How Would You Play This? 12/9/09

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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Playing 8ball on a barbox. You're stripes and you have ball-in-hand.

Note: I tried to position the balls as accurately as I could. The 13-ball appears to be in an odd place to pocket in the lower side pocket. In actuality, it goes rather easily and I was aware of this from the onset.


With that said, there are plenty of options here. I'm sure there are going to be some awesome ideas presented and perhaps a few options we should take a moment to critique. I'll reveal what I did tomorrow when work isn't so demanding.

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Playing 8ball on a barbox. You're stripes and you have ball-in-hand.

Note: I tried to position the balls as accurately as I could. The 13-ball appears to be in an odd place to pocket in the lower side pocket. In actuality, it goes rather easily and I was aware of this from the onset.


With that said, there are plenty of options here. I'm sure there are going to be some awesome ideas presented and perhaps a few options we should take a moment to critique. I'll reveal what I did tomorrow when work isn't so demanding.

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Make the 7 with the 15 and roll the ball up behind the 12 for safety. Hopefully i don't leave a shot on your 3 ball since you can bank toward the bottom left corner for a later breakout.
 
Elevate for draw and play it with force to hopefully break something open. You could play a similar safety leaving the CB behind the 9.

OP

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Playing 8ball on a barbox. You're stripes and you have ball-in-hand.

Note: I tried to position the balls as accurately as I could. The 13-ball appears to be in an odd place to pocket in the lower side pocket. In actuality, it goes rather easily and I was aware of this from the onset.


With that said, there are plenty of options here. I'm sure there are going to be some awesome ideas presented and perhaps a few options we should take a moment to critique. I'll reveal what I did tomorrow when work isn't so demanding.

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Don't play 8 ball, nor play on a barbox, I'll still give it a try.

Give myself a little angle to bump the 2 ball enough to clear the 8 and play the 12 in the opposite side pocket. Then play the 15 up the far corner leaving myself position for the 13 in the same side as I made the 12, follow slowly to play the 14 & 9 both in the same corner & come over for the 8 in the cleared corner pocket.

Jim
 
jimmyg said:
Don't play 8 ball, nor play on a barbox, I'll still give it a try.

Give myself a little angle to bump the 2 ball enough to clear the 8 and play the 12 in the opposite side pocket. Then play the 15 up the far corner leaving myself position for the 13 in the same side as I made the 12, follow slowly to play the 14 & 9 both in the same corner & come over for the 8 in the cleared corner pocket.

Jim
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This is the same run out I see.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Playing 8ball on a barbox. You're stripes and you have ball-in-hand.

Note: I tried to position the balls as accurately as I could. The 13-ball appears to be in an odd place to pocket in the lower side pocket. In actuality, it goes rather easily and I was aware of this from the onset.


With that said, there are plenty of options here. I'm sure there are going to be some awesome ideas presented and perhaps a few options we should take a moment to critique. I'll reveal what I did tomorrow when work isn't so demanding.

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I see a few options depending on how you feel in your abilities......First I agree with the runout option in the previous post about playing the ball in the side and breaking the eight out......Or you could put the cueball to play a stop shot on the nine sending it near the corner where the eight is trying to get ball in hand again and now you will have a breakout ball in place.
 
I think this has already been posted, but here is my choice.

Play the 12 in the corner, having set the CB such as to follow into the 2/8 in such a way as to push them apart.. Should have the 15 ball in the lower right corner next, if your speed is good.

From there, it is a stop to get on the ball in the side and then follow to pick up the other two stripes..Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

If you can get out right now, no reason to play safe.

Short Bus Russ, C player

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Note: I play the 12 ball in the corner versus the side because if I am seeing the angle right, you need to cut the 12 at a 30 degree angle or more to be able to hit the 2 hard enough off a light stun to move it any decent distance.

I think following into the 2/8 gives a more accurate hit, and as long as you pick your angle well, you should clear the 8 away and have a hanger out.

Russ
 
On a barbox I really like my chances of getting out after executing this shot:

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The safety behind the 9 is a good safe, but with this out available, I don't think you should play safe.

