I don't get it.

EZMoney

EZMoney

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Me and my buds have been using the Magical Rack for the last 6 to 8 mths. This method of racking eliminates the slug rack almost completely. You would think that this method would be embraced by the tournament world but none seem to want to move in that direction. Any thoughts?:confused:
 
Sardo sponsors tournaments, players, and billiards on TV in whole or in part.

MagicRack doesn't.

There is so precious little money in pool now ... I doubt the promoters can afford the loss of a sponsor.

LWW
 
Yeah, that's the funny thing about sponsors: you have to use their product. Whether it's Sardo, Delta-13, or Mueller, they're sinking $$ back into the game. When Magic Rack starts sponsoring events, that's when you'll see it used, until then......
 
LWW said:
Sardo sponsors tournaments, players, and billiards on TV in whole or in part.

MagicRack doesn't.

There is so precious little money in pool now ... I doubt the promoters can afford the loss of a sponsor.

LWW
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What tours, tournaments, & players does Sardo sponsor? I haven't seen them or their rack at a tournament in years. The most recent time was a WPBA event a couple of yrs ago which was the last time I went to one. They're not used at the us open anymore, or any other mens event that I've seen.

I never used one but from what I understand, a lot of the players didn't care for it. Once Corey mastered the soft break and everyone else started practicing controlled, softer breaks, the Sardo made things too easy and predictable. I'm not positive on this but this is what I seem to recall hearing.
 
EZMoney said:
Me and my buds have been using the Magical Rack for the last 6 to 8 mths. This method of racking eliminates the slug rack almost completely. You would think that this method would be embraced by the tournament world but none seem to want to move in that direction. Any thoughts?:confused:
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What's a "slug rack"? (POS?)
 
I know Delta 13 and Sardo have contributed dollars towards tournaments, both racks cost in excess of 100 bills. The magical rack on the otherhand cost maybe $7.50. It gives good rack everytime. Soft break or hard break you can build a consistant controlled break everytime. I think the real reason is that there just too good, one can dominate the game if they can get the break.
 
I've only ever seen the Magic Rack at that 10b tourney in Modesto a few weeks back.

My guess why it's not the big thrill of the moment is the many discussions it creates over what to do with balls that land on the rack after the break, especially when the money ball is frozen or dead with a low- numbered ball.

Maybe if the Magic Rack had a little slit- and- a- clip of some sort, so that after racking, before the break, the rack could be removed from the table...?
 
sardo got crushed by all of the b*tching over the soft break. the players finaly got what they wanted, which was a completely frozen rack and when someone figured out how to manipulate it the players b*tched. i haven't seen a sardo used in while but that doesn't mean they aren't. they just aren't the huge sponsor they were. as far as the magic rack goes. good luck with that one. no way i'd use it for a money game or tournament. you can't tell me the balls won't roll of a piece of paper differently than felt. and i love how on thier page they say if a ball is left on the edge the paper can be moved with out distubing it but if a ball is left dead on it it has to be left there until that ball is moved by play. right. so if the 9 doesn't move too much it can be left entirely on the paper and then you may have to work around a whole rack with out moving that thing. and 10 ball is worse. you know balls are going to be on top of that thing. nope, i'll pass. people simply have to learn how to rack the balls. it's not that hard. and the breaking player has to learn to be disciplined enough to look at the rack and make sure he's not being cheated. that's all it takes. even if playing rack your own. players have just become whiny little *****es about the rack and use it as move to throw the other player into a tail spin. learn to rack, learn to check rack and good god keep that piece of paper away from me. that looks like it may be the worst idea yet.
 
I saw a couple of guys using the magic rack recently and had no idea what it was. Their version was wrinkled and wouldn't stay flat on the table. Balls appeared to rack well but there's no way the ball would roll true if it rolled over that.

Solution: rack your own; money ball on the break gets spotted. That's the fairest IMO.
 
Not An Issue

Like I said I've been using it for nearly 9mths now and the paper has never posed a issue. More times than not there's nothing resting on the paper. You never have to read the rack because it always perfect.
 
seems funny

EZMoney said:
Like I said I've been using it for nearly 9mths now and the paper has never posed a issue. More times than not there's nothing resting on the paper. You never have to read the rack because it always perfect.
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Seems like you are arguing that the Sardo is bad because it gives a perfect rack that can be manipulated and the magic rack is good because it gives a perfect rack which is equally subject to manipulation.

The real issue has already been mentioned. I doubt that there is anyone on this forum that hasn't had a run out messed up because of a ball just rolling funny off of the stick on dot used as a footspot on many tables. No way are most of us happy with the idea of leaving a piece of paper under the rack even while breaking much less until it can be moved without disturbing balls. If I ran a tournament or league the magic rack would be outlawed at my events simply because of the arguments it would cause.

