Anyone Ever Heard of a Player Called "Practicing Tom"?

Hunter

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Hi all,

I recently bought an old Fellini case that has the inscription "For my hero Rags from Practicing Tom -1983". This obviously isn't the old one pocket Rags, as he died in 1960. Anybody know who either of these guys are? I always like to find out what I can about the original owners of the marked cues and cases I pick up along the way.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Steve
 
Hi all,

I recently bought an old Fellini case that has the inscription "For my hero Rags from Practicing Tom -1983". This obviously isn't the old one pocket Rags, as he died in 1960. Anybody know who either of these guys are? I always like to find out what I can about the original owners of the marked cues and cases I pick up along the way.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Steve
This is a photo taken at a Red's tournament in Houston, TX. It was either the 1983 or the 1984 tournament. The person in the photo was identified as "Practicing Tom," known for practicing the same shot over and over. "Rags" might have been a reference to Buddy Hall, who, I believe, was sometimes known by the nickname "Rags" in his early years.

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Thanks Bill! I assumed the reference to Rags was Buddy, but I thought that Practicing Tom might be Tom Rossman ("Practice, practice, practice"...). The time frame is right on the money with the guy in your picture...

Regards,

Steve
 
OMG where did you find that photo? That IS "Practicing Tom"!!! I knew him well. He actually sold programs for us at the Peter Vitalie tourney at the Biltmore Hotel in 1987. He set up a booth that was uniquely his, with all kinds of pool memorabilia on display. He had a booming voice that carried all over the lobby area. Thanks to him we sold several hundred programs. Tom passed away a good 15 years ago from lung cancer.

Tom had a favorite long rail bank that he might shoot 100-200 times in a row. When he was happy with that shot, he would shoot it from the other end of the table another 100-200 times. This could go on all day.

The Rags referred to was none other than Robert "Rags" Woods, one of the great black pool players of all time. In a city (L.A.) full of black champions like Black Nate, Iceman, California Shorty, Cecil and Rush Out Red, no one would mess with Rags. In fact most road players steered clear of Tournament Billiards where Rags was the manager. He played 9-Ball the same speed as Eddie Kelly and Richie Florence! That's all. Rags didn't get much recognition because no one would play him. Consequently he booked very few winners of note.

I am proud to say that I was instrumental in getting Rags on the Legends of Pool TV shows in the mid 80's. The promoters were looking for the number one Senior black player in the United States and I steered them to Rags. He played well on that show both years. I was there for the filming and all the other players like Jimmy Moore, Lassiter, Fats and Puckett were very familiar with Rags, asking him how he'd been and where he was living now. I didn't know he used to travel around looking for guys like this to play. In the 50's and 60's all the top players knew about "White Rags" (Johnny Fitzpatrick) and "Black Rags" (Robert Woods).

I saw Rags play a few times. Once with Black Nate, unquestionably the best One Pocket player in the hood. Still no match for Rags. And he played Marvin a very long session that brought people from all over to watch. I think they broke about even. When Jimmy Marino was sneaking around the West Coast robbing everyone, he made the mistake of sneaking into Tournament. His only loss out here to the best of my knowledge was to Rags. When Cecil was first making a name for himself, Rags could handle him like he was a baby. I'm sure he was instrumental in helping Cecil become a great player. Rags made 9-Ball look like a joke and it was to a player his speed. I heard a young Richie Florence came looking for Rags and they had a couple of long sessions, but Richie finally quit in frustration. Rags turned NO ONE down for a game! He didn't care who you were or what your name was.

Rags had to be in the top five all time among black champions along with James Evans, Black Cannonball, Marvin Henderson and Youngblood Washington. I was there when black Cannonball came into Tournament Billiards and he did not ask Rags to play. They just had a very friendly conversation, the ultimate respect among pool players. Black Rags died over ten years ago. He was pushing 80 at least.

That is a very special case my friend. Treasure it! Tom was a true pool devotee and he looked up to Rags, who was one of the greats. And a damn nice guy to boot.
 
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OMG where did you find that photo? That IS "Practicing Tom"!!! I knew him well. He actually sold programs for us at the Peter Vitalie tourney at the Biltmore Hotel in 1987. He set up a booth that was uniquely his, with all kinds of pool memorabilia on display. He had a booming voice that carried all over the lobby area. Thanks to him we sold several hundred programs. Tom passed away a good 15 years ago from lung cancer.

