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troyboy30

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I recently picked up a new Schon LTD 1403. I got it with the linen since this is what I have always used and have no experience with anything else. After finally getting to play with it, I am finding the linen to be very slippery. I am considering getting it re-wrapped with something like stacked leather but have no experience with leather or other wraps.

You guys willing to offer some opinions on the best material and colors for me to match this cue?

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Beautiful cue. I really dislike the black and white wrap. Plain black Irish Linen would look better but not solve your slipping problem. I had my two cues done in leather which I like the feel of very much. If you're conservative, you could go with a nice black lizard wrap or maybe a burgundy baby croc or ring tailed lizard. Exotic would be a brown and tan python. I've never seen a stacked leather wrap but photos of various ones are very attractive. I had my wrap installed by Jim Lee (JD Custom Cues) at a very modest cost. He did a tremendous job with the seam being almost invisible. He worked with me and took pics of various wraps with my cue before we selected the one I liked best. I'd look at some cues with leather wraps here on this site and maybe find a couple that you like. That would be a good starting point. Go with leather - I don't think you'd regret it.
 
Many options for this cue

I recently picked up a new Schon LTD 1403. I got it with the linen since this is what I have always used and have no experience with anything else. After finally getting to play with it, I am finding the linen to be very slippery. I am considering getting it re-wrapped with something like stacked leather but have no experience with leather or other wraps.

You guys willing to offer some opinions on the best material and colors for me to match this cue?

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troyboy30:

First of all, GORGEOUS cue! (Let's get that out of the way, right up front.)

Second, specifically because of this cue's unique color patterns, you have a lot of wrap choices:

A. Replacing the slippery Irish Linen with pressed/burnished Irish Linen;
B. Regular leather wrap, but done well where the seam is not noticeable (leather is great because it's natural skin, has a nice tactile feel, and absorbs sweat);
C. Stacked leather wrap (no seams whatsoever, and has a nice inherently tacky feel);
D. An exotic reptile wrap, like lizard/snake skin (but you'll have to test each of these first, because some of them -- e.g. snake -- have somewhat slippery scales);
E. Stingray wrap! Stingray has an absolutely unique feel; rubbery, but with little hard bony nodules evenly distributed throughout. Stingray is unlike anything you've ever felt, and you should check out a cue with a stingray wrap to get an idea. (It's hard to explain, but once you experience it, you'll "get it" -- understand the feeling, that is. And yes, if you like it, you subsequently will "get it" [i.e. obtain it], if you've the funds.) Stingray is not cheap, and is difficult to handle/apply. Only experienced cue luthiers have the equipment and knowledge in applying Stingray wraps.

Like you, I'm not fond of Irish Linen, and in many cases (unless it's done right), I find it too slippery. However, there are techniques to make Irish Linen much less slippery. Here are some:

* Press the Irish Linen with a pressing tool. This is standard practice with good cues / cuemakers, and results in a good gripping surface, much less slippery than Irish Linen without this treatment.
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* Burnish the Irish Linen by spinning the butt on a lathe, and applying a piece of smooth Oak stock (a smooth piece of Oak wood) to the applied Irish Linen, to generate heat, which flattens and polishes it. This applies somewhat of a patina to the Irish Linen -- a sheen, if you will -- but it will be much less slippery than the Irish Linen without pressing or burnishing.

* After either pressing or burnishing, briskly rubbing some wax paper to do the final finishing. One would think applying wax paper might actually make the surface slicker with the wax, but it does the opposite -- it makes a good "grippy" surface.

If you choose a pressed/burnished/finished Irish Linen wrap, might I suggest a basic black with turquoise speckling throughout, to highlight the turquoise in the cue itself? (Just an idea.)

All these techniques are used to improve the surface of Irish Linen, but in the end, it's still Irish Linen -- an inherently slippery material. Leather is much "grippier", and absorbs sweat and perspiration better. And, leather can have any texture you want -- if you like it smooth, no problem. If you like a particular texture, it can easily be pressed into the leather. Stacked leather is a leather "cord" (for lack of a better term) that is tightly wound onto the gripping area, and has no seams, other than the spiral "cord to cord" mating surfaces, which themselves can often be blended together by using a certain application technique. I've seen stacked leather wraps where you couldn't see the cord at all, and instead the surface looked like it was poured and molded onto the cue. It has a nice tacky feel, too!