I'd prefer to play this in the side rather than in the corner with follow, because the way the CB hits the 2 is extremely sensitive to the exact angle you give yourself if you follow. Line up a fraction too much angle, and you hit the 2 thin rather than full. Cutting it in the side, it's hard to get the angle wrong. The only thing I'd worry about is getting jacked up over the 8, which isn't a deal-breaker with the next ball so close, and which probably won't happen due to the CB's tendency to roll forward a little after contact with the 2.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
I'd prefer to play this in the side rather than in the corner with follow, because the way the CB hits the 2 is extremely sensitive to the exact angle you give yourself if you follow. Line up a fraction too much angle, and you hit the 2 thin rather than full. Cutting it in the side, it's hard to get the angle wrong. The only thing I'd worry about is getting jacked up over the 8, which isn't a deal-breaker with the next ball so close, and which probably won't happen due to the CB's tendency to roll forward a little after contact with the 2.

-Andrew
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Andrew.. The problem I see with this is that when you carom into the 2, you can hit it one of two ways:

Thick..or thin..

If you hit it thick, you will be nearly frozen to the side of the 8.. Relying on the CB to get an exact hit on the 2 off off a stun hit, and going forward an inch.. is tricky, IMO.

If you hit it thin, the CB will first carom off the side of the 2, then the side of the 8. The 2 will move up, and the 8 will move sideways.. In all likelihood ending up as in position 2 as I have diagrammed. The position to get on the 8 is now blocked by the 2.

An additional concern is that you are "going across" the middle of the 12 ball with this angle, and you have a chance at a skid, especially with the possible dirty balls on a bar table. When you stun off of a slightly backwards cuts with dirty balls, you probably increase the chance of a skid by 50%, especially if you have to hit it "off speed" in order to control the CB.

The skid is not a factor in my choice, and there is no chance of being frozen to the 8 if the proper follow angle is selected.

Just a differing opinion, though, that is all. Some things work better for different players.

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Sigh, I wish I noticed my error. Although in the diagram, it APPEARS the 12 can be pocketed in the upper-left corner, in actuality, this wasn't an option. I'm not sure that matters very much since the two shots virtually accomplish the same thing.

Overall, I really like the responses and yes, I did shoot the 12 first and bumped the 2. I pocketed the 15 next and positioned for the 9/14 using the 13 as my keyball to get on the 8. I used the 13 last simply because I knew I could pocket it in the side (which is what I ended up doing) or the corner. Also, I saw no comfortable way to go from the 15 to the 13 (or vice versa).

My reason for playing it this way was simple - the route, although a bit challenging, was very predictable. I do like the idea of playing safe behind the 9 and sending the 14 into the cluster for a player that does not feel comfortable with the shots necessary to run out. My reason for not going that way simply had to do with unpredictability and allowing my opponent to "turn the table" on me. Why give him that chance?

IMO, if you're not comfortable running out, this is a great position to play safe. If you are, there's only about 2 or 3 correct approaches and all begin with bumping the 2 and getting the 15 off the table. There is the chance of freezing up on the 8 but with BIH, you should be able to control the hit enough to guarantee a reasonably comfortable shot (this was a big concern and props for pointing that out Russ & Andrew).
 
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This is how I would run it out.

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I gave this shot some thought, too. My concern here was not knowing how both the 2 and 8 would settle. By moving just the 2, I knew the 8 would open up. By moving both, I was worried I'd get a bad roll. Admittedly, this leaves a more comfortable shot on the 15 which is why I considered it. If I were playing on a 9-foot table, I would probably have gone your way and taken my chances since the 15 would be more challenging. Since this was a barbox, I felt the 15 did not require such considerate accommodations.
 
Id play the 12 first, bumping the 2/8 to free up the 8. Then play the 15 uptable, 13 in the side then play the 14/9/8. This isnt a really difficult out, esp on a barbox. On the first shot you really want to go into the 2 almost square. You might be jacked up over the 8 but the 8 goes so you really dont need to move it, just the 2.
 
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Do the 9 and 14 go into the corner or would you have to play the short side??? To me, that's the difference between running out now or breaking that up with a safety. If neither go, then I bump the 9 and play the safe behind the 14.

If they go (at least one of them), I like playing the 12 in the side and breaking out the 8. Now you have the option of shooting the 13 or 15, whichever gives you easier shape on the other.
 
Drew said:
Do the 9 and 14 go into the corner or would you have to play the short side??? To me, that's the difference between running out now or breaking that up with a safety. If neither go, then I bump the 9 and play the safe behind the 14.

If they go (at least one of them), I like playing the 12 in the side and breaking out the 8. Now you have the option of shooting the 13 or 15, whichever gives you easier shape on the other.
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There was about a half-inch gap between the 14/9 and yes, both were pocketable in the upper-left corner. If they were tied-up, I would have taken the same approach as you.
 
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