Slip Stroke

absolutely no apology needed

Hu:

Apologies I noticed this only now. Also apologies if my post implied you didn't know who Jimmy Moore was -- of course I know you do. Sometimes in the spirit of giving away information ("what's mine, is now yours" is my credo in life), me fleet fingers get carried away, channeling the thoughts to the written text on the screen.

Yup, I do remember that Blackjack tribute video to Pat Howey -- that's the one you were thinking of, no?

-Sean

Sean,

Absolutely no apology needed. A complicated sentence but I never thought you thought I didn't know who Jimmy Moore was; I just thought I would remember if it was Jimmy. Can't remember ever seeing him play in person but I enjoyed him on TV.

Blackjack sent me a little short clip or a link to something he was editing, I forget which. It wasn't the whole tribute. Once I saw his name, I'm almost certain it was Pat Howey in the video. I went back and read through a bunch of Pat's posts after his name was mentioned yesterday, good reading!

I finally found video showing a slip stroke pretty well and posted it above. Wayne uses a variety of strokes though so there is more than just a slip stroke shown.

Hu
 
yeah that's Wayne in the video...

Sean,

Absolutely no apology needed. A complicated sentence but I never thought you thought I didn't know who Jimmy Moore was; I just thought I would remember if it was Jimmy. Can't remember ever seeing him play in person but I enjoyed him on TV.

Blackjack sent me a little short clip or a link to something he was editing, I forget which. It wasn't the whole tribute. Once I saw his name, I'm almost certain it was Pat Howey in the video. I went back and read through a bunch of Pat's posts after his name was mentioned yesterday, good reading!

I finally found video showing a slip stroke pretty well and posted it above. Wayne uses a variety of strokes though so there is more than just a slip stroke shown.

Hu


Wayne gave me one of the best complements I've ever gotten...

I used to live in Orange about two blocks from Danny K's while I was going to college and I was in there playing some hickey pool after one of the tourneys and someone left me at the lower end of the table with a ball about six inches out of the corner pocket at the other end of the table. I shot the ball into the corner and drew the CB back to sit against the rail so that the incoming player didn't have a shot and Wayne looked at me with a wide eyed expression and said "If I had a stroke like that, I'd frame it"...

I kind of laughed a little and ended up losing the hickee pool match...I think Ramin won it, of course he was still going by vincent back then....

Jaden

edit: It's kind of funny that this would come up and remind me of this now that I'm using tsukamaki to wrap my cues, because I would go into Danny K's every Wednesday night back then right after my Nipongo (Japanese) class in College. I wish I could still read and write in hiragana and katakana...I need to refresh myself...lol
 
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Compliments are always nice

Jaden,

Compliments are always nice, most especially when they are coming from an accomplished player.

I'm woefully ignorant when it comes to the Japanese swords, much less the tsukamaki used to wrap the handle. One of the few things I remember is how few folds it takes to get the forty thousand or so layers that make up the blade. I have used the opposing hands to generate a lot of speed and impact too, can't remember what I was doing at the moment.

I keep thinking there is probably a way to vastly increase the pitifully slow speed we all break at using something from martial arts. A friend threw a baseball through the traps at 99.8 miles an hour three times when trying out for the Houston Astros. That makes even a thirty mile an hour break seem slow. Seems like we should be able to break far faster than the more typical low twenties or less most of us break at.

Hu


Wayne gave me one of the best complements I've ever gotten...

I used to live in Orange about two blocks from Danny K's while I was going to college and I was in there playing some hickey pool after one of the tourneys and someone left me at the lower end of the table with a ball about six inches out of the corner pocket at the other end of the table. I shot the ball into the corner and drew the CB back to sit against the rail so that the incoming player didn't have a shot and Wayne looked at me with a wide eyed expression and said "If I had a stroke like that, I'd frame it"...

I kind of laughed a little and ended up losing the hickee pool match...I think Ramin won it, of course he was still going by vincent back then....