Tom had a favorite long rail bank that he might shoot 100-200 times in a row. When he was happy with that shot, he would shoot it from the other end of the table another 100-200 times. This could go on all day.

The Rags referred to was none other than Robert "Rags" Woods, one of the great black pool players of all time. In a city (L.A.) full of black champions like Black Nate, Iceman, California Shorty, Cecil and Rush Out Red, no one would mess with Rags. In fact most road players steered clear of Tournament Billiards where Rags was the manager. He played the same speed as Eddie Kelly and Richie Florence! That's all. Rags didn't get much recognition because no one would play him. Consequently he booked very few winners of note.

I am proud to say that I was instrumental in getting Rags on the Legends of Pool shows in the mid 80's. The promoters were looking for the number one Senior black player in the United States and I steered them to Rags. He played well on that show both years. I was there for the filming and all the other players like Jimmy Moore, Lassiter, Fats and Puckett were very familiar with Rags, asking him how he'd been and where he was living now. I didn't know he used to travel around looking for guys like this to play.

Rags had to be in the top five all time among black champions along with James Evans, Black Cannonball and Youngblood Washington. I was there when black Cannonball came into Tournament Billiards and he did not ask Rags to play. They just had a very friendly conversation, the ultimate respect among pool players.

That is a very special case my friend. Treasure it! Tom was a true pool devotee and he looked up to Rags, who was one of the greats. And a damn nice guy to boot.

Ahhhhhh, what do you know anyway?

EVERYTHING man EVERYTHING.

This thread is the absolute reason AZ rocks. Can you imagine trying to get this information IN ONE DAY if there was no AZ?

Wow Jay.

Kevin
 
This is a photo taken at a Red's tournament in Houston, TX. It was either the 1983 or the 1984 tournament. The person in the photo was identified as "Practicing Tom," known for practicing the same shot over and over. "Rags" might have been a reference to Buddy Hall, who, I believe, was sometimes known by the nickname "Rags" in his early years.

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WOW.

Kevin
 
You are approaching "Revered Fossil Status", Jay! Not to the "Fossil" age by a long shot, but you know more than most guys twice your age (I have to assume they're all dead :wink:).

Seriously, thanks for the info! It's absolutely priceless, Jay...

Here's a link to a YouTube video of the case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpC-v0ClVbI

Regards,

Steve
 
You are approaching "Revered Fossil Status", Jay! Not to the "Fossil" age by a long shot, but you know more than most guys twice your age (I have to assume they're all dead :wink:).

Seriously, thanks for the info! It's absolutely priceless, Jay...

Here's a link to a YouTube video of the case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpC-v0ClVbI

Regards,

Steve

Steve, if you ever see a Legends Of Pool show on ESPN Classic and Robert Woods is playing, I guarantee you he is carrying that case.
 
Thanks again, Jay! Now that I have the info from you, I checked the net some more and did see where he played in the Legends Series, and found a couple of newspaper articles on him, etc.

The case just screams "road player" and when I saw it, I thought it might have been one of Buddy's cases, but I've got to say I'm sure not disappointed in what it ended up being...

Happy New Year!

Steve
 
Thanks again, Jay! Now that I have the info from you, I checked the net some more and did see where he played in the Legends Series, and found a couple of newspaper articles on him, etc.

The case just screams "road player" and when I saw it, I thought it might have been one of Buddy's cases, but I've got to say I'm sure not disappointed in what it ended up being...

Happy New Year!

Steve

Not many people called Buddy "Rags." He was simply known as "Buddy" all over the country. His real name was Cecil Hall. His nickname that we used to introduce him was "The Rifleman." I never called him Rags.
 
OMG where did you find that photo?

To answer your question, I got it from Mike Haines, who took the shot at a Red's tournament back in the 1980s. Be sure and bring it up at dinner (or breakfast) at DCC as I am sure Mike will get a warm glow when you do.:)
 
OMG where did you find that photo? That IS "Practicing Tom"!!! I knew him well. He actually sold programs for us at the Peter Vitalie tourney at the Biltmore Hotel in 1987. He set up a booth that was uniquely his, with all kinds of pool memorabilia on display. He had a booming voice that carried all over the lobby area. Thanks to him we sold several hundred programs. Tom passed away a good 15 years ago from lung cancer.

