Why are Schon & Meucci production cues popular?

My opnion~~
The 2 cues should'nt be used in the same sentence.
Meucci cues are a low end production cues and have always been. They are now even a lower quality cue.
Schon, the early cues where made extremely well and played real good for the money. Now I think Schon are production cues, living off their past. They are not nearly as good the early schon cues.
 
pooltchr said:
Schon because they are great cues.

Meucci because......because.....ummmm....because....

Good Question!

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Steve
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Because a Meucci is the only cue you can draw the cue ball table length for a three rail kick shot.........................lol:rotflmao1: I own both, and like them for different reasons. I will add this I don't own any Meucci made after 1994. That's when quality got really bad! As if the cracked ferrules,collar joints and shaft warpping on the "Meucci originals" wasn't bad enough:mad:
 
pooltchr said:
Schon because they are great cues.
Meucci because......because.....ummmm....because....
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I wonder why everybody here is so hell bent on hitting on Meucci brand of cues (or "Moochies" as it seems so clever to say here). I play with a no-value Meucci cue from the 90s, and while it is certainly not the best and most beautiful stick around, it hits pretty good. I've won many games with it. I certainly don't feel handicapped by my lesser value Meucci cue, and it's served me well for the past 13 years.

As a matter of fact, I also own a magnificent Artemis billiard cue, paid 60 euro new, that does its job well too. Never head of the brand name? Neither had I before buying it.

I tried other people's cheapo cues, including some super-cheap Buffalo brand cues made in the PRC that had joint fittings so poorly made you'd swear the shaft was an aftermarket addition, and while I didn't always like the stiffness, I didn't feel as if I couldn't get used to them eventually. I also tried higher value cues (under intense scrutiny by the owner :) ), and while I loved the finish and the beauty of some of them, the hit was, well, whatever it was because no cue is alike.

To me, 90% of the shot comes from the player, and the rest from the cue. Granted, a great cue you love can make you play better, and if you're really good, a really good cue will give you the remaining 10% for that perfect shot. But I'm not really good, so I concentrate on trying to play better, and in 20 years of playing, I haven't felt the need to blame any of my cues' shortcomings for a shot I missed yet.

Systematically bashing certain products definitely seems to be the trendy thing to do, be it cues or any other consumer product out there. I'm not defending the Meucci brand specifically, but I've never had to complain about their products. I know a fair few dealers in my area who disliked their commercial policies enough to drop the brand from their lineup altogether, but that doesn't concern me as a player.

Really, which one of you has owned a Meucci cue for a significant length of time and decided they hated the thing for objective reasons? I'm not talking about trying one at the pool hall for 10 minutes, because that doesn't count: I too tend to hate every cue I try because it's not mine and I'm not used to it.

By the way, this is not a troll post. I genuinely wonder what's so wrong with the Meucci brand. I know certain topics are sure to draw heated comments, and in the pool world, cues are one of them, but I'm really not trying to flame or anything. Please explain your REAL reasons to dislike the brand so much.
 
Fastolfe said:
By the way, this is not a troll post. I genuinely wonder what's so wrong with the Meucci brand. .
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My personal experience is their quality has dropped considerably in the last 20 years. Pick up any new Meucci, hold it in your hand, and lightly run your thumb over the edge of the inlays. I can almost promise you will be able to feel it, even through the clear coat finish.
I expect more from a cue that costs several hundred dollars.

Steve
 
As much as I love the game of pool and have for 50 years of playing, I have a few oddities I suppose.

1. I inversely hate 9 ball as much as I love pool, and .....

2. I wonder why the hell (exclusive of collectors) anyone would pay more that a few hundred bucks for ANY cue when a 2 dollar tip, a few pieces of sandpaper, and a drill are all you need to make it hit just fine.

I wish I had a few extra bucks to buy one of these newer meuccis, I've never even held or seen one. I'd love to try one. I'm betting they play just fine. I play with an older Meucci that I'm perfectly happy with. Primarily because I'm used to the balance point.

Here's another bet, I'll bet I could get 3 or 4 high end cues, let a player try each, then blindfold them, change tips to different brands on each and bet they would think they are playing with 3 or 4 different cues again. I think its all a bunch of hogwash. But that's just me... LOL :)
 
pooltchr said:
My personal experience is their quality has dropped considerably in the last 20 years. Pick up any new Meucci, hold it in your hand, and lightly run your thumb over the edge of the inlays. I can almost promise you will be able to feel it, even through the clear coat finish.
I expect more from a cue that costs several hundred dollars.
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Fair enough. Mine seems to have a perfectly smooth surface, but perhaps I have a "good" one.