Jaden

edit: It's kind of funny that this would come up and remind me of this now that I'm using tsukamaki to wrap my cues, because I would go into Danny K's every Wednesday night back then right after my Nipongo (Japanese) class in College. I wish I could still read and write in hiragana and katakana...I need to refresh myself...lol
 
different folds for different folks....

Jaden,

Compliments are always nice, most especially when they are coming from an accomplished player.

I'm woefully ignorant when it comes to the Japanese swords, much less the tsukamaki used to wrap the handle. One of the few things I remember is how few folds it takes to get the forty thousand or so layers that make up the blade. I have used the opposing hands to generate a lot of speed and impact too, can't remember what I was doing at the moment.

Hu

yeah, they will actually use different folds for different parts of the blade. The back of the blade will have steel that has less folds and the edge will have the most. This keeps the blade from shattering upon impact with another blade. Then theyl cover the backbone with a mixture of clay and other materials , sometimes blood, and leave the edge exposed for the final tempering. This is what causes the curve in the blade. The back isnt as high a temperature so the metal isnt expanded as much when it is tempered




this in combination with the steel of the backbone not haviing been folded as much makes the steel softer and the final tempering is also what creates the beautiful sometimes rainbow like crystaline hamon in the blade.

jaden

Edit: I submitted this on my phone so I thought I'd add a few things to better illustrate from my computer. With each fold, they would add a mixture of various things (different for each sword maker) and raise the temperature to a certain level prior to welding the fold to the rest of the steel, this is what creates the high carbon content in japanese swords. The less folds and different materials and amounts of materials in the backbone of the swords made the metal softer with less or different types of carbon content which made it more pliable and shatter resistent. While the edge had many folds with thousands of layers each having carbon content from the mixtures that were added in between the folds prior to each fold's welding. this made the edge extremely hard and able to be made sharper than practically anything else. It also helped it to hold its edge longer.

Sorry to derail the thread, just a subject of interest to me....








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It is a slipstroke, just a little one. Jimmy Moore had a big one. If you haven't already, watch that 3rd video that I posted earlier in the thread (the vimeo one) at the time marks cited. He slips on the final backswing by a couple of inches.

As for whether Mosconi used it in the 60's, he did. I have a DVD of a 1963 television match of Mosconi vs. Caras. I just studied it and there were about three shots where it was visible (but pretty grainy). He did the same couple of inches slip as seen in the later videos.

We obviously have different definitions of just what a slip stroke is.

One of the best players in my area used a very pronounced one.
As he was pulling the cue back - he would let his hand 'slip' backwards
also. That is the clasic slip stroke. And, that is not what Mosconi did.

As I said on a previous episode - Willie, sometimes, repositions his
hand slightly rearward before he starts the backswing - not the same thing.

FWIW - I have had the Mosconi instructional video for 15+ years
and viewed it many times.

Dale
 
rickey simpson from stone wall mississippi has a beautiful slip stroke. anyone ever heard of him?
 
Wayne Norcross's slip-stroke & style reminds me of Johnny Ervolino

Jaden,

By all means, please post pictures. I was thinking about a wrap with a grain that slipped one way and grabbed the other last night when I was working on the slip stroke. One minor note, my initial problem wasn't a lack of power with a slip stroke, it was too much power.

After a lot of digging I finally found video of a slip stroke where you can see the slip stroke pretty good. The video itself is fairly bad especially the first third. Watching it full screen I was starting to get a little seasick. Wayne Norcross owns all of the strokes and uses whichever suits him best for each situation so you will see a slip stroke, stroke-slip, and little or no movement of the stick in the grip hand.

Hu

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...6e7EYjMqgKlnMiKBw&q=slip+stroke&hl=en&view=2#

Hu:

Wayne Norcross's short slip-stroke and compact style in general reminds me of the late/great Johnny "Velvet Foghorn" Ervolino:

1995 14.1 Maine Event- Strickland vs Ervolino
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXjj_eL7rU&videos=TFG61iQ4rtM&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1

It's striking, to me, how similar Wayne N. and Johnny Ervolino play!

