Gina Cues

Mully got up on the wrong side of the mat this morning. :wink:

Ernie is one of the legendary cue makers and was around making cues when Balabushka, Paradise, and Rambow were his primary competitors - imagine that!

He has had many innovations including the mitered box cue design. He helped modernize cue making by mastering CNC techniques, and has come up with many designs that are now considered classics. He is very skilled with his hand work and has a strong work ethic. In the 1960's, Gina's became the cue of choice among many top players, especially on the West Coast.

Ernie can deliver a cue pretty fast becuase he stays on top of his workload. I consider this one of the big advantages of working with Ernie, plus Gina's hold their value really well.

I've never played with a Gina that wasn't rock solid. The playing characteristcs are not my style, but they are definitely a quality cue.


Chris

A few of the things he did was to be the first to make a slimmer cue. At a time when many cues felt like clubs he delivered a cue that felt more like an instrument. He may have been one of the first to make cues a little longer as a standard. He also recognized the value of the craft and that people would be willing to pay for higher end cues. He did make a bread and butter line of cues as well. The first Gina I had was in 1970 and it was $150.00, still a little higher then other cuemakers but affordable. The second Gina I got cost more then the car I was driving at the time.

His designs were immediately copied by pretty much every cue maker. But that being said he inspired them to come up with their own more original designs. All most were doing back then was MOP spots and diamonds. They had to improve their craft and it raised the bar for everyone. One has to remember, this was before CNC. Inlay work on many cues was pretty crude. He did it cleaner and better then most people had seen up till then. Not so say all the innovating may not have happened anyway, he moved the art of cuemaking ahead in one big jump.
 
When I said took the plunge and find out if I like it, it wasnt a knock on Ernie at all. He was the first living cue maker in the Hall of Fame. I had searched in the many posts and have not found a negitive comment. I meant spending the money. I love the appearance of the cue I purchased and I would be completely surprised if i am not totally thrilled with the playability. I am sure the cue will be capable of shots I am not. I had my list narrowed down to one of each of the following

Bender
Hercek
Searing
Southwest
Tas

Gina wasnt in the mix but I am now half way to owning one. I am not married but I do have a Lady. I had a Bender sent home that I havent seen or held yet and I asked her how it was her response is its a piece of wood. kind of like saying a Rolls is a car. I have the Bender on ebay now and I doubt it will sell. If I dont sell it I will be fine with that as well. I only have it thier for two reasons, 1, i bought it and did not have any input in the design, and two i am up on a build list shortly. I have had some nice cues in the past built for me that I let get away attempting to stay married. I cant get them back but i can replace them with current Masters.I know Ernie is one of those masters. In no way was I disparging Ernie and if it sounded that way I apoligize.

I didn't think you were being disparaging at all. I think you just bought an expensive cue and you are going to be thrilled when you get it. Matters of hit are subjective, but that being said, I still bet you almost immediately far prefer the playability over anything you have ever played with. When you get it, sit down and take a look, a close look, at every iota of fit and finish on that cue. Ernie is a complete perfectionist and the fit and finish the cue you are about to own will rival $25,000 sticks made by guys that build 15 cues a year. Great seller too. You did good. Post in this thread when you get it please.

Kevin
 
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Mully got up on the wrong side of the mat this morning. :wink:

Ernie is one of the legendary cue makers and was around making cues when Balabushka, Paradise, and Rambow were his primary competitors - imagine that!

He has had many innovations including the mitered box cue design. He helped modernize cue making by mastering CNC techniques, and has come up with many designs that are now considered classics. He is very skilled with his hand work and has a strong work ethic. In the 1960's, Gina's became the cue of choice among many top players, especially on the West Coast.

Ernie can deliver a cue pretty fast becuase he stays on top of his workload. I consider this one of the big advantages of working with Ernie, plus Gina's hold their value really well.

I've never played with a Gina that wasn't rock solid. The playing characteristcs are not my style, but they are definitely a quality cue.


