Simonis Std Green 860 -- their website Fails so I ask the experts

Next time you check out the mechanic's listings, keep in mind that list of mechanic's didn't exist when I first started posting, Dartman and I talked about it as a good idea if there was a list of mechanics that people could look at to find someone in their area to work in their pool tables...and NOW, thanks to Rick....there's a list updated all the time. So don't for one second think that just because a mechanic don't post on here that there isn't a lot of eyes reading what's posted;)

Glen
 
I can't speak for Fred but thats not it I will say that much.

Exactly my point, they don't want their ideas picked on!
 
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OTLB said:
Oh and just so you know I am ahead of you on points!
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rep points as of a few minutes ago

#29 cuephoric around a million.

#204 Realkingcobra i think around 410,000

#210 n10spool 389,432

#410 Otlb tell the truth what do you got 40,000

numberof posts ididnt look
 
I fail to see what rep points, number of posts, tack strips or any of the other bs mentioned in this thread has anything to do with
Simonis Std Green 860 or the install instructions published by Simonis.

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Dartman said:
I fail to see what rep points, number of posts, tack strips or any of the other bs mentioned in this thread has anything to do with
Simonis Std Green 860 or the install instructions published by Simonis.

:boring2:
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:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:Haven't you figured it out yet Rick, all this posting in this thread is so John can try and get a thread with a higher view count than I have, so he can say he has the number one viewed thread in the mechanic's section;) He has to try and beat me in something, as he's not doing it as a mechanic:D

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:Haven't you figured it out yet Rick, all this posting in this thread is so John can try and get a thread with a higher view count than I have, so he can say he has the number one viewed thread in the mechanic's section;) He has to try and beat me in something, as he's not doing it as a mechanic:D

Glen
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Well, yea, I had noted a lot of nonsene posts that seem intended to increase post count/views.
Actually, I think I have the most viewed thread, LOL.

BTW - where you going to be Friday morning?
 
Now that RKC is having a training seminar I would like to request that since all the best guys are there that this spec be established and shared in the forum. Obviously my presence there would be counterproductive. Please don't tell me that your going to skip an opportunity to put this question to bed for good. To me and I know alot of other people this would be the best point to be established, of course I also understand not sharing the data.

Its also funny that the guys who complain about threads being interjected with non related subject matter are the same ones that do it.
 
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Now that RKC is having a training seminar I would like to request that since all the best guys are there that this spec be established and shared in the forum. Obviously my presence there would be counterproductive. Please don't tell me that your going to skip an opportunity to put this question to bed for good. To me and I know alot of other people this would be the best point to be established, of course I also understand not sharing the data.

Its also funny that the guys who complain about threads being interjected with non related subject matter are the same ones that do it.
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John, you're more than welcome to attend, as you may learn something new as well:D

Glen
 
OTLB said:
Now that RKC is having a training seminar I would like to request that since all the best guys are there that this spec be established and shared in the forum. Obviously my presence there would be counterproductive. Please don't tell me that your going to skip an opportunity to put this question to bed for good. To me and I know alot of other people this would be the best point to be established, of course I also understand not sharing the data.

Its also funny that the guys who complain about threads being interjected with non related subject matter are the same ones that do it.
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John, as Jack Zimmerman from Indiana already found out by spending a few days with me learning how I work on tables, and Donny in California, as well as Craig...I have a method that works...over and over again, and is easy to learn. But to answer your question, Simonis will have a standardized set of instructions soon enough that will explain all about how to install their cloth on pool tables....BUT, it's still up to the mechanic to learn that method, which will require some change in work habits. How much would you like to bet that sooner or later ALL other cloth manufactures will adopt my way of installing THEIR cloths as well?;) Come and learn something:D

Glen
 
I have used Glen's way alot its mainly 80% of what you do now but with a new twist and it works the results are alot better. By measuring and drawing a landmark or anchor line for the final streach makes a hugh difference in the tightness of the cloth. I have tried to modify it in different ways but find Glen has worked out the bugs and I feel it is the best way to install cloth better then anyone has taught me in 11 years.