Thoughts?
-Sean
 
We obviously have different definitions of just what a slip stroke is.

One of the best players in my area used a very pronounced one.
As he was pulling the cue back - he would let his hand 'slip' backwards
also. That is the clasic slip stroke. And, that is not what Mosconi did.

As I said on a previous episode - Willie, sometimes, repositions his
hand slightly rearward before he starts the backswing - not the same thing.

FWIW - I have had the Mosconi instructional video for 15+ years
and viewed it many times.

Dale

Well, fair enough, we see things differently. Let's leave it at that.
 
14.1 style

Hu:

Wayne Norcross's short slip-stroke and compact style in general reminds me of the late/great Johnny "Velvet Foghorn" Ervolino:

1995 14.1 Maine Event- Strickland vs Ervolino
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXjj_eL7rU&videos=TFG61iQ4rtM&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1

It's striking, to me, how similar Wayne N. and Johnny Ervolino play!

Thoughts?
-Sean



Sean,

I couldn't see Johnny's back hand when he shot most of the time in the first section and I'm fixing to have to run down the road for awhile. However that tight compact style is still the best in my mind. That is the old straight pool style I learned from watching the old men in the pool hall when I started playing. I'm a wee bit biased but I think that playing like that will make you more money than traveling the cue ball a lot, regardless of what game you are playing.

Hu
 
14.1 style -- short/compact

Sean,

I couldn't see Johnny's back hand when he shot most of the time in the first section and I'm fixing to have to run down the road for awhile. However that tight compact style is still the best in my mind. That is the old straight pool style I learned from watching the old men in the pool hall when I started playing. I'm a wee bit biased but I think that playing like that will make you more money than traveling the cue ball a lot, regardless of what game you are playing.

Hu

Hu:

I couldn't agree more with your observations about the tight/compact style. Personally, I shoot with a snooker style, shoulders square to the shot, both feet pointing directly into (and not angled out from) the shot, thereby making all my legs joints point into the shot for consistency. The only modification I've made is that I use primarily a closed loop bridge, not an open bridge. Used to use the "overlapping finger" (i.e. index finger located on top of, and pressed down onto, the first joint of the middle finger -- a la Filipino style), but I've since migrated away from it for a couple reasons.

What I was trying to point out with the "compact style" observation, was more due to the inherent characteristic of the slip-stroke itself -- and that is the significantly forward placement of the grip hand during the practice strokes. This forward placement of the grip hand is, of course, necessary to put the grip hand forward of perihelion in the pendulum, so that when it's time to initiate the slip stroke, the back hand is moving downwards and away from the grip area of the cue, in effect -- and for a very split second before gravity takes effect -- leaving the cue "suspended" in mid air until the hand reaches the grip area where the regrip takes place. (I use the gravity analogy with loose license here; obviously gravity is ALWAYS pulling down on the cue and is never really "suspended" in mid air, but rather to point out the speed of the regrip -- it has to be quick enough so that the cue doesn't "re-rest" into the hand and be affected by the backward motion of the gripping hand prematurely.)

I played with a slip stroke for a long time, and still have it in my bag o' tricks when I need it, or when I'm bored with my play and want to change things up a bit. That slip stroke sure feels good, and "magical" as you'd observed. But after studying and playing snooker these past couple of years, I'd found that the slip stroke's slip-and-regrip actually very slightly threw a little yaw into my cue delivery -- very, very slight, mind you -- but this became strikingly evident on a snooker table, when I thought I was dead-nuts straight on a straight-in long shot, and ended up bobbling the ball between the rounded areas of the snooker table's pocket corners. I didn't notice it on the pool table, because one doesn't need the level of accuracy that's required on a snooker table. But that yaw was there nonetheless, and I had to make quick changes to adapt (unfortunately the slip stroke went into the long-term storage bins of my mind).

