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RunoutJJ

RunoutJJ

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Who on here considers themselves a Pro caliber player?? I play at a VERY solid +B to A level but would that make a pro level player?? i consider myself a low level Pro but would that be a wrong thing to say?? I mean i get out consistanely but not all the time. I would put my shooting percentage around the low 800 mark..

Thoughts.....
 
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This is a thread where that little 'Search' button can be your best friend! :wink:
 
I'm not a pro; B+ / A

I think we would play even based on your response, however I know I'm not a pro. I've got to be a solid AA player/Shortstop to even consider it. I would consider that level semi-pro. I think our level of play would be considered "Amateur-Advanced". Those are my 2cents.
Cheers, Mark
 
what state are you from? did you compete in the state tourney and how did you do? or what tournement have you competed in? this should create some sort of a guide line. please respond
 
Hmmm...........who's a pro. Not me............I'm more of an Al Bundy or Terry Malloy from "On the Waterfront" type. "I coulda been a contenda" ! :grin-square:
 
I use to play in the USPPA. When i left i was an 85 (most say 100 is at the pro level) but that was over 5 year ago and im playing way better than that now. Last time i played APA in NC i was a 7 and that was almost ten years ago :eek:

I was the house pro at Belltown Billiards for awhile in Seattle so i don't know what to make of it. To the public i was a pro but if that were the case there was a lot of pro's around me. Dan Louie... Bryce... Jon Horsfall... Richie Guiler... Stan T... JD... Harry Platis... a few hustlers that stayed out of the spotlight. Shit when i played Stan i lost 7-5 and thought that was pretty good.

While at Belltown Billiards i ran Tournaments and group seminars. Worked private parties (doing trick shots and mini tournaments) and ate steak and drank wine everyday :cool:

I would think my USPPA rating should be around 115 or so. Billy Palmer was rated a 150 when i was there. Corey Deuel played once and he was put in as a 175 :eek: He had to give Palmer two games in a race to five :lol:
 
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Pro?

pretty impressive resume' sounds like you need to enter in a pro tourney or 2 and see how you fair. you'll do fine. I wish you the best of luck. Donnie:)
 
Nail on the Head!!

I live near DC and really wanted to make the Open this year but couldn't. To be completely honest with myself my goal was to win at least one or two matches. The field there is PLENTY tough (not to meantion the tables) so i set realistic goals for myself. Some said, "Well why play if you think you cant win it??" :lol: They dont understand its not always about winning in the Open. How often do you get to play Johnny Archer or Efren?? Not that often right?? I think of the Open as the true test for you as a player and a chance to be the best!!! Who knows you could play the best pool in your life and come into the cash rounds or you can get the good ol 2 and out like so many of the GREAT pros that play in it every year. You never rreally know. Its like anything else. You got to be in it to win it :wink:
 
Been trying to get into some of the big ones in Maryland but work keeps getting in the way. I use to have weekends off and then someone quit and the manager wanted to break up the weekend.

Might have a new job starting December 5th and one of my hiring requirements is that i have to have Saturday and Sunday off.

Been looking at some of the Tours in the greater DC area, PA and NYC. Might have to make a trip up there to see Mr. Robles and Ginky
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Like i said i consider myself a low level pro. I cant beat professional on a daily basis but that was the point of the thread. Is there such thing as a low level pro or semi-pro... Top Amateur and all that. And which would considered the right thing to tell people?/

Maybe more like a top amateur. :)
 
do you think you got that knowledge/and skill set? think about other pro athletes...

compared to the thousands in other sports that are "pro's" and the fact that the BCA lists only what like 200 pro men (which i think is BS) and the fact that there is no real pro tour of anykind....call yourself what ever you want, especially if you make a good chunk of your income off the game.

Just b/c someone doesn't have a hit album playing guitar does that not make them a professional guitarist?

The "pro's" are just the elite of the elite, if someone is an open player I lean to call them a professional, for the lone reason that an open caliber player has the knowledge and skill of a top pro...they mostly just lack the stronger mental game.


I think that was a good and honest question, hope that was a good enough and honest answer for ya.