Chris

Chris

What blows my mind is the time frames, such as, Ernie was building before Gus! Ernie built the Silver Gina and that ivory monster Rick Goulden owns in the mid-60s, he was in his 20s and had been doing cue making for 3 years when he made 2 of the most collectible cues ever. That's like those guys that compose symphonies when they are 8 in my book.

Kevin
 
Smart... VERY Smart!

Well I took the plunge and purchased DWBOD's Hoppe Gina, guess ill find out if I like it or not. One of the posts mentioned he made the same cue over and over again, with his rep and knowledge I am going to assume he gets them right.

VERY Smart move.

That was a great deal on a killer cue.

Give yourself some time to get use to the new stick, the be sure and post what you think of it.

I have had several, and the are some of the most consistent in terms of play and construction (Both top-notch) of ANY cue out there.

I have a few customs coming now, and if they don't work out I'm ordering my dream Gina as I KNOW that will be all the cue I'll ever need!

Enjoy your new cue!
 
I've tried an awful lot of cues over the years but have not played with anything but a Gina for the last 45+ years. In all this time I've found nothing that plays better. As a kid growing up in Chicago I knew Rambow cues very well. But when I came out to L.A. one summer and tried a Gina Titleist I just had to have one. Ernie was making cues in his garage at the time and made me a beautiful Domino cue that is one of his classics.

When I got back to Chicago everyone said "WTF, it's not a Rambow!" Until they hit it, that is. Then they said "Where can I get one?" :wink:

Still have that Domino Gina and two new additions as well.

All I can say is you will see. Yes they are beautiful to look at but it is basically not possible to describe how good they play. It is an experiential thing. But you'll see. :wink:
 
A few of the things he did was to be the first to make a slimmer cue. At a time when many cues felt like clubs he delivered a cue that felt more like an instrument. He may have been one of the first to make cues a little longer as a standard. He also recognized the value of the craft and that people would be willing to pay for higher end cues. He did make a bread and butter line of cues as well. The first Gina I had was in 1970 and it was $150.00, still a little higher then other cuemakers but affordable. The second Gina I got cost more then the car I was driving at the time.

His designs were immediately copied by pretty much every cue maker. But that being said he inspired them to come up with their own more original designs. All most were doing back then was MOP spots and diamonds. They had to improve their craft and it raised the bar for everyone. One has to remember, this was before CNC. Inlay work on many cues was pretty crude. He did it cleaner and better then most people had seen up till then. Not so say all the innovating may not have happened anyway, he moved the art of cuemaking ahead in one big jump.

Great information, thanks. The next time I see Ernie I want to ask him a few questions. My first good cue was a 1970's Gina Titlist - it was in a Corvette I had stolen from me in 1985. I liked the 'Vette but the first thing I thought of when I saw a pile of glass where my car should have been was "My Gina!". It had the initials "COYT" on the butt - I had pawned it from a pool player who couldn't pay me back.

Chris
 
I've tried an awful lot of cues over the years but have not played with anything but a Gina for the last 45+ years. In all this time I've found nothing that plays better. As a kid growing up in Chicago I knew Rambow cues very well. But when I came out to L.A. one summer and tried a Gina Titleist I just had to have one. Ernie was making cues in his garage at the time and made me a beautiful Domino cue that is one of his classics.

When I got back to Chicago everyone said "WTF, it's not a Rambow!" Until they hit it, that is. Then they said "Where can I get one?" :wink:

Still have that Domino Gina and two new additions as well.

All I can say is you will see. Yes they are beautiful to look at but it is basically not possible to describe how good they play. It is an experiential thing. But you'll see. :wink:

Please tell your son that he can sell me his future Domino now. The cue market is depressed. Nothing sells. I can help him out.

Another thing to consider is to you really want your kid having anything to do with pool?

Kevin

PS What an adventure as a kid, I love that story. Weren't you visiting relatives and have to take a bus in a big strange city to find Ernie? How could you ever sell that cue? You can't . I give up.
 