Nowadays, my grip hand is anchored to the point on the grip I choose when I pull the trigger (I may make minor adjustments on the placement of my grip hand on the grip area when I'm down on the shot, but once I begin my practice strokes, it's anchored there, and maintains control of the cue at all times -- no yaw introduced during that uncertain time while the "cue's in the air" during a slip-and-regrip).

Oh, and cue ball travel? Boo, hiss. As you probably noticed from my avatar's moniker, and past posts from me concerning rotations games like 9-/10-ball, I'm not a fan of crazy cue ball action. I like short/tight games like straight pool and one-hole (but can move and play up-table games in the latter). If I had my way, all my games would be a "Cosmo" like the old-timers like to call them -- every shot a stop shot! :D

Great thread and great conversation I'm seeing in it! Whenever I see this thread "go bold" in the list of threads -- meaning a new post in it -- I open it up right away, for I'm sure to see something interesting to read!

P.S.: you might have to watch Johnny Ervolino's nice extended run for a little while to catch a camera view of his slip stroke, but you'll see it plain as day. Johnny's slip-and-regrip is quicker than Wayne Norcross's, but that's because Wayne has a little bit more "casual" stroke than Johnny Ervolino's.

-Sean
 
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Thanks JohnnyP

I made that video of Wayne about a year ago. I posted the link upthread.

Here's another one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4238682407778400059#


Wayne does hit em good. Pretty stroke. Sorry about ugly'in up some background. If you see Wayne-say hello please. I just don't get out.

I sure like that cue accelerometer device of yours that records and displays the speed of the stroke, hit, and followthru on a screen. It would be so cool to record a variety of Pros hitting the same battery of shots to see how much the strokes are the same or different.

Take care-You and Mrs Johnny.

3railkick
Bill
 
Good points and very interesting

Hu:

I couldn't agree more with your observations about the tight/compact style. Personally, I shoot with a snooker style, shoulders square to the shot, both feet pointing directly into (and not angled out from) the shot, thereby making all my legs joints point into the shot for consistency. The only modification I've made is that I use primarily a closed loop bridge, not an open bridge. Used to use the "overlapping finger" (i.e. index finger located on top of, and pressed down onto, the first joint of the middle finger -- a la Filipino style), but I've since migrated away from it for a couple reasons.

What I was trying to point out with the "compact style" observation, was more due to the inherent characteristic of the slip-stroke itself -- and that is the significantly forward placement of the grip hand during the practice strokes. This forward placement of the grip hand is, of course, necessary to put the grip hand forward of perihelion in the pendulum, so that when it's time to initiate the slip stroke, the back hand is moving downwards and away from the grip area of the cue, in effect -- and for a very split second before gravity takes effect -- leaving the cue "suspended" in mid air until the hand reaches the grip area where the regrip takes place. (I use the gravity analogy with loose license here; obviously gravity is ALWAYS pulling down on the cue and is never really "suspended" in mid air, but rather to point out the speed of the regrip -- it has to be quick enough so that the cue doesn't "re-rest" into the hand and be affected by the backward motion of the gripping hand prematurely.)

I played with a slip stroke for a long time, and still have it in my bag o' tricks when I need it, or when I'm bored with my play and want to change things up a bit. That slip stroke sure feels good, and "magical" as you'd observed. But after studying and playing snooker these past couple of years, I'd found that the slip stroke's slip-and-regrip actually very slightly threw a little yaw into my cue delivery -- very, very slight, mind you -- but this became strikingly evident on a snooker table, when I thought I was dead-nuts straight on a straight-in long shot, and ended up bobbling the ball between the rounded areas of the snooker table's pocket corners. I didn't notice it on the pool table, because one doesn't need the level of accuracy that's required on a snooker table. But that yaw was there nonetheless, and I had to make quick changes to adapt (unfortunately the slip stroke went into the long-term storage bins of my mind).

