Does anyone make people pay off after every game or every set?

mikeyfrost

mikeyfrost

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I practice with some older gentlemen from time to time when my schedule permits it. The are very big advocates of getting paid after every game and to be honest, I LOVE IT!

Here's why I like it. Say you are playing one pocket for $50/game. Well if all you are doing is moving a coin around the guy who is stuck doesn't feel it as much as he would if the money was already gone.

I also like that playing like this makes people quit. Some people get it stuck in their head that as long as they pay you most of the money it's cool. I know the traditional single air barell gets shot when you bust someone most of the time and that's just a part of pool. You would be sick though if you break even with a guy after having him stuck $400 when he only has a $100 in his pocket.

Wondering how others feel about it? I have already started doing this with some players but I think I am going to extend this policy to all players.
 
Absolutely !

This is THE right way. IMHO, there should be no other answer. This also reduces arguments from my experience. I agree it seems to reduce air-barrels, it may however leave the winner stuck for a bar tab, table time and walking money ;)
Possible exception would be very small stakes (1-5$), I'd suggest making 5 a game: 4 ahead for 20 since you'd probably have to break gambling coupons down before you start.
 
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DogLoop said:
This is THE right way. IMHO, there should be no other answer.
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Yeah I agree, what's the point being up 9 diamonds...give me the money to A) Prove you have it and B) let me remind you every single time you pay that these losses do mean something. Moving a coin is way easier to do than forking over the green backs every game!
 
But if this became standard fare, what would the crooks do with all their free time?

Mike, you gambling again? Did you move again and find another unsuspecting pond? ;)
 
I always did and still do. I might agree to pay after two games when playing for fifty a game. But if I'm playing someone I don't know, we have to post! PERIOD!

A little story - a few years ago I get in a "friendly" One Pocket game with a guy I've known for years. He owns substantial real estate in Santa Monica, thus a millionaire several times over. We were playing for the lordly sum of $20 a game, and he plays pretty good. Somehow I get him stuck eight games and he takes the heat. He can't get anything going, and I've won the last six in a row. He quits, kind of angry.

He asks me if I'm going to pay the time. Sure I tell him. Then he proceeds to give me $120, telling me this is all he has on him. Still $40 short. I look at this wealthy guy and give him my standard line, "If I lost I would pay you. I expect the same courtesy in return." He is steaming now, more at himself for losing so bad, than at me. But I still want to be paid. After all I did win, fair and square. And I would pay him in an instant if I lost. He wants to owe me the money. I said, "Why don't you use the ATM or something. You can get $40 can't you?"

Finally, after an embarrassing minute or two (for him), he tells me just a minute, he is going to his car. All right, I'll wait. He comes back after a few minutes with four rolls of quarters in his hand. He says this is money from his laundry machines. Do I want to take his quarters he asks me. No problem I say and take them. Then he's gone in a flash. The guy working the counter sees this whole exchange and immediately offers to buy the quarters from me, saying they always need extra quarters.

A lot of drama over forty bucks, but I did get paid. The time was about $20 as I recall.
 
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I would add that some folks I bet with need to post up before we play just to prove I won't get stiffed if I win. I am happy to post up myself, so it's only fair.
 
After a set yes.... But honestly.... Put the money on the light for a set.

If your playing for 10 pay at 20....playing for 40 pay at 200....playing for 50 pay at 100....playing for a 100 pay up after every game. This way you dont get stuck for very much if at all. At the same time the ones who dont want to pay after every game...the "TRUST ME, I GOT IT" guys.....are happy to.
 
jay helfert said:
I always did and still do. I might agree to pay after two games when playing for fifty a game. But if I'm playing someone I don't know, we have to post! PERIOD!

A little story - a few years ago I get in a "friendly" One Pocket game with a guy I've known for years. He owns substantial real estate in Santa Monica, thus a millionaire several times over. We were playing for the lordly sum of $20 a game, and he plays pretty good. Somehow I get him stuck eight games and he takes the heat. He can't get anything going, and I've won the last six in a row. He quits, kind of angry.

He asks me if I'm going to pay the time. Sure I tell him. Then he proceeds to give me $120, telling me this is all he has on him. Still $40 short. I look at this wealthy guy and give him my standard line, "If I lost I would pay you. I expect the same courtesy in return." He is steaming now, more at himself for losing so bad, than at me. But I still want to be paid. After all I did win, fair and square. And I would pay him in an instant if I had lost. He wants to owe me the money. I said, "Why don't you use your ATM or something. You can get $40 can't you?"

Finally, after an embarrassing minute or two (for him), he tells me just a minute, he is going to his car. All right, I'll wait. He comes back in after a few minutes with four rolls of quarters in his hand. He says this is money from his laundry machines. Do I want to take his quarters he asks me. No problem I say and take them. Then he's gone in a flash. The guy working the counter sees this whole exchange and immediately offers to buy the quarters from me, saying they always need extra quarters.

A lot of drama over forty bucks, but I did get paid. The time was about $20 as I recall.
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I might let him slide and owe me... seeing he's a millionaire. He would keep coming back and may not if I embarrass him. depends on the situation I guess. Myself, w/e he wants as long as he keeps coming back.
 
I feel a JohnnyT moment coming on . . .

Getting stiffed wasn't nearly as likely forty years ago when clicking somebody's lights out with a house cue was the perfectly acceptable reaction to a major air barrel. Didn't have to be big money, just finding out that the other player hadn't came up a little shy on the last bet but had been playing on air the whole time or for awhile.

Cash on the light or settle at the end of every bet is the only way to play with strangers now when the law is called if you ding somebody a little bit.