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Please tell your son that he can sell me his future Domino now. The cue market is depressed. Nothing sells. I can help him out.

Another thing to consider is to you really want your kid having anything to do with pool?

Kevin

PS What an adventure as a kid, I love that story. Weren't you visiting relatives and have to take a bus in a big strange city to find Ernie? How could you ever sell that cue? You can't . I give up.


I'll mention the offer of a reverse mortgage on the Domino to my son. :grin-square: Hopefully the market won't be depressed by the time his heirs want to sell it. I told him unless he needs the money do not sell the cue because someday it might make a down payment on a house for one of his grand kids.

Yeah, when I bought that cue from Ernie I was too young to drive, like around summer after 8th grade, I had to transfer to 3 buses to get to Ernie's house in Sherman Oaks. His house was on Greenleaf if I recall.

I would spend the summer at my grand parent's place in W. Hollywood and the closest pool room I was allowed in because of my age was in Santa Monica (19th and Wilshire, still there). I'd take the bus there every morning and stay until dinner. I'm not sure who let me try their Gina but for some reason I seem to recall it was Rusty Hamer (child actor who played the son on the "Make Room For Daddy" TV show). The thing stroked itself! Seriously, it did. All you had to do was stay out of its way and it would run racks for you. I heard Ernie was going to be at the Billiard Den in W. Hollywood one night so I walked down there from my grandparent's and slipped in so I could meet him. He gave me his address and I ordered my cue from him that week. I guess he was pretty new at cue making at the time because when he saw the cue for the first time some 40+ years later he took one look at it and told me he could tell by the SS insert it was one of the first 100 cues he ever made.

So, I've got that going for me, which is nice. :)
 
Great information, thanks. The next time I see Ernie I want to ask him a few questions. My first good cue was a 1970's Gina Titlist - it was in a Corvette I had stolen from me in 1985. I liked the 'Vette but the first thing I thought of when I saw a pile of glass where my car should have been was "My Gina!". It had the initials "COYT" on the butt - I had pawned it from a pool player who couldn't pay me back.

Chris

I had almost the same thing happen to me but it turned out OK. I came out of a bowling alley and my dome light was on and the car door was open. I looked and the case was gone. It was under the dash. I ran in the bowling alley and called the police. When they came they began to look at the car and the 8 track had been stolen. Here is the funny part. They had thrown the cue case in the back seat on the floor because it was in the way of getting the 8 track out. I could not believe they didn't take the cue. They must not have looked in the case or something.

Another time I left the cue & case, same cue, standing against the wall as I put my bags in the car at a motel. I drove maybe 50 miles when I remembered I didn't have the cue and remembered exactly what I had done. I was driving a Firebird Formula 400 at the time. I hit over a 110 as I headed back to the motel on I-95. I pull up and the case is right where I left it.
 
I'll mention the offer of a reverse mortgage on the Domino to my son. :grin-square: Hopefully the market won't be depressed by the time his heirs want to sell it. I told him unless he needs the money do not sell the cue because someday it might make a down payment on a house for one of his grand kids.

Yeah, when I bought that cue from Ernie I was too young to drive, like around summer after 8th grade, I had to transfer to 3 buses to get to Ernie's house in Sherman Oaks. His house was on Greenleaf if I recall.

I would spend the summer at my grand parent's place in W. Hollywood and the closest pool room I was allowed in because of my age was in Santa Monica (19th and Wilshire, still there). I'd take the bus there every morning and stay until dinner. I'm not sure who let me try their Gina but for some reason I seem to recall it was Rusty Hamer (child actor who played the son on the "Make Room For Daddy" TV show). The thing stroked itself! Seriously, it did. All you had to do was stay out of its way and it would run racks for you. I heard Ernie was going to be at the Billiard Den in W. Hollywood one night so I walked down there from my grandparent's and slipped in so I could meet him. He gave me his address and I ordered my cue from him that week. I guess he was pretty new at cue making at the time because when he saw the cue for the first time some 40+ years later he took one look at it and told me he could tell by the SS insert it was one of the first 100 cues he ever made.