Nowadays, my grip hand is anchored to the point on the grip I choose when I pull the trigger (I may make minor adjustments on the placement of my grip hand on the grip area when I'm down on the shot, but once I begin my practice strokes, it's anchored there, and maintains control of the cue at all times -- no yaw introduced during that uncertain time while the "cue's in the air" during a slip-and-regrip).

Oh, and cue ball travel? Boo, hiss. As you probably noticed from my avatar's moniker, and past posts from me concerning rotations games like 9-/10-ball, I'm not a fan of crazy cue ball action. I like short/tight games like straight pool and one-hole (but can move and play up-table games in the latter). If I had my way, all my games would be a "Cosmo" like the old-timers like to call them -- every shot a stop shot! :D

Great thread and great conversation I'm seeing in it! Whenever I see this thread "go bold" in the list of threads -- meaning a new post in it -- I open it up right away, for I'm sure to see something interesting to read!

P.S.: you might have to watch Johnny Ervolino's nice extended run for a little while to catch a camera view of his slip stroke, but you'll see it plain as day. Johnny's slip-and-regrip is quicker than Wayne Norcross's, but that's because Wayne has a little bit more "casual" stroke than Johnny Ervolino's.

-Sean

Sean,

I don't know if you have noticed my thread from awhile back in the instructors forum, I'm fighting a yaw so bad with a conventional stroke right now that I'm taking on water!! One of the things I tried right away with the slip stroke was checking if I was hitting center ball. A couple of blown shots but for the most part, far better than with a conventional stroke.

I do wish I had a snooker table I could practice on again. I feel like two or three hours a day on a snooker table was what put the final buffing on my game years ago. Better eyes back then and for awhile I was a banking fool on the snooker table using a house pool cue off the wall. Never tried too many high runs because I was practicing and shooting banks and silliness but my high included one six since I didn't know I had a shot at a perfect score. Then after I ran all the reds I was cursing the six ball shot when the seven was only a little harder and blew a routine shot on the five! If I ever build my dream home it will include a snooker room. Five by ten table set up for golf though, a man has to know his limitations. :thumbup:

I did notice the hand far forward and emulated that when trying the slip stroke, tried it further back too but timing is even more critical then. I'm going to play with the slip stroke for awhile simply for the pleasure of mastering it to a moderate degree. I do see some real advantages and I see the danger of the tighter grip causing grief(your yaw) too.

Hu
 
Here you go Hu....

Jaden,

By all means, please post pictures. I was thinking about a wrap with a grain that slipped one way and grabbed the other last night when I was working on the slip stroke. One minor note, my initial problem wasn't a lack of power with a slip stroke, it was too much power.

After a lot of digging I finally found video of a slip stroke where you can see the slip stroke pretty good. The video itself is fairly bad especially the first third. Watching it full screen I was starting to get a little seasick. Wayne Norcross owns all of the strokes and uses whichever suits him best for each situation so you will see a slip stroke, stroke-slip, and little or no movement of the stick in the grip hand.

Hu


http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...6e7EYjMqgKlnMiKBw&q=slip+stroke&hl=en&view=2#

Here are a couple of pics. To do tsukamaki right, you have to take a lot of time, I just wanted to test it out, so this didn't come out as even as can be...Sorry about the self depracation, I'm just picky about some of hte things I do.

But you can see the general idea of it though..

Jaden
 

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Thanks!!

Here are a couple of pics. To do tsukamaki right, you have to take a lot of time, I just wanted to test it out, so this didn't come out as even as can be...Sorry about the self depracation, I'm just picky about some of hte things I do.

But you can see the general idea of it though..

