Making Pool Interesting to Non-Fans

NewStroke

Screamin Monkey
Silver Member
I think that if Johnny Archer wore a pirate shirt and hat (or one of those Buccaneer hats with long feather) while he shot, more people would watch. In fact, this could be the next uniform for the USA Mosconi cup. The European team could dress like Vikings and Team Asia could dress like the monghols during the time of Genghis Kahn.

Think about that for a bit and it will grow on you. :)
 
What about if the WPBA starts playing topless? Maybe show on PPV or get a Playboy TV sponsorship? :)

*ducks and runs from the women of the forum and hides in a very deep cave out in the wilderness*

Brian
 
Oh, I think the US Team would be much better suited to be wearing Native American outfits complete with head-dress.

*is now also making sure the cave is not located on a Native American reservation*

Brian
 
:thumbup:Made me spill my coffee with that remark, :D

You just reminded me of the most obvious costume that I can't believe I missed! Cowboys! Complete with 10 gallon hats, riding chaps, spurs, and a Smith & Wesson strapped to their sides!

When they win they can shoot the table! :)
 
Making pool more interesting to non-fans...

One word...BIKINIS.

Look what they've done for beach volleyball.

O.K. Everyone hold up your hands if you will watch beach volleyball, but you don't regularly play volleyball and never watch indoor volleyball on TV.
 
You guys are ridiculous. I would like to see some topless pool though. I have always wanted to see Karen Corr with out the blouse!
 
You guys are ridiculous. I would like to see some topless pool though. I have always wanted to see Karen Corr with out the blouse!

There is a club there her in Charlotte that hosts (or used to host) a Saturday night scotch-doubles tournament where your partner is an "entertainer" who plays topless!

Brian
 
Honestly GOLF is Boring to watch, or even to follow in person as part of the gallery at ANY PGA EVENT, but GOLF draws how many each time it is on TV? Why I do not know. Pool is much faster than GOLF!
 
I think that if Johnny Archer wore a pirate shirt and hat (or one of those Buccaneer hats with long feather) while he shot, more people would watch. In fact, this could be the next uniform for the USA Mosconi cup. The European team could dress like Vikings and Team Asia could dress like the monghols during the time of Genghis Kahn.

Think about that for a bit and it will grow on you. :)


LOL, interesting as always....

Sex does sell.....ladies in bikinis is always a hit...

Put the guys in a Borat speedo, LOL :D

Honestly, if we just enforce a 30 second shot clock, take away defensive shots, and keep the action moving with great shots/offensive action, more people would watch.......slow play, coupled with defensive play, is boring to the average Joe or Joan....
 
Honestly GOLF is Boring to watch, or even to follow in person as part of the gallery at ANY PGA EVENT, but GOLF draws how many each time it is on TV? Why I do not know. Pool is much faster than GOLF!

It is very simple when televising golf they jump from hole to hole with the coverage so there is always some action going on. You can't do that with pool, you just have to wait until the current player is ready to shoot; that is why pool is less successful on tv than golf.
 
Honestly GOLF is Boring to watch, or even to follow in person as part of the gallery at ANY PGA EVENT, but GOLF draws how many each time it is on TV? Why I do not know. Pool is much faster than GOLF!

Can't you see the blatant contradiction in what you are saying?

One of the several reasons why many millions more people will watch televised golf than will watch televised pool is because many millions more people who are familiar with both games think pool is boring than think golf is boring.

We pool players (especially those of us who love both pool and golf) need to stop with these constant attempted comparisons with golf. No good for pool can come of it. The two sports at pro tour level are light years apart in skill levels, status, finance and acceptance/popularity with those members of the public who play neither game. No-one in the general public other than a keen pool player would even dream of trying to compare them they are so far apart.

Trust me Coco, that is a pissing contest pool can never win in any category other than "game that most parents would least like their children to take up".

Sorry for the downbeat tone but most of us live on planet earth.
 
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Can't you see the blatant contradiction in what you are saying?

One of the several reasons why many millions more people will watch televised golf than will watch televised pool is because many millions more people who are familiar with both games think pool is boring than think golf is boring.

We pool players (especially those of us who love both pool and golf) need to stop with these constant attempted comparisons with golf. No good for pool can come of it. The two sports at pro tour level are light years apart in skill levels, status, finance and acceptance/popularity with those members of the public who play neither game. No-one in the general public other than a keen pool player would even dream of trying to compare them they are so far apart.