So, I've got that going for me, which is nice. :)

That's a great cue story. You've had the bug (and that Gina) for your entire life.

Thanks

Kevin
 
I'll mention the offer of a reverse mortgage on the Domino to my son. :grin-square: Hopefully the market won't be depressed by the time his heirs want to sell it. I told him unless he needs the money do not sell the cue because someday it might make a down payment on a house for one of his grand kids.

Yeah, when I bought that cue from Ernie I was too young to drive, like around summer after 8th grade, I had to transfer to 3 buses to get to Ernie's house in Sherman Oaks. His house was on Greenleaf if I recall.

I would spend the summer at my grand parent's place in W. Hollywood and the closest pool room I was allowed in because of my age was in Santa Monica (19th and Wilshire, still there). I'd take the bus there every morning and stay until dinner. I'm not sure who let me try their Gina but for some reason I seem to recall it was Rusty Hamer (child actor who played the son on the "Make Room For Daddy" TV show). The thing stroked itself! Seriously, it did. All you had to do was stay out of its way and it would run racks for you. I heard Ernie was going to be at the Billiard Den in W. Hollywood one night so I walked down there from my grandparent's and slipped in so I could meet him. He gave me his address and I ordered my cue from him that week. I guess he was pretty new at cue making at the time because when he saw the cue for the first time some 40+ years later he took one look at it and told me he could tell by the SS insert it was one of the first 100 cues he ever made.

So, I've got that going for me, which is nice. :)


OK, as long as we're all "sharing," previously on General Hospital:

I owned an eight-point Gina when I was a teenager, growing up in SF. ALL the top players on the West Coast, at that time, used a Gina -- a few, played with a TAD. I bought it off a fellow named Dennis, who, in a moment of temporary insanity, sold it to me -- with three shafts and a black alligator Gina case -- for $150. Several years later, I sold it back to him for $250. Ah, youth.

Flash forward 25 years or so and for our tenth anniversary, my wife asked me what I would like for the event (keep in mind that I had a custom made,1 carat emerald cut diamond, with baguettes, in the works for her). I blurted out that I always regretted selling that Gina, so many years ago. She said, "If he's still around making cues, get on the phone and get what you want."

I called Ernie and told him the story and described the cue I had previously owned. He said, yes, he remembered the cue, but didn't make them quite that way any more, and if I wanted one, he'd have to pull out the drawings, spend some time on the computer, and reload the specs. I said great, but with some small changes: I wanted the joint, the inlays, and butt plate in ivory, and a leather wrap. He said no problem and that he would be happy to charge me appropriately. He said eight months.

Six months later he called and said he was sending leather samples for the wrap. He also said that when he looked at the drawings, he saw that he use to make this particular cue with an additional ring below that wrap that I had forgotten to mention. He said he took the liberty of adding it, in ivory, at no additional charge, so that it would look just like the cue I had previously owned.

A week later it was in my hands. It was absolutely flawless -- exactly as I remembered it, but better.

As to it's playing characteristics, I will tell you the following in complete honesty: when I first got it, I wasn't sure I liked the way it hit. It's a firm solid hit, that somehow, sounds soft. Sorry, I can't describe it any other way. In fact, it was only after three or four other players asked to take a few shots with the cue, that I could hear how soft a hit it had (with hard Mooris).

But nonetheless, despite my minor misgivings, I seemed to make a lot of balls with the cue. After just two days, I felt like I was playing a couple of balls better with this cue than I had with any other. I dismissed it as just being "new cue syndrome."

But then, people started telling me (mostly opponents I was relieving of cash) that I had suddenly improved two balls. My practice runs jumped way up. My confidence went way up. After a couple of months I called Ernie and told him how much I loved the cue.

And then I asked, "You know, everyone tells me I'm playing two balls better than before with your cue."

And he said, "I've built special test equipment and my cues are 97% accurate. The cue alone is worth a ball and a half."