Jaden

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Having gotten that out of the way, thanks a bunch for the pictures. I have seen just a cloth strip wrapped around a sword handle in a criss-cross pattern and until seeing the images I was thinking that was what the tsukamaki was. I see it is much more complicated than that, string work resembling scrimshanking. Having a bit of arthritis in both hands from abusing them a lot over the years I have long thought that Earl's idea of a wrap wasn't the worst idea in the world. The tsukamaki would serve that purpose, provide a natural index, and look far far better!

I have thought of scrimshank work on a cue before but then the butt wouldn't fit in a standard tube case. Scrimshank is ropework not to be confused with scrimshaw work and although beautiful is the sign of a lazy sailor on the old ships. A lazy sailor would spend hours and days decorating handrails and improving the grip, dodging heavier labor.

It might offend the purest in you but the tsukamaki finished off with the raised continuous weave circle the way scrimshanking is typically finished top and bottom might be very nice on a pool cue. An immensely talented friend was the mechanical coordinator on the USS Kidd years ago after it was a museum and found some scrimshanking work on one handrail. He duplicated it on another handrail however that is the only modern scrimshanking I have seen.

Hu
 
Hu:

I couldn't agree more with your observations about the tight/compact style. Personally, I shoot with a snooker style, shoulders square to the shot, both feet pointing directly into (and not angled out from) the shot, thereby making all my legs joints point into the shot for consistency. The only modification I've made is that I use primarily a closed loop bridge, not an open bridge. Used to use the "overlapping finger" (i.e. index finger located on top of, and pressed down onto, the first joint of the middle finger -- a la Filipino style), but I've since migrated away from it for a couple reasons.

What I was trying to point out with the "compact style" observation, was more due to the inherent characteristic of the slip-stroke itself -- and that is the significantly forward placement of the grip hand during the practice strokes. This forward placement of the grip hand is, of course, necessary to put the grip hand forward of perihelion in the pendulum, so that when it's time to initiate the slip stroke, the back hand is moving downwards and away from the grip area of the cue, in effect -- and for a very split second before gravity takes effect -- leaving the cue "suspended" in mid air until the hand reaches the grip area where the regrip takes place. (I use the gravity analogy with loose license here; obviously gravity is ALWAYS pulling down on the cue and is never really "suspended" in mid air, but rather to point out the speed of the regrip -- it has to be quick enough so that the cue doesn't "re-rest" into the hand and be affected by the backward motion of the gripping hand prematurely.)

I played with a slip stroke for a long time, and still have it in my bag o' tricks when I need it, or when I'm bored with my play and want to change things up a bit. That slip stroke sure feels good, and "magical" as you'd observed. But after studying and playing snooker these past couple of years, I'd found that the slip stroke's slip-and-regrip actually very slightly threw a little yaw into my cue delivery -- very, very slight, mind you -- but this became strikingly evident on a snooker table, when I thought I was dead-nuts straight on a straight-in long shot, and ended up bobbling the ball between the rounded areas of the snooker table's pocket corners. I didn't notice it on the pool table, because one doesn't need the level of accuracy that's required on a snooker table. But that yaw was there nonetheless, and I had to make quick changes to adapt (unfortunately the slip stroke went into the long-term storage bins of my mind).

Nowadays, my grip hand is anchored to the point on the grip I choose when I pull the trigger (I may make minor adjustments on the placement of my grip hand on the grip area when I'm down on the shot, but once I begin my practice strokes, it's anchored there, and maintains control of the cue at all times -- no yaw introduced during that uncertain time while the "cue's in the air" during a slip-and-regrip).

Oh, and cue ball travel? Boo, hiss. As you probably noticed from my avatar's moniker, and past posts from me concerning rotations games like 9-/10-ball, I'm not a fan of crazy cue ball action. I like short/tight games like straight pool and one-hole (but can move and play up-table games in the latter). If I had my way, all my games would be a "Cosmo" like the old-timers like to call them -- every shot a stop shot! :D

Great thread and great conversation I'm seeing in it! Whenever I see this thread "go bold" in the list of threads -- meaning a new post in it -- I open it up right away, for I'm sure to see something interesting to read!