Hu


mikeyfrost said:
I practice with some older gentlemen from time to time when my schedule permits it. The are very big advocates of getting paid after every game and to be honest, I LOVE IT!

Here's why I like it. Say you are playing one pocket for $50/game. Well if all you are doing is moving a coin around the guy who is stuck doesn't feel it as much as he would if the money was already gone.

I also like that playing like this makes people quit. Some people get it stuck in their head that as long as they pay you most of the money it's cool. I know the traditional single air barell gets shot when you bust someone most of the time and that's just a part of pool. You would be sick though if you break even with a guy after having him stuck $400 when he only has a $100 in his pocket.

Wondering how others feel about it? I have already started doing this with some players but I think I am going to extend this policy to all players.
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ShootingRazbone said:
I might let him slide and owe me... seeing he's a millionaire. He would keep coming back and may not if I embarrass him. depends on the situation I guess. Myself, w/e he wants as long as he keeps coming back.
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I may only go into this poolroom once or twice a year. So I don't know when I'll see him again. I have played him about four or five times over the years, but this was my "biggest" win. And the first time he tried to stiff me. I think it sets a bad precedent anyway if I let him slide.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
But if this became standard fare, what would the crooks do with all their free time?

Mike, you gambling again? Did you move again and find another unsuspecting pond? ;)
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LOL always looking for a good pond to swim in whenever possible. Still in Iowa, I just have been thinking about it and lately I realized there is no heat just moving a coin. A guy had me stuck $200, I was still freewheeling because all my money was still in my pocket. I felt no heat at all. I won money that night. Had I been paying off, I might have quit realizing how many times I had to go in my wallet to pay this guy.
 
jay helfert said:
I always did and still do. I might agree to pay after two games when playing for fifty a game. But if I'm playing someone I don't know, we have to post! PERIOD!

A little story - a few years ago I get in a "friendly" One Pocket game with a guy I've known for years. He owns substantial real estate in Santa Monica, thus a millionaire several times over. We were playing for the lordly sum of $20 a game, and he plays pretty good. Somehow I get him stuck eight games and he takes the heat. He can't get anything going, and I've won the last six in a row. He quits, kind of angry.

He asks me if I'm going to pay the time. Sure I tell him. Then he proceeds to give me $120, telling me this is all he has on him. Still $40 short. I look at this wealthy guy and give him my standard line, "If I lost I would pay you. I expect the same courtesy in return." He is steaming now, more at himself for losing so bad, than at me. But I still want to be paid. After all I did win, fair and square. And I would pay him in an instant if I lost. He wants to owe me the money. I said, "Why don't you use the ATM or something. You can get $40 can't you?"

Finally, after an embarrassing minute or two (for him), he tells me just a minute, he is going to his car. All right, I'll wait. He comes back after a few minutes with four rolls of quarters in his hand. He says this is money from his laundry machines. Do I want to take his quarters he asks me. No problem I say and take them. Then he's gone in a flash. The guy working the counter sees this whole exchange and immediately offers to buy the quarters from me, saying they always need extra quarters.

A lot of drama over forty bucks, but I did get paid. The time was about $20 as I recall.
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That's the situation I run into all the time. It seems that if someone owes you $70, they have $50. If they owe you $120, they have a $100. People are clever nowadays too. They pay you a certain amount and since they owe you $20 they say, hey you just start out one game ahead next time we play. Stuff like that is nonsense.

Plus like I said I want the money each and every time. I don't mind paying each and every time and if I bet I am fully prepared to do so. The people who shoot $100 at a $1000 are usually the most tentative to play like this since they know where there bank stops going in to the game.

Good posts everyone keep going!
 
ShootingArts said:
Getting stiffed wasn't nearly as likely forty years ago when clicking somebody's lights out with a house cue was the perfectly acceptable reaction to a major air barrel. Didn't have to be big money, just finding out that the other player hadn't came up a little shy on the last bet but had been playing on air the whole time or for awhile.

Cash on the light or settle at the end of every bet is the only way to play with strangers now when the law is called if you ding somebody a little bit.

Hu
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Excellent post, Hu. People now can get away with a lot, now that kicking someone's ass is illegal, justified or not...

I have known quite a few of those old road scufflers, and the popular consensus is that the house cue is not the most practical weapon of choice. You're likely to break it after a couple of good thwacks, and you'll probably have to buy the owner of the bar a new cue...

If push comes to shove, I'm grabbing the 8 ball, and sending it flying. If I miss, I've got 14 more to throw, and the one that's left becomes a fist pack. :)
 
Absolutely, paying after every game will eliminate any doubt if your opponent is playing on air or possibly the only damage is getting hit with a single air barrel. If the money is posted then work out the details in advance but paying after every rack, regardless of the amount your are playing for, is the best option.
 
mikeyfrost said:
Wondering how others feel about it? I have already started doing this with some players but I think I am going to extend this policy to all players.
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"Pay off's per game leave no air barrel's and shame"
 

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I get paid every set unless I know who i'm playing real good and have played lots of times etc. Or if I'm playing $50/game then pay every 2 games winner or $100. I never keep it on the wire with most people.
 
I'll play you some on Saturday and we can pay after every game if it makes you feel good on the inside. :)
 
Fatboy said:
I get paid every set unless I know who i'm playing real good and have played lots of times etc. Or if I'm playing $50/game then pay every 2 games winner or $100. I never keep it on the wire with most people.
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I feel like the people you know "real good" sometimes are the main offender. Paying at a $100 is okay sometimes. I'd rather just get it and post, get it and post. Kind of like you would do in a ring game. In a ring game you dont normally see people keeping track with anything other than money.,
 
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