Grey Ghost
 
Yeah ghost i do like that :smile:

Once somebody tried to tell me i wasn't a pro when i was working as a house pro at Belltown Billiards. So i talked to a pool buddy of mine and he asked me, "Well do they do pay you to be the House Pro there right??" I said, "Sure they do." He then said, "Well if your getting paid to be a house pro that makes you a pro right?? "Your income is made in pool right??"

So there ya go. :lol:
 
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I think I give a couple criteria for a pro player.

1) Capable of winning a tournament

2) Someone who sustains a living playing pool

I don't like the word semi pro, or lower level pro...
 
RunoutJJ said:
Yeah ghost i do like that :smile:

Once somebody tried to tell me i wasn't a pro when i was working as a house pro at Belltown Billiards. So i talked to a pool buddy of mine and he asked me, "Well do they do pay you to be the House Pro there right??" I said, "Sure they do." He then said, "Well if your getting paid to be a house pro that makes you a pro right?? "Your income is made in pool right??"

So there ya go. :lol:
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well i mean its the truth, people think that you gotta be on espn to be a pro or something...its retarted. How many pro baseball/football players have never even seen the field? Just b/c a player isn't world class doesn't mean he/she ain't a pro. Players even snub the trick shot artists...oh well they are not pros just trick shot artists, F*K that they are pros.

The trick shot artists probably make more consistent money than the dam "pros" do, being that they give exhibitions and such. Who the heck is going to pay a pro just to come in a run some racks? Not many but some pay to see some art on a table from guys like massey,siegel, pelinga etc....friggin he who's name we shall not speak (fast larry) probably makes more than many of the pros lmao

Pool players are some of the most territorial and negative people around, others want to talk trash b/c a great player might not gamble. Well who cares? Tommy Kennedy don't gamble but the guys is one of the best pool players walkin the planet. Don't let others judge you, judge yourself for your the only one that counts.

Self don't lie to self, self lies to others only
Grey Ghost
 
RunoutJJ said:
Who on here considers themselves a Pro caliber player?? I play at a VERY solid +B to A level but would that make a pro level player?? i consider myself a low level Pro but would that be a wrong thing to say?? I mean i get out consistanely but not all the time. I would put my shooting percentage around the low 800 mark..

Thoughts.....
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To me, a B+ to A level is nowhere close to being Pro.

Getting out consistently is important because Pro's do that; however, IMO what separates a Pro from an Open Player and lower (A's) are the more subtle things like kicking and defense.

Pro's kicking and defense are much more refined than at lower levels of play. They are not kicking to just hit the ball; they are kicking to hit a specific side of the ball and controlling the cue ball to play a safe back at their opponent. For Defense, they are locking up the cue ball to another ball, not just trying to hide it from their opponent. And they do this consistently; not once in a while.

These are the things, IMO, that separate the lower level players, including A's from Pro level.
 
I am a pro when I watch them play. As soon as I am on the table I realize how bad I am.
 
Man , your really good!

RunoutJJ said:
I use to play in the USPPA. When i left i was an 85 (most say 100 is at the pro level) but that was over 5 year ago and im playing way better than that now. Last time i played APA in NC i was a 7 and that was almost ten years ago :eek:

I was the house pro at Belltown Billiards for awhile in Seattle so i don't know what to make of it. To the public i was a pro but if that were the case there was a lot of pro's around me. Dan Louie... Bryce... Jon Horsfall... Richie Guiler... Stan T... JD... Harry Platis... a few hustlers that stayed out of the spotlight. Shit when i played Stan i lost 7-5 and thought that was pretty good.

While at Belltown Billiards i ran Tournaments and group seminars. Worked private parties (doing trick shots and mini tournaments) and ate steak and drank wine everyday :cool:

I would think my USPPA rating should be around 115 or so. Billy Palmer was rated a 150 when i was there. Corey Deuel played once and he was put in as a 175 :eek: He had to give Palmer two games in a race to five :lol:
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Congratulations on reaching levels I'll never reach because of my age.(Or lack of skill) You have every right to be proud of your achievements. Now shut the fukc up. Play your game and win quietly when you can win and lose graciously when you do lose. Because you will. And if you ever play and beat me and start with your arrogant look how good I am bullship you will no longer need a case for your stick because it will be up your azz , big end first.
Now I know I'm going to get hell for saying that but I can't tolerate this name dropping punk comparing himself to the Pros. He doesn't have a clue.:mad:
 
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