nice customer service story kam! :thumbup2:
Get a NEW BLACK BOAR...around $6,000
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A cuemaker has the right to ask what he wants for a cue. Supply and demand will dictate the outcome. In my opinion, no living cuemaker's plain jane cue can be worth $6,000.00 to anyone other than a rich collector that we seem to have quite a few of around here. Nice cue but not for the average Joe. I'll stick with my Scruggs. G.L. "country"
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Having never hit a ball with his new stick...
1993 early 8pt cue.
semis vs bata
finals vs earl
Having never hit a ball with his new stick...
1993 early 8pt cue.
semis vs bata
finals vs earl
I matched up with SueYen last night playing $20 a game 9 ball getting the wild 8. Thankfully she had to quit and go check on her dog because I was fighting to stay even. I definitely need the wild 7 next time. But I digress...I told her about this thread, etc..and of course she had a lot of nice things to say about Tony, etc.
We talked about the new shaft and SueYen said that she tested the prototype a while back (years?) and really liked it, but there were some problems with splintering. She does still use a 314 shaft (always has) but she said she did like Tony's new shaft design and that it played great and will play with one if he wants to make her one. I'm pretty sure he was her sponsor at one time?
P.S. SueYen has a Black Boar cue that would knock your socks off. She's going to call me this week or so and bring it out so I can take pictures of it to share with everyone....Tony "gifted" it to her when she won some women's event. What a gift, right?
We talked about the new shaft and SueYen said that she tested the prototype a while back (years?) and really liked it, but there were some problems with splintering. She does still use a 314 shaft (always has) but she said she did like Tony's new shaft design and that it played great and will play with one if he wants to make her one. I'm pretty sure he was her sponsor at one time?
P.S. SueYen has a Black Boar cue that would knock your socks off. She's going to call me this week or so and bring it out so I can take pictures of it to share with everyone....Tony "gifted" it to her when she won some women's event. What a gift, right?
Good point.
But I think the reality is, if these cues were being offered for $1,000, there would be FAR LESS complainers. I mean, $1,000 for a cue that is being touted as a great PLAYER makes sense.
Happy Birthday !!
all the best, tony -
you da man :thumbup:
all the best, tony -
you da man :thumbup:
Well said and from my experience a cue is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If the price of these BB's isn't for you there will always be another cue FS and that's part of the fun of cue buying and collecting. No matter what your price range you can have fun owning, collecting, and playing with custom cues. What's right for one person may be wrong for the next. Buy a cue that makes you happy and enjoy it.....
James
I'm really suprised to see so many people complaining about the price. If that's what Tony wants to charge, that's his decision. He'll either find customers, or he won't. If he does, then he's priced them right. If he doesn't, then he hasn't & would need to go lower. I have a feeling that no matter how some people here feel, Tony will sell them all. :yes:
Happy Birthday Tony! :dance:
Not sure what you paid for the ebony/ivory Black Baron, but I remember sending you over 3k for it. :scratchhead:
Happy Birthday Tony! :dance:
I think the problem with the Phantom was that it was being billed as a cue that was solely about playability. All the bells and whistles were cut out and had some special design elements to it that made it a MONSTER player.
That being said, it left people thinking that this cue was being made as a player while the others were just being cranked out. John Nussbaum said that Tim and Mike were using all their knowledge that they thought would make a great player's cue and thus, came up with the Phantom.
That in turn left many people wondering... why isn't all of that knowledge going into EVERY cue they make???
The Phantom was overpriced. For all I know, they sold every one of them. And for I know, Tony will sell every one of these BBs. But that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't overpriced.
I think cuemaker's like BB,Searing,Showman,Szamboti,Manzino,Ginacue etc which in my opinion are absolutely the finest cuemaker's in the world today deserve to receive the highest price's for their cues and historically sales and resales have proven that to be true.
Tony is a master craftsman,machinest,artist and pretty much a cue making genius... and as such should and does receive more for his cues then most.
Anybody can get in the cue making business but there are a select few that are the real deal and have the talent,execution and dedication to perfection to stand head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd and Tony is one of the few.
Me personally, I buy what I like and don't care about what others think a cue should or shouldn't sell for...the values I put on cues,what I'm willing to spend are totally at my discretion...as it should be.
I would have to guess that probably 98% of the az'rs have never spent 6k on a cue or even 3k on a cue and it is because of lack of affordability.
I wonder does a person that is not in the high end price range really have a valid opinion what should one spend on high end cues...I think not,because they are not part of the market place.
Bottom line,,if you like the cue and can afford it buy it!!
Tony is a master craftsman,machinest,artist and pretty much a cue making genius... and as such should and does receive more for his cues then most.
Anybody can get in the cue making business but there are a select few that are the real deal and have the talent,execution and dedication to perfection to stand head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd and Tony is one of the few.
Me personally, I buy what I like and don't care about what others think a cue should or shouldn't sell for...the values I put on cues,what I'm willing to spend are totally at my discretion...as it should be.
I would have to guess that probably 98% of the az'rs have never spent 6k on a cue or even 3k on a cue and it is because of lack of affordability.
