Question to the cuemakers

ftgokie

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I have about 20' of solid carbon fiber fiber rod, 5 sticks 4' each to be exact. They are 1.5" in diameter. Would this be somehting good to use as a core for a cue? Tensil strenght is right at 200,000 psi, the flexural modulus is right at 17,500,000 psi. So this stuff is pretty stiff. What are your thoughts on this?
 
I have about 20' of solid carbon fiber fiber rod, 5 sticks 4' each to be exact. They are 1.5" in diameter. Would this be somehting good to use as a core for a cue? Tensil strenght is right at 200,000 psi, the flexural modulus is right at 17,500,000 psi. So this stuff is pretty stiff. What are your thoughts on this?

It would work fine, its def strong enough. It would probably be warp proof lol. Have you ever thought about getting it in tube form, or drilling it out to make it hollow? Depending on the thickness of the wall it would make the structure more rigid, and more stable. I was thinking about doing something similar with some carbon arrow shafts.

I have no idea how it would hit. If you compare it to other sports that use carbon composites in the equipment I would say it will probably have a deadening effect to the hit.

On road bikes steel frames give much feel, and carbon rides dead, aluminum is in between. In baseball carbon cored bats have a more dead feel to the hit. Carbon fiber must absorb shock and disperse it very well the more i think about it. So the feel of the hit would could be not as good. I also think that the energy related to the CB would decrease as well.

Its not like in a bat where the side wall is compressed and the carbon wants to spring back. Your talking about a liner wave going through it from front to back....i think the carbon would absorb the energy somewhat as it traveles through.

Best way to find out is to just do it i guess, try diff variables. You could probably make a sweet full cue size jump cue, or a much lighter break cue that would still be very sturdy in construction. I was thinking about making a full jumper and coring the butt sort of how they do with a Fungo bat...a little carbon tube full length would help it keep its strength cross ways so the cue wouldn't snap in half or something.

interesting...rep to you sir.
Grey Ghost
 
what about using it for a insert? joint? or but cap? with the right cue it might look decent.

maybe a good insert for a BK due to its strength??
 
what about using it for a insert? joint? or but cap? with the right cue it might look decent.

maybe a good insert for a BK due to its strength??

I dont see why you couldnt. And I agree that it may look good with the right cue. With some clearcoat I think it would look nice. You would have the weight problem though with it being so light. but that can be overcome with a weightbolt. I personally wouldnt want to use a weightbolt in a cue if you didnt have to. I wouldnt want to take away from the harmonics of the wood. But I am new to all this, so I am really not the one to ask. This is all going to be trial and error for me...and lots of great advice from here.
 
i wouldnt mind getting a rod of this and experimenting a bit.

My friend is the one who originally bought it for his racecar...He ended up not needing it and i bought it from him. I believe he got his from either Shaw Racing or GRT Racing, I cant remember which company built his car at the time. You can go online and get some, its not too overly expensive....This is one source for the rod

http://www.composite-resources.com/stock-composites/black-project/carbon-fiber-rods/index.php
 
Guys,

I'm not sure how you'd go about drilling out a carbon fiber rod - but be VERY cautious working around that stuff - it makes a lot of dust and the dust is NOT good for you.

My 2 cents

Gary
 
Guys,

I'm not sure how you'd go about drilling out a carbon fiber rod - but be VERY cautious working around that stuff - it makes a lot of dust and the dust is NOT good for you.

My 2 cents

Gary

I was not talking about drilling it out....but putting a solid rod in the cue...I am not sure if there would be any gain or not...I would think it would make the cue hit like a steel pipe though..lol
 
Hi,

The gorilla glue company told me that the poly glue that we use for coring is not good with phenolics. I wonder how it would be for carbon fiber?

Rick
 
Shawn, IIRC, it is Scott Gracio that made a carbon fiber jump cue.
It was either solid or some of the components were carbon.
He posted a few videos of himself using the jumper and it seemed to work pretty slick. It was slender and I think it was better at short hops where the OB was close to the cue ball.
Anyway, Scott might be the guy to PM if you have some questions.
 
Hi,

The gorilla glue company told me that the poly glue that we use for coring is not good with phenolics. I wonder how it would be for carbon fiber?

Rick


When I was working with it at my last job, we used Scotch Weld #2216 Epoxy Adhesive...When you bonded this stuff, it didnt come loose....and it also had some flex ability as well..so that way your wood can do its natural harmonic vibration and not hinder the hit or tonal qualities......thats just my thoughts though
 
Shawn, IIRC, it is Scott Gracio that made a carbon fiber jump cue.
It was either solid or some of the components were carbon.
He posted a few videos of himself using the jumper and it seemed to work pretty slick. It was slender and I think it was better at short hops where the OB was close to the cue ball.
Anyway, Scott might be the guy to PM if you have some questions.

For a Candian, your ok in my book!:grin-square:
 
can you get more carbon fiber in smaller diameters?

wondering if your source is priced better than mine?
 
can you get more carbon fiber in smaller diameters?

wondering if your source is priced better than mine?


I believe the smallest you can get from this source is .020x 48" and cost 3.25

Here is a link to one place we have gotten some rod from, but this is not where the rod I have was purchased from. It was either from Shaw Racing or GRT Race Cars...I will have to double check with my friend if that is where he got it, but to my knowledge it is.

Here is the link to one place we have purchased rod at

http://www.dragonplate.com/ecart/categories.asp?cID=40

There is a place cheaper, but I will have to check with my friend and get where it is.
 
I was not talking about drilling it out....but putting a solid rod in the cue...I am not sure if there would be any gain or not...I would think it would make the cue hit like a steel pipe though..lol

You said the rod was 1.5" diameter.
To use it for a core you will need to shape it down most likely to .625".
That WILL male a lot of carbon fiber dust and if you get that into your lungs it is not good news.
I know of a wind surfboard maker here that used carbon fiber to make parts for his boards. He would grind and sand it to shape.
He dont do that anymore.
In fact he dont do much of anything anymore.

I see the rod can be bought as .625" diameter.
That would be the way to go.
 
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