Now, you can take that as "a sales story," or hype, or PR or whatever you want. But for my money, you couldn't pull this cue out of my hands with a Mac diesel.

IMO, Ernie is THE greatest living cuemaker. And, IMO, you should get one while you can. It will cost you. But it will be worth every single last penny.

Lou Figueroa
 
OK, as long as we're all "sharing," previously on General Hospital:

I owned an eight-point Gina when I was a teenager, growing up in SF. ALL the top players on the West Coast, at that time, used a Gina -- a few, played with a TAD. I bought it off a fellow named Dennis, who, in a moment of temporary insanity, sold it to me -- with three shafts and a black alligator Gina case -- for $150. Several years later, I sold it back to him for $250. Ah, youth.

Flash forward 25 years or so and for our tenth anniversary, my wife asked me what I would like for the event (keep in mind that I had a custom made,1 carat emerald cut diamond, with baguettes, in the works for her). I blurted out that I always regretted selling that Gina, so many years ago. She said, "If he's still around making cues, get on the phone and get what you want."

I called Ernie and told him the story and described the cue I had previously owned. He said, yes, he remembered the cue, but didn't make them quite that way any more, and if I wanted one, he'd have to pull out the drawings, spend some time on the computer, and reload the specs. I said great, but with some small changes: I wanted the joint, the inlays, and butt plate in ivory, and a leather wrap. He said no problem and that he would be happy to charge me appropriately. He said eight months.

Six months later he called and said he was sending leather samples for the wrap. He also said that when he looked at the drawings, he saw that he use to make this particular cue with an additional ring below that wrap that I had forgotten to mention. He said he took the liberty of adding it, in ivory, at no additional charge, so that it would look just like the cue I had previously owned.

A week later it was in my hands. It was absolutely flawless -- exactly as I remembered it, but better.

As to it's playing characteristics, I will tell you the following in complete honesty: when I first got it, I wasn't sure I liked the way it hit. It's a firm solid hit, that somehow, sounds soft. Sorry, I can't describe it any other way. In fact, it was only after three or four other players asked to take a few shots with the cue, that I could hear how soft a hit it had (with hard Mooris).

But nonetheless, despite my minor misgivings, I seemed to make a lot of balls with the cue. After just two days, I felt like I was playing a couple of balls better with this cue than I had with any other. I dismissed it as just being "new cue syndrome."

But then, people started telling me (mostly opponents I was relieving of cash) that I had suddenly improved two balls. My practice runs jumped way up. My confidence went way up. After a couple of months I called Ernie and told him how much I loved the cue.

And then I asked, "You know, everyone tells me I'm playing two balls better than before with your cue."

And he said, "I've built special test equipment and my cues are 97% accurate. The cue alone is worth a ball and a half."

Now, you can take that as "a sales story," or hype, or PR or whatever you want. But for my money, you couldn't pull this cue out of my hands with a Mac diesel.

IMO, Ernie is THE greatest living cuemaker. And, IMO, you should get one while you can. It will cost you. But it will be worth every single last penny.

Lou Figueroa


Great post Lou... I know exactly what you mean when you refer to the hit... One thing I might add is that I get more action and power from my Gina with half the effort... great feedback as well.

Also.. Ernie can and will make any cue that you want... most people just choose one of the designs he has cataloged. That wouldn't make him a catalog cue maker... Just ask him to build you something one of a kind and he'll definitely do it.. no problem. Just be prepared to pay for it. :wink:
 
Guys thanks for all the feed back and interesting personal exsperiances. I am looking forward to getting hands on and table time. i am sure this will be a keeper. Once I get some cloth time I will give a response with my personal thoughts.
 
Guys thanks for all the feed back and interesting personal exsperiances. I am looking forward to getting hands on and table time. i am sure this will be a keeper. Once I get some cloth time I will give a response with my personal thoughts.

Waiting for your response cause like you, I am still waiting for my first Gina to touch down in my lair.
 