And Stingray! Here's a sample:

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Notice the little bony nodules evenly distributed throughout. The base skin is rubbery in texture, so it's a really nice contrast -- definitely a unique feel! My next cue will have a Stingray wrap, that's for sure. (I tried a Stingray wrapped cue at this past Super Billiards Expo, and I was sold on it in just a few minutes.) You can get Stingray in a surprising array of hues, not just the black shown in the photo above. (There's whites, grays, and blues available -- depending on the stingray species it came from.)

Hope this is helpful!
-Sean
 
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That cue is sweet, but it would be even sweeter with a brown, tiger stacked leather wrap!!!

Maniac
 
If this cue is to be a collectable, only playing with it occasionally, the stacked leather would look very nice on your cue. However, if this is to be your main player, then I recommend a monkey texture wrap. I had one put on my Schon STL-20 and it made an immense difference.
 
You would be VERY safe simply sending it to Ryan at Rat cues or Kenny Koo & asking them to install whatever they feel would look the best.:wink:
 
You cannot beat a cork wrap.. It's by far my favorite and I've played with everything.. Jack Madden and Paul Drexler both do a very nice job.
 
You would be VERY safe simply sending it to Ryan at Rat cues or Kenny Koo & asking them to install whatever they feel would look the best.:wink:

I have already contacted Ryan. He is suggesting a stingray wrap like this.
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It's just really hard to choose anything but black without being able to see the material on the stick, so it looks like black is the only safe choice. I guess I could send it in and have them match different colors for me. I am also considering buying a wrapless cue just to try it out. Something like this

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like asking blonde, redhead, brunnette...? you'll get lots of opinions... but they are all relative to what other people like, you are not other people and you won't know what is right for you until you find it. Ton's of wraps would look good on that cue. it's a nice piece of equipment. That being said, personally a soft/tacky black leather wrap (kangaroo?) is going on that cue if it's mine. From my personal experience, if your hands sweat at all, stay away from the reptile wraps.
 
If you want what you're used to and like the color combination, get pressed linen like has been said. There is a WORLD of difference in properly pressed and unpressed linen. I've never had a pressed wrap that was slippery.
 
well I made it easy on myself and ordered the wrapless cue above! Let's see how I like it

troyboy30:

I thought you'd already picked up a new Schon LTD 1403 with Irish Linen, looking for re-wrap options, as your opening post describes? Or did you send it back and get the wrapless model instead?

Either way, I think you'll be very pleased. I'm partial to wrapless cues myself -- they facilitate showcasing the cuemaker's art, rather than use the wrap as an easy way to hide a bad/unattractive piece of wood (IMHO).

-Sean

I recently picked up a new Schon LTD 1403. I got it with the linen since this is what I have always used and have no experience with anything else. After finally getting to play with it, I am finding the linen to be very slippery. I am considering getting it re-wrapped with something like stacked leather but have no experience with leather or other wraps.

You guys willing to offer some opinions on the best material and colors for me to match this cue?

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troyboy30:

I thought you'd already picked up a new Schon LTD 1403 with Irish Linen, looking for re-wrap options, as your opening post describes? Or did you send it back and get the wrapless model instead?

Either way, I think you'll be very pleased. I'm partial to wrapless cues myself -- they facilitate showcasing the cuemaker's art, rather than use the wrap as an easy way to hide a bad/unattractive piece of wood (IMHO).

-Sean

yes I have the 1403 with linen and am still deciding on wrap options. I also ordered the 1315 to see how I like wrapless
 
yes I have the 1403 with linen and am still deciding on wrap options. I also ordered the 1315 to see how I like wrapless

Why don't you send me the Schon 1403 and I'll see if I have the same problem with the linen wrap. I should be able to tell in about 6 to 12 months. No charge, by the way.
 
Cork is my pick also,Sickles Custom Cues AKA Billiardbum here on the forums would be my choice for install. Check out his website for leather options also.
 
Ricky and Troy

I will recommend 2 things- the first choice is Ricky Phillippi and his black bore skin . It is performance you want from the wrap!!!! throwing the cue with your stroke but gently catching it. I have a fillippino cue with Sea Snake skin. very nice player too. Troy Koinnkid sells all kinds of wraps-send a pm and see what he has on the table. mark
 
Who can I get Stingray wraps from? I love the look and feel. The durability is supposed to be amazing. Samurai used to wrap the handles of their swords with Stingray
 
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