P.S.: you might have to watch Johnny Ervolino's nice extended run for a little while to catch a camera view of his slip stroke, but you'll see it plain as day. Johnny's slip-and-regrip is quicker than Wayne Norcross's, but that's because Wayne has a little bit more "casual" stroke than Johnny Ervolino's.

-Sean
Just 3 questions.

What is the benefit of a slip stroke?

What does moving the grip on the back swing do?

How in the heck do you get your hand to move back?

Years ago I saw Allan Gilbert play. He had a huge slip, 3, 4, or 5 inches. The cue did leave his hand in a big way or so it seemed. I walked in to where he was playing, put my cue together which had a rubber grip. He looks at it with a frown and said "Take that thing off and learn the slip stroke. All the greats used it."

I have a kind of stroke slip and I guess I acquired it from reading Wimpy's quote "Light grip is good, lighter is better." Took it to heart played around with it to the point I was throwing the cue, then backed off just a tad and now the cue naturally wants move forward. Sometimes it moves, sometimes not but it wants to. It opened up a whole new realm of possibilities.
 
[/QUOTE] tsukamaki would serve that purpose, provide a natural index, and look far far better!

I have thought of scrimshank work on a cue before but then the butt wouldn't fit in a standard tube case.

Hu[/QUOTE]

Hu,

This is a perpetual problem for the many 3C players that use rubber grips and is one of the reasons you see so many 3C players use the butterfly style cases. One of the custom features of my Whitten case is a thinner butt tube liner. Basically the standard liner he uses for the shaft tubes.

Now you have an excuse to buy a new case. Or maybe modify what you have?
 
luggage style case

Hu,

This is a perpetual problem for the many 3C players that use rubber grips and is one of the reasons you see so many 3C players use the butterfly style cases. One of the custom features of my Whitten case is a thinner butt tube liner. Basically the standard liner he uses for the shaft tubes.

Now you have an excuse to buy a new case. Or maybe modify what you have?


I have to at least try to build a luggage style case to suit me. I have a 25"x39" nc router that should be running in a few months. 25" by as long as I can fit in my shop with multiple set-ups. I'd like to have a case that actually fitted what I tote and opened up where I could get to all of it. I may hate it after I try it but I'm going to give it a try.

Hu
 
I have a shoto from the 11th century that has scrimshank work

I HATE VISTA I HATE VISTA I HATE VISTA I HATE VISTA I HATE VISTA

Sumb!tch of a machine shut down for updates without warning just as I was hitting enter after finishing my first post!!!!!



Having gotten that out of the way, thanks a bunch for the pictures. I have seen just a cloth strip wrapped around a sword handle in a criss-cross pattern and until seeing the images I was thinking that was what the tsukamaki was. I see it is much more complicated than that, string work resembling scrimshanking. Having a bit of arthritis in both hands from abusing them a lot over the years I have long thought that Earl's idea of a wrap wasn't the worst idea in the world. The tsukamaki would serve that purpose, provide a natural index, and look far far better!

I have thought of scrimshank work on a cue before but then the butt wouldn't fit in a standard tube case. Scrimshank is ropework not to be confused with scrimshaw work and although beautiful is the sign of a lazy sailor on the old ships. A lazy sailor would spend hours and days decorating handrails and improving the grip, dodging heavier labor.

It might offend the purest in you but the tsukamaki finished off with the raised continuous weave circle the way scrimshanking is typically finished top and bottom might be very nice on a pool cue. An immensely talented friend was the mechanical coordinator on the USS Kidd years ago after it was a museum and found some scrimshanking work on one handrail. He duplicated it on another handrail however that is the only modern scrimshanking I have seen.

Hu

I have a japanese shoto from the 11th century that has scrimshank ropework as the tsukamaki...

The thought is that it was owned by a sailor at some time in it's almost thousand years of life...

If I get a chance I'll take some pictures.

Jaden
 
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