Trust me Coco, that is a pissing contest pool can never win in any category other than "game that most parents would least like their children to take up".

Sorry for the downbeat tone but most of us live on planet earth.

Your right on status, finance, and popularity but on skill level? Bogus at best theory. Equal skill set....the complexities of both games at the highest level make your head explode, if your a golfer then fine, but if you play pool too them learn to play much better and come back here with your mind changed, because your still not a top pro. The game of pool is so simple its stupid, but no one seems to be able to master it, sounds like another game...that dude Tiger plays some.

G.G.
 
My Kinda Tournament!

There is a club there her in Charlotte that hosts (or used to host) a Saturday night scotch-doubles tournament where your partner is an "entertainer" who plays topless!

Brian

Now that sounds like a great idea!
 
And I guarantee you this, the skills are so even matched by the way that I would put money that the top pool players in the world could train with a great coach and be in the money on the PGA tour, and vice versa. Tiger Woods would be one of the best pool players on the planet if he really learned to play. The main most important factor in linking the two sports in skill set, is the mental aptitude for it.

Grey Ghost
 
And I guarantee you this, the skills are so even matched by the way that I would put money that the top pool players in the world could train with a great coach and be in the money on the PGA tour, and vice versa. Tiger Woods would be one of the best pool players on the planet if he really learned to play. The main most important factor in linking the two sports in skill set, is the mental aptitude for it.

Grey Ghost

I don't think you or anyone else, including me, can 'guarantee' (or rule out) anything but you're particularly stretching things a bit to suggest that it is guaranteed that top pool players in the world could win cash on the PGA Tour with simply the right coaching. If that were true some of them would amost certainly already be doing precisely that and by identifying such a unique method of easily finding golfers who will cash on the PGA Tour you could, if you wanted to, become the millionaire owner of a sports management company to rival IMG and the others. There are thousands, possibly tens of thousands of +3/+4/+5/+6 handicap amateurs of exceptional golf talent in addition to countless golf pros of immense talent (all of whom are exposed to extensive coaching in addition to their established inherent talent) who fail to get anywhere near even getting on the PGA Tour, let alone cashing....and some of them are pretty tough mentally. Whether we pool players like to think of this way or not Pro pool is a very small pond in which to be a big fish when compared to the ocean that is pro golf.

The realistic mathematical chances of even one (let alone several) of let's say the world's current top 500 pool pros being able after coaching to get into a cashing position on The PGA Tour are in my opinion exceptionally slim. To say that you can guarantee it is certainly a bold statement.

That being understood, you'd get no argument from me about the more generalised and far less ambitious contention of it being very likely that people with proven good hand-eye coordination and timing skills in the topmost level of one sport involving a ball or balls will have the basic ammunition to make it very possible for them to become exceptionally competent in other ball sports.

I'm in my 50's and over a 40 year time span I'm an ex semi-pro soccer player, ex first division rugby player, ex pro english 8 ball player, now 1 handicap golfer who didn't lift a golf club til I was 46 years old.......and have never had any lessons or coaching at either pool or golf...... so the general principle of the adaptability of those basic coordination and timing skills applies even at very much lower and less talented levels than found at the top, lol. It is also evident that coaching isn't always the be all and end all that some people think it is.

When my day to day profession allows me the free time and opportunity I caddy occasionally on The European PGA Tour, including for example for Danny Lee (though not in this week's event) and have some first hand experience of all kinds of mental attitudes in Pro golfers. I also agree that having the right mental make-up is crucial to the topmost level players of pool and golf......but that applies equally to many other sports and while I can certainly see where it's coming from I've never really bought wholly into this concept which some others have put forward in the past of there being a closer 'link' between pool and golf than between many other sports and golf. I also don't buy into the concept of pro pool players being significantly mentally tougher than most top exponents of their sports.

I firmly believe that in most sports possession of an inherently talented and natural set of hand-eye coordination and timing skills is more important than mental aptitude because it is in general easier to compensate for the shortcomings in the latter through possession of the former than vice-versa. That is not to devalue the possession of mental aptitude because I certainly agree that it is vital for consistent success at any level.