I wonder does a person that is not in the high end price range really have a valid opinion what should one spend on high end cues...I think not,because they are not part of the market place.
Bottom line,,if you like the cue and can afford it buy it!!
Matt,
You're hysterical thinking you need the 7.
I do have 2 Black Boars and I play with the plainer of the two. It is the SWEETEST hitting cue I have ever played with. Anyone who ever picks it up loves the way it hits. It's just perfect. If I ever lost it, I would pay $6,000 for another one, because there's nothing liking finding the "one." I love that cue, and having that feeling is worth every penny to me.
I can also tell you from the picture that the cue Tony is holding is obviously not finished, though it does have an ivory-scalloped butt cap. Tony is all about quality and craftsmanship. My cue looks great, plays better, and wears well.
As for his new shafts they play great too. I would happily put my predator shaft away if I could get my hands on one. He promised to make me one but I've fallen down on his list of who gets the cool stuff. I can't complain. He gave me two cues, a lot of knowledge, fueled my passion for the game, and gave me an appreciation for cuemaking. This is not a greedy man.
I'll post some pics as soon as I figure it out.
Sueyen
You're hysterical thinking you need the 7.
I do have 2 Black Boars and I play with the plainer of the two. It is the SWEETEST hitting cue I have ever played with. Anyone who ever picks it up loves the way it hits. It's just perfect. If I ever lost it, I would pay $6,000 for another one, because there's nothing liking finding the "one." I love that cue, and having that feeling is worth every penny to me.
I can also tell you from the picture that the cue Tony is holding is obviously not finished, though it does have an ivory-scalloped butt cap. Tony is all about quality and craftsmanship. My cue looks great, plays better, and wears well.
As for his new shafts they play great too. I would happily put my predator shaft away if I could get my hands on one. He promised to make me one but I've fallen down on his list of who gets the cool stuff. I can't complain. He gave me two cues, a lot of knowledge, fueled my passion for the game, and gave me an appreciation for cuemaking. This is not a greedy man.
I'll post some pics as soon as I figure it out.
Sueyen
Think its a shame that there are those sitting in the peanut gallery that instantly become experts on "value". I bet most of them cannot afford to even pay attention, if you don't like the price, move along, as there is nothing to see here.
Its unfair to Steve as well, as he was just passing on some information.
Its unfair to Steve as well, as he was just passing on some information.
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Cliffy, thanks for the support....you have been great.
Sueyen, I am so glad to see you step up and say some very nice things about tony. At the end of the day, because he makes so few cues a year, he isnt making any more money than the other top cuemakers.
Steve
Cliffy, thanks for the support....you have been great.
Sueyen, I am so glad to see you step up and say some very nice things about tony. At the end of the day, because he makes so few cues a year, he isnt making any more money than the other top cuemakers.
Steve
so, how did you guys rise from the "peanut gallery" and become "experts" at value? several posters in this thread have very active high end cue collections and could well afford 6k on a cue and if they they think there are better values for the money then who is to say they are wrong and you are right? does being able to afford whatever someone wants make them "experts" or "clueless??? that's twice in this thread this type of comment has been made. do you have to be able to afford anything you want to have an opinion?
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I decided to throw in my two cents worth after reading 155 replies...
I think that we are living in a new age and that we have to adapt to it. We can read it many times a week on this board that 'If only I ordered a dozen of 700 dollar priced fancy cues from Gus' or if only I bought that Bushka that was offered to me decades ago for $150.
We can't order any more cues from Gus, may he rest in peace and we can't get $700 fancy cues from our times top cue makers either.
We have to see and consider premium offerings on today's market and have to make our decisions quickly and well.
Momentarily we are being offered 6 opportunities with which we will either live or let it die.
I am not in the position of buying a six thousand dollar cue, but I am studying my butt off to help this turn into reality, but if I could, I would, for sure.
Yes, I could buy 3 cues by . . . . . ., with inlays that are shaped differently.
No, thanks, I'd rather be one of those six who possess a cue built by a great maker, and we must confess, a rather good business man, as well.
I think that we are living in a new age and that we have to adapt to it. We can read it many times a week on this board that 'If only I ordered a dozen of 700 dollar priced fancy cues from Gus' or if only I bought that Bushka that was offered to me decades ago for $150.
We can't order any more cues from Gus, may he rest in peace and we can't get $700 fancy cues from our times top cue makers either.
We have to see and consider premium offerings on today's market and have to make our decisions quickly and well.
Momentarily we are being offered 6 opportunities with which we will either live or let it die.
I am not in the position of buying a six thousand dollar cue, but I am studying my butt off to help this turn into reality, but if I could, I would, for sure.
Yes, I could buy 3 cues by . . . . . ., with inlays that are shaped differently.
No, thanks, I'd rather be one of those six who possess a cue built by a great maker, and we must confess, a rather good business man, as well.
Tap, Tap, Tap.....
I hope not. But that does seem to be the general consensus here. Unfortunately, there are a ton of people here that become experts simply by OWNING a high end cue. I never understood that.
9 out of 10 of them liekly couldn't glue two twigs together. But somehow, they are experts because A) they know which names are the big names; B) they buy based on pricetags and cuemaker clout.