Tom had a favorite long rail bank that he might shoot 100-200 times in a row. When he was happy with that shot, he would shoot it from the other end of the table another 100-200 times. This could go on all day.

The Rags referred to was none other than Robert "Rags" Woods, one of the great black pool players of all time. In a city (L.A.) full of black champions like Black Nate, Iceman, California Shorty, Cecil and Rush Out Red, no one would mess with Rags. In fact most road players steered clear of Tournament Billiards where Rags was the manager. He played 9-Ball the same speed as Eddie Kelly and Richie Florence! That's all. Rags didn't get much recognition because no one would play him. Consequently he booked very few winners of note.

I am proud to say that I was instrumental in getting Rags on the Legends of Pool TV shows in the mid 80's. The promoters were looking for the number one Senior black player in the United States and I steered them to Rags. He played well on that show both years. I was there for the filming and all the other players like Jimmy Moore, Lassiter, Fats and Puckett were very familiar with Rags, asking him how he'd been and where he was living now. I didn't know he used to travel around looking for guys like this to play. In the 50's and 60's all the top players knew about "White Rags" (Johnny Fitzpatrick) and "Black Rags" (Robert Woods).

I saw Rags play a few times. Once with Black Nate, unquestionably the best One Pocket player in the hood. Still no match for Rags. And he played Marvin a very long session that brought people from all over to watch. I think they broke about even. when Jimmy Marino was sneaking around the West Coast robbing everyone, he made the mistake of sneaking into Tournament. His only loss out here to the best of my knowledge was to Rags. When Cecil was first making a name for himself, Rags could handle him like he was a baby. I'm sure he was instrumental in helping Cecil become a great player. Rags made 9-Ball look like a joke and it was to a player his speed. I heard a young Richie Florence came looking for Rags and they had a couple of long sessions, but Richie finally quit in frustration. Rags turned NO ONE down for a game! He didn't care who you were or what your name was.

Rags had to be in the top five all time among black champions along with James Evans, Black Cannonball, Marvin Henderson and Youngblood Washington. I was there when black Cannonball came into Tournament Billiards and he did not ask Rags to play. They just had a very friendly conversation, the ultimate respect among pool players. Black Rags died over ten years ago. He was pushing 80 at least.

That is a very special case my friend. Treasure it! Tom was a true pool devotee and he looked up to Rags, who was one of the greats. And a damn nice guy to boot.


You're a treasure to the pool world Jay. Hopefully I can purchase another book from you soon?
 
You're a treasure to the pool world Jay. Hopefully I can purchase another book from you soon?

I don't know about all that. I've just been around the pool world a lonnng time. There are many players I wish I had seen play in their prime. Artie from Chicago and Strawberry from DC come to mind. Artie was in California but he laid it down good, never having to show his speed. And when I was in Chicago he was never in action. I think he sweated me playing Joey Gold once but never said boo to me.

I was only in DC one time and didn't cross paths with Strawberry (or at least didn't see him play). I spent most of the time in Beenie's room. That's where most of the action was. It was Richies first time there as well and he lit the place up, taking on all comers. For a minute there, Richie may have been the best 9-Ball player in the country. It was between him and Bernie Schwartz and Billy Incardona. Yes Billy played that good once upon a time.
 
Not many people called Buddy "Rags." He was simply known as "Buddy" all over the country. His real name was Cecil Hall. His nickname that we used to introduce him was "The Rifleman." I never called him Rags.

Yep, Buddy doesn't like to be called Rags. Last year when Buddy was the house pro at MaGoo's in Tulsa, a friend of mine wanted his autograph on several things. He signed everything either "Buddy Hall" or "The Rifleman" (he doesn't mind that one), but my friend asked him to sign something "Rags" and he flat refused. He considers that a bit of a slam.

Bob
 
"Practicing Tom" AKA Tom Gardner was a pleasent and likable character that one never forgets. He always had a smile and good conversation.

I remember him always wearing some sort of coat and in the pockets he carried all types of pool related gadgets. If you wanted to know the size of a pocket he would immediatly pull out a tape measure or a scale to weight the balls with.

If I remember correctly, that tournament in Houston had a one pocket event that he put a good number of players into and I think they all finished out of the money. It didn't matter to him because he just loved the action and all that goes with the pool scene. When he left us we all lost a good friend. RIP Tom

P.S. I'm certain he refered to Robert Woods "Rags" one of my heros from that time.
 
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