Hu
 
jrt30004 said:
sardo got crushed by all of the b*tching over the soft break. the players finaly got what they wanted, which was a completely frozen rack and when someone figured out how to manipulate it the players b*tched. i haven't seen a sardo used in while but that doesn't mean they aren't. they just aren't the huge sponsor they were. as far as the magic rack goes. good luck with that one. no way i'd use it for a money game or tournament. you can't tell me the balls won't roll of a piece of paper differently than felt. and i love how on thier page they say if a ball is left on the edge the paper can be moved with out distubing it but if a ball is left dead on it it has to be left there until that ball is moved by play. right. so if the 9 doesn't move too much it can be left entirely on the paper and then you may have to work around a whole rack with out moving that thing. and 10 ball is worse. you know balls are going to be on top of that thing. nope, i'll pass. people simply have to learn how to rack the balls. it's not that hard. and the breaking player has to learn to be disciplined enough to look at the rack and make sure he's not being cheated. that's all it takes. even if playing rack your own. players have just become whiny little *****es about the rack and use it as move to throw the other player into a tail spin. learn to rack, learn to check rack and good god keep that piece of paper away from me. that looks like it may be the worst idea yet.
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what do you do when the ball stops on the spot? samething with these racks
 
ShootingArts said:
Seems like you are arguing that the Sardo is bad because it gives a perfect rack that can be manipulated and the magic rack is good because it gives a perfect rack which is equally subject to manipulation.

The real issue has already been mentioned. I doubt that there is anyone on this forum that hasn't had a run out messed up because of a ball just rolling funny off of the stick on dot used as a footspot on many tables. No way are most of us happy with the idea of leaving a piece of paper under the rack even while breaking much less until it can be moved without disturbing balls. If I ran a tournament or league the magic rack would be outlawed at my events simply because of the arguments it would cause.

Hu
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The balls rarely come to rest on the rack. It happens about 1% of time you would get slug racks, 9's traveling to pockets or even needing to check racks. It is easy to spot the ball to move rack or shoot over it (really slow rolling will move).

I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't want a great rack. What I find hard to believe is rooms not leveling tables, changing cloth, old chalk.etc... way bigger problems then leaving thin paper on the table.
 
Having to move..

Having to move a ball resting on the Magic Rack makes it a no go for me.
Having to draw off a ball resting on the Magic Rack makes it a no go for me. The regular Delta 13 goes for 69.95, usually 39.95 on sale. I love it.
 
pocketpared said:
Having to move a ball resting on the Magic Rack makes it a no go for me.
Having to draw off a ball resting on the Magic Rack makes it a no go for me. The regular Delta 13 goes for 69.95, usually 39.95 on sale. I love it.
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the delta 13 is no different than anyother rack. On tables that won't rack they suck. It would take 5 min sometimes trying to get a good rack at US Open. Plus they are noisey as hell
 
Jason Robichaud said:
the delta 13 is no different than anyother rack. On tables that won't rack they suck. It would take 5 min sometimes trying to get a good rack at US Open. Plus they are noisey as hell
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There is/was no better rack that I've ever found than the Wood Works rack, think it was made in Texas and the guy who made em was a good friend of Vivian Villareal. It came with a 5 yr warranty, wood had rounded edges, the corners were spliced, they were light, gave a good sound when racking, had the perfect amt of finger room to push em tight and if I remember correctly would fit properly in a Valley/coin op rack slot. If they fell off a table light they would NOT cut the cloth, Dan Tull in Olathe KS used these racks for Many years at Shooters and maybe still does. They also used em at the Willards tourney yrs ago. They wouldn't even spinter if an idiot slammed the cue ball into the triangle.
 
jrt30004 said:
sardo got crushed by all of the b*tching over the soft break. the players finaly got what they wanted, which was a completely frozen rack and when someone figured out how to manipulate it the players b*tched. i haven't seen a sardo used in while but that doesn't mean they aren't. they just aren't the huge sponsor they were. as far as the magic rack goes. good luck with that one. no way i'd use it for a money game or tournament. you can't tell me the balls won't roll of a piece of paper differently than felt. and i love how on thier page they say if a ball is left on the edge the paper can be moved with out distubing it but if a ball is left dead on it it has to be left there until that ball is moved by play. right. so if the 9 doesn't move too much it can be left entirely on the paper and then you may have to work around a whole rack with out moving that thing. and 10 ball is worse. you know balls are going to be on top of that thing. nope, i'll pass. people simply have to learn how to rack the balls. it's not that hard. and the breaking player has to learn to be disciplined enough to look at the rack and make sure he's not being cheated. that's all it takes. even if playing rack your own. players have just become whiny little *****es about the rack and use it as move to throw the other player into a tail spin. learn to rack, learn to check rack and good god keep that piece of paper away from me. that looks like it may be the worst idea yet.
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Well said, I feel the same way!
 
Delta 13

Delta 13 is way better than any other rack. I get balls tight on bad tables. Is the guy selling the Magic Rack a friend of yours?
Add the leather inserts and they are no noisier than any other rack.
 
pocketpared said:
Delta 13 is way better than any other rack. I get balls tight on bad tables. Is the guy selling the Magic Rack a friend of yours?
Add the leather inserts and they are no noisier than any other rack.
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I am just supporting a product that I like. I couldn't get the Delta to work on new cloth, balls would roll out. I can get magic rack to work on bad racking tables. Thats a good rack to me. Regular triangle racks will not freeze balls cause the cloth stops it. The magic rack takes the cloth out of picture with very little effect. After hundred of racks, the magic rack only changed the out come due to roll a few times.

If your game relies on riding 9's instead of running out, stick with regular racks!
 
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