However, I personally don't really care about that. All I care about is how a cue hits, or rather, if the cue and I are compatible (I realize I'm a minority). A sneaky pete is beautiful enough for me. My question was more whether a Meucci cue generally plays less well than a similarly priced cue from another brand. Because playing well is what a cue should do well at the end of the day isn't it :)
 
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3andstop said:
Here's another bet, I'll bet I could get 3 or 4 high end cues, let a player try each, then blindfold them, change tips to different brands on each and bet they would think they are playing with 3 or 4 different cues again. I think its all a bunch of hogwash. But that's just me... LOL :)
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I tend to agree with you, although I understand that many people enjoy playing with a beautiful work of art made of exotic woods, ivory, gems and other nice things. These materials and the cuemaker's time to create a beautiful cue have a cost that seems perfectly in line with what cuemakers ask for. But as far as playability is concerned, I'll go with what my first billiards teacher told me when I asked him what kind of cue I should get for my first cue: one that is straight and with a tip :)
 
cardiac kid said:
Beg to differ with you. My nearly twenty year old six windows Schon hits every bit as well as the Runde version made a year or so before. Played with both. Yes, Runde Schon's are more collectable. But that's not what we are talking about here. Playability is. Try them blindfolded sometime. If you have, then we will agree to disagree.

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i agree with this as well... ive played with a few 20-25 year old schons...my Schon made by Evan Clarke hits better. Not that the olde school schons hit poor....

alot of people just cant stand the facts that the points are milled, inlayed and Rounded on the end. But that doesnt bother me a bit...atleast i dont have to look at a uneven point and they can cut down on scraping inlays, all while increasing cue to cue consistancy

ITS my opinion that schon makes the most consistant hitting cues....Evan wont do anything that will compromise that Schon Hit, feel, and balance.
this is the same reason why people say he isnt a custom maker...but atleast when you pick up a Schon you know exactly what to expect and what your getting....Schon cues hit as good today than they ever have in the past....this whole Runde era thing is a myth that collectors use to inflate the market value..

i bet that most custom makers would have a hard time getting there cues to perform very close to identical from cue to cue....its an artform all to its own.

Predator does this with shafts....Cracks me up when guys have 3000 customs with a 314 shaft and never even use the origional.
 
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All the sticks are fine, I have a old cutex that plays as good as any stick I own. It's mostly just the luck of the draw when it comes to sticks. I watch players come up short time after with these stiff shafts. A little extra action might do them some good. Purest are getting out of hand. Getting shape is what it is about. What you use to get it doesn't matter.

I have a $4000.00 custom and have no problem playing with my cutec. Go figure.
 
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Fastolfe said:
I tend to agree with you, although I understand that many people enjoy playing with a beautiful work of art made of exotic woods, ivory, gems and other nice things. These materials and the cuemaker's time to create a beautiful cue have a cost that seems perfectly in line with what cuemakers ask for. But as far as playability is concerned, I'll go with what my first billiards teacher told me when I asked him what kind of cue I should get for my first cue: one that is straight and with a tip :)
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This is my point, and I did exclude collectors. Everyone has their hobby.

As far as playability, it's all in getting used to what you have. How many people go out and buy a new car because they start to hear their brake pads squeal. Just change the tip. :)
 
I have a high end Schon and a high end Meucci. I think the Schon may be a little better build quality than the Meucci but I like the playability of the Meucci better. The Schon is a stiffer hitting cue but you get better action with the Meucci. The Meucci just seems like it is easier to play with.
 
Rtoron said:
I have a high end Schon and a high end Meucci. I think the Schon may be a little better build quality than the Meucci but I like the playability of the Meucci better. The Schon is a stiffer hitting cue but you get better action with the Meucci. The Meucci just seems like it is easier to play with.
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Kinda how i've felt for years. Schon is a much higher quality item but i've always liked the way Meucci's play. If you stay with a basic Meucci and keep inlays to minimum you're usually ok. Most issues i've seen have been inlay related. Never had issues with warping myself. I know some have but not me.
 
Because Meuccis are great. They’re a sweet hitting, magical cue. Even a scrub like me has won dozens and dozens of tournaments with Meucci. If the workmanship and materials didny suck in the 90’s, I’d still be shooting with one. But I cant deny the sweet feel of a Meucci.
 
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Funny how different people like one thing
another person hates it

I can not stand Meucci cues because of the way they play

Then along comes a guy who plays one and he beats me with a Meucci cue

i find schons easy to play with
 
BIGGEST REASON IS BECAUSE THEY BOTH ARE ...... cheap!!!!!!

Sure as hell has nothing to do with quality.
 
I had an early Schon ebony cue around 1985 it played well.
I sold it and bought a Meucci same time period.
The Meucci did everything better.
Draw,follow spin with much less effort.
It seemed to amplify my stroke.
I could draw the cue ball the length of the table with less effort.
It took a while to get used to using less force to move the cue ball.
But it warped with in 6 months.
Great playing cue.
Bad quality.
 
jrctherake said:
BIGGEST REASON IS BECAUSE THEY BOTH ARE ...... cheap!!!!!!

Sure as hell has nothing to do with quality.
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As far as Schon is concerned i would strongly disagree with you. I have seen a couple where the butt-cap/sleeve line could be felt and also a few shafts where ferrule/wood line was same but other than that every Schon i've had/seen/used were built to very high standard. I can't say that about Meucci's however. Quality can be a bit of a crap shoot.
 
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