Remember it's about consistinsy and it works,

Craig
 
n10spool said:
I have used Glen's way alot its mainly 80% of what you do now but with a new twist and it works the results are alot better. By measuring and drawing a landmark or anchor line for the final streach makes a hugh difference in the tightness of the cloth. I have tried to modify it in different ways but find Glen has worked out the bugs and I feel it is the best way to install cloth better then anyone has taught me in 11 years.

Remember it's about consistinsy and it works,

Craig
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After trying for two years or so, I finally got out with Glen to do a Diamond not too long ago. Some of the bugs that I had been trying to work out are now clear.
I've done the same thing on a couple of tables since then and got the same results.
I'm not one to get on anyone's bandwagon,and all of you know that,but consistency and proven ability are what's going to win out in this industy.
It's the only way to keep improving upon what's been done in the past all over the world.
No matter what table you are working on,you can glue down the bed,provided you have a good enough glue,which is hands down what Glen is using.
I tried a couple of others in the last few days,and they just do not hold up to the stretch.
I'm sold.
And now that I've finally seen how Glen's rails come out,and how, I've made a few changes on how I do those too.
Now if I can just figure out a way to improve upon Glen's work,I'll be happy.;)
I've got a good 26 years or so to find something now that I feel like I've started completely over.lol
Go to Chicago-
Then the East coast, West Coast, North, South and Middle of the country will all have guys that are on the same page,and get ourselves together as a group.
The hacks will hate you,but the customers will love you for it.
I'm 8 more tables away from getting on the road to Illinois myself.
Love to see a bunch of us out there at once-
It's going to happen,might as well start doing it now!:D
 
A spec is all I am looking for. The problem is this: Lets say you( the same mech) can get an extra inch out of your side to side stretch method using a dif method. Would you use that method? I know I am putting on cloth tighter now.

if glue could replace staples I would think about it, but your still stapling the pockets.
 
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A spec is all I am looking for. The problem is this: Lets say you( the same mech) can get an extra inch out of your side to side stretch method using a dif method. Would you use that method? I know I am putting on cloth tighter now.

if glue could replace staples I would think about it, but your still stapling the pockets.
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John...I assure you...you're not installing the bed cloth as tight as I do...using glue vs staples...so either come and learn something with an open mind...or just keep doing what you're doing...it's your choice, and always has been your choice;) Pockets are pockets, and always will be, but at least I can show everyone how to finish off the pockets with out coming up short on the slack needed to finish off the pockets, or having to much slack:D I'll see you there if you decide to show up:p

Glen
 
The last 2 tables I recovered using RKC's glue method didn't need any staples in the pockets. Both happened to be 8' Olhausens with Simonis 860. If you measure and stretch carefully you can get it super tight and yet still have sufficient slack to finish the pockets neatly and easily! Not saying you could do it on every table but it works most of the time. The table owners could not believe how well that glue sticks until seeing it with their own eyes. They kind of look at you funny and are thinking "why aren't you stapling the bed cloth??" :confused: Then they see the finished product and look at you kind of funny and are thinking... "SWEET" :cool: Best thing about it is how easy it is to learn, wish I would have met RKC a long time ago, but glad I did :thumbup:
 
Glen my mind is open and I understand your method. I will say it again, don't assure me, put one of those bed cloths on a GC at your training seminar, trace it with a sharpie all around the top edge and finish off the pockets but don't trim anything. Send it to me and I will attempt to put it on tighter on a GC here with my tac strips. Of course I will be happy to pay you for the cloth, shipping and the time it took to put it on and off.

If I can't put it on tighter then I will yield your method as better. BUT--- if I do put it on tighter then you should open your mind to it, don't you think. Of course since I am the only who does tables like this I am improving my methods and techniques in this regard. Wouldn't it be a surpise if I put the cloth you had on a table say and inch tighter than your method.

So lets just say: tac strips allows a mech to increase their own tightness, glue doesn't because you pull from one side.

Sit back for a minute and what would your answer be if my system works better. What would you say. Its no good because you can't do it to all tables, its cheaper than glue, no mess, no smell.

So now the question that everyone has read is my system better or yours. Send me the cloth. I have no problem admitting if my system doesn't work better, do you?

Glen do you think two guys pulling tug of war on a table is better than one?
 
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