Discussion of the relative 'difficulty' in mastering the technical and mental skills necessary to play at the top levels of pool and golf respectively have been done to death on here over and over again and I've no intention of getting into an argument over something that cannot be definitively proved either way. They are after all two very different games. I love both games and given some practice can still play pool to a standard that most people closely familiar with the mechanics of both games would consider to be roughly the pool equivalent of a 1 handicap golfer. I have a lot to learn about both games as most people have. However with reference to your implication that I might be favouring golf because of some significant difference in my own knowledge or skill level of the two games I can only say that this isn't so and that whatever else I may be doing wrong I'm definitely not approaching the subject from a position of bias or comparative ignorance of one game over the other. I'm more or less equally skilful or equally incompetent or equally dumb or equally knowledgeable.....about both, take your pick lol.

I do fully realise that you are only saying the skill levels involved in golf and pool are roughly level. I personally can't agree. As regards the top guys, from memory I've yet to see or hear a top pro pool player who is also a very low handicap golfer state that pool skills are more difficult to master in a physical/technical sense than golf skills. I have noticed that John Schmidt for example, though he doesn't come down very strongly on this, has in the past expressed thoughts which are generally in line with the thrust of what I personally have come to believe only after many years of mulling over the question. I do think however that John and several other golfing pool pros would have a wry smile at your contention that you could guarantee them cashing on the PGA Tour if they had the right coaching.

No offence was intended to any pool player by the sentence in my earlier post which dealt with this subject and no doubt other azb'ers will have good reasons why their opinions are different to mine. As I suggested earlier there will never be concensus on this and I have no wish to try to change anyone's mind.
 
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They need BETTER billiard video games for all consoles first off.
They need to make a good movie about a player struggling to make it to the pros and fights all the way and becomes the best. (If there is such movie, please let me know. I have seen pool hall junkies so it's not that one.)

The thing billiards doesn't do well is advertise. As time goes on though, i have a feeling pool will become more known professionally...

(Dont Laugh) But with a lot of hard work, dedication, and practice i feel i can become pro and liven up the world to billiards... :thumbup:
That's actually a goal of mine.



- Draz
 
It is very simple when televising golf they jump from hole to hole with the coverage so there is always some action going on. You can't do that with pool, you just have to wait until the current player is ready to shoot; that is why pool is less successful on tv than golf.

It comes down to exactly this AND the fact the game itself atm does not have enough difficulty in it to create more challenging shots for the professional calibre players. Most of pool is shooting routine shots and getting yet again routine shape. We all know it is difficult to have that much control over the cueball and keep the game that simple, but it is still relatively boring to watch for even me when we are on rack #5 in a row where the player has not had to make a single tough bank or whatnot.

The game needs to be tougher, we need a game that brings in alot more challenging shape play, more kicks, more banking, ect... This is why I have posted my thoughts on a 15 ball rotation single point game that IMO should be the game of professional pool.

IF they went to a tougher game such as http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=146254 and then also showed highlight moments of the various matches taking place such as golf does instead of focusing on a single match such as pool does atm the game would be alot more interesting to the average joe as a spectator sport.

I like golf on TV but if it followed only one single player instead of doing what it does I think it would bore me to tears. Not sure how pool has not figured this out, you can set up alot of overhead/angled cameras and have a small number of people watching the various matches and switching between matches and showing replays of highlight shots, it would not require the huge staff and production costs that following golfers around has. This is doable in pool for not a huge amount of money.

Generally like golf you would focus more on the premier matches, we get more shots of Tiger hitting a shot then Joe The Pro. Much the same the match between SVB and Orcullo would be getting a little more attention then the one between Mike Davis and Cris Bartram, but unlike what we get now at least we would get the odd shot and look at the other matches as well rather then just ticker updates on the score.

It would be awesome if something like the US Open would actually try something like this for their streaming of the event. What do they have to lose?

This sport's current popularity as a viewer sport sucks and not rocking a boat that is already sinking is only going to give you another few minutes before you drown while moving and changing stuff MIGHT make you drown a little faster but then again you might be able to stop the leak as well and live to see another day.
 
What about if the WPBA starts playing topless? Maybe show on PPV or get a Playboy TV sponsorship? :)

*ducks and runs from the women of the forum and hides in a very deep cave out in the wilderness*

Brian

Whoa buddy, hold the phone there hero! Have you seen some of those gals? Man, I would pay some of them to keep their tops ON! lol!


Joe
 
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