Mully got up on the wrong side of the mat this morning. :wink:

You know, after going back and reading what I wrote, it does look like I was being a pompous ass. I apologize for that. It didn't sound as bad to me, in my head, when I wrote it.

You're going to love that Gina, man. Everything everyone is saying is this thread is dead on. Gina cues are top shelf. The only Gina I was never really fond of was this ebony/ivory monster that this guy that owns the pool hall here has. Ebony is just doesn't do it for me, playing wise that is. There hasn't been a maple forearm Gina that I've not fallen in love with the first time I hit a ball with it though.

Congrats on the purchase and hey, this thread is useless without pics. Post them up when you get it.
MULLY
 
Mully you werent a pompus ass you just thought I was a complete idoit,lol. If you talk to my girl friend she will confirm at times I am. I could have and should have worded it better as well, no harm no foul. I feel the seller and I both got a fair deal on the cue and I do not have any buyers remorse and once I lay hands on it I am sure I will have a BIG SMILE!

I just wasnt considering shelling out funds for a cue but seeing it struck a cord in my pocket book. That is what I get for scrolling these pages. I live in Alaska and I have seen and owned some nice cues , Eric Crisp used to live thier, Thomas Watne did and may still, Mike Bender does etc. I just hadnt been fortunate enough to see let alone shoot with a Gina. I even appricate your comments as you definately have an opinion, take care, Randy
 
OK Ernies are not full Splice niether are

Stoud
Scruggs
Bender
Hayley
Searing
Schick
Kiekel
Southwest
White
and 100 more

Full Splice

Hercek
Tas
Black
Blackcreek

A few more


The vast majority today are not full splice although more are falling back to it.

I am interested in his joint construction, the pictures i have seen appear piloted with a different thread, although I am sure he is capable of any joint.

Thanks


Are you sure on this Schick thing here buddy. I am not saying all of cues are full splice but I know alot of them have been and I was just in his shop and and he handed me a full splice forearm that he had made in the mid 70's and said that would be his cue one day. I think if you take apart any of Bills veneered 4 pointers from 75 to Y2K I think you will find a full splice same as a Bushka. I could be wrong but he seem to think a full splice hit better.

In the last few years I believe he has made alot of fancy cues which are not full spliced 4 poiters with veneers. Maybe some collecters or knowledgable people can chime in on this detail. Not trying to hijack the thread just sharing info.

Dana Stephenson - elvi
Indianapolis IN
 
Shick, no I am not 100 percent certain on the Shick cue, I very well maybe mistaken. I know the one I let get away was one sweet hitting cue. I know where it is or was but I cant bring myself to pay what they want for it. I am not saying it isnt worth it but I cant justify it. It tee's me off to as it was my wood.
 
Gina Cue

Since everyone has vented about Gina Cues I would like to share my Gina Story. I have been hooked on Pool / Cues since I was 11 years old and 49 years later the beat goes on. I first had the pleasure of meeting Ernie at the WPA tourament in Chicago in 1994, I filled out a customer information sheet and not long after I recieved a Grey envelope with a price list and glossy photos of his cues, the cues ranged from 1200.00 to 6000.00.

My first impression of Ernie was "Class", he worn a silver suit and a dark flashy tie to boot! I never did order a Gina cue, always wanted one but never pulled the trigger.

Years later and many cues later I found AZ, the Gina thing starts up again and I wanted one. Well along came Kevin and not too long after we struck up a frendship, talked about all kinds of cues, some I aquired form Kevin and the rest is history. Kevin did his magic, I contacted Ernie and would you believe he had me in his data base since 1994, talk about beinig orginazed!

Thanks to Kevin I have a very special Gina cue, I am not ready to let the cat out of the bag on this one but I will tell you this, it bridges the past, present and the future in cue making and the cue is P-E-R-F-E-C-T!

So there it, is my Gina stroy. Erine has been around since Rambow, Paradise, Balabushka and Spain, he made cues for the iHollywood in crowd, the Rat Pack, the Pro's, the every day pool player like you and me and is still making cues to perfection to this day!

Enjoy,

BBC
 
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