grin-square:

I had wondered the same thing, having heard a lot of great things about Diamonds put never had the opportunity to play on one. I finally got the chance recently at the TAR BAR during the BCA Nationals and I have to say they are a very good pool table. I can't say I like them any more than a Gold Crown (especially the IV and V with the flush mounted pockets), but they are every bit up there with the top of the line Brunswick.

I had heard about how they played real tight and didn't accept shots hit with speed near a rail. I wouldn't have liked that since that is the same problem I have with Olhausens. But I found it wasn't true at all. Yes, of course you have to be more accurate with these shots, but the Diamond did accept them.

I'm not positive but I believe the tables in the TAR BAR were the Pro Cut pockets. They seemed equivalent to the ones used in the Predator tournament. Maybe JCIN or Big Nasty can confirm this.
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yes they were pro cut.
the one i played on would play a little tighter than the other two they had it had older cloth.
 
Diamond tables at BCAPL

Every table used at the BCAPL Natinal 8-Ball Championships were Pro Cut.

This means the 9' and the 7'. Including the TARBAR area. The only exception would be a couple of the vender tables that were Pro AM tables.

That is what is nice about Diamonds. Amateurs and Pros actually play on the same size pocket and the same cut etc.

It is interesting, Diamond created the bi-level pcket in 1986 and has used it forever. Brunswick finally introduced it a few years ago. But leather plays better than rubber!!!

Mark Griffin
 
real bartram said:
yes they were pro cut.
the one i played on would play a little tighter than the other two they had it had older cloth.
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Thanks Chris! I was on the one right next to the stream table. I checked and the pockets looked the same (depth-wise) as the stream table you were matching up on all week!! :thumbup: The stream table might indeed have been a tad tighter, but it wasn't much.
 
Dagwoodz said:


And you think you had to hit center pocket on the 3 1/2 x 7 Diamond?!? LMAO, try slopping a ball in on a Diamond 9'r, then compare it to a GC. It's a WORLD of difference.

Dags
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If you read what I said I have never hit a ball on a 4.5 x 9.0 Diamond.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Thanks Chris! I was on the one right next to the stream table. I checked and the pockets looked the same (depth-wise) as the stream table you were matching up on all week!! :thumbup: The stream table might indeed have been a tad tighter, but it wasn't much.
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yes sir the pockets were the same size.
but our table had old cloth before we even played on it.
 
I've played on Gold Crown tables ever since I started playing pool 25+ years ago. One time, one time mind you, I was back in the US on vacation and I had a chance to shoot on a Diamond table in Cincinnati and I was hooked on them. Fantastic tables, just can't find them here. Second favorite would be a GCIII or GCII, in that order. I really have no use for the GCIV. Haven't had a chance to shoot on a GCV yet. There is one at this new place not too far from here but I've only been there once and the GCV was being used.
MULLY
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Chris, Ive heard that mentioned before but I'm not quite sure I understand. Why does older cloth make the table play tighter?

Thanks.
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Actually, Dogs, tighter probably isn't the correct word, stiffer is probably better. When the cloth wears down on a table you lose the little slip and slide feature that you get with new cloth. For example if you're cutting a ball down the rail on new cloth and it hits the rail it will slide a little. I've seen people make balls hitting as far up as the first diamond on new cloth. Once it wears down though when the ball hits the cushion it will go into the cushion and come out of the cushion without that little bit of slide on it. Also, I think you have more chances of jawing a ball on old cloth too. Again because the ball doesn't slip and slide on it. You hit that inner jaw and it just bounces back and forth without sliding forward.......for example.
MULLY

This diagram isn't perfect but it will give you the basic idea. The red line (A) is new cloth and the blue line (B) is old cloth. (and my lines are slightly exaggerated to show the effect.)

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the top rails are what I like about them, there is nothing in the way of your bridgehand and there are no goofy metal pockets to nick your shaft up. they are the ultimate table to play high stakes matches on. when the arm starts to tighten up the balls don't tend to fall....
 
mullyman said:
I've played on Gold Crown tables ever since I started playing pool 25+ years ago. One time, one time mind you, I was back in the US on vacation and I had a chance to shoot on a Diamond table in Cincinnati and I was hooked on them. Fantastic tables, just can't find them here. Second favorite would be a GCIII or GCII, in that order. I really have no use for the GCIV. Haven't had a chance to shoot on a GCV yet. There is one at this new place not too far from here but I've only been there once and the GCV was being used.
MULLY
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I have to ask, why do you not like the GC4, and what is it you like about the earlier III over the IV?
 
I have a 7' pro/am with tournament cut pockets. It is the nuts.....Probably the best "barbox" I have ever played on.

If I had the room I'd have a 9' they are simply the best table on the market.


:)
 
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