What happened to Mike Sigel in Paris?

Bamacues said:
Oh yea... I didn't see ANY of these guys...
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Should've looked closer, SVB was playing on that Eurotour stop (along with Mike and two other Americans). Hopefully it wasn't his/their last appearance, it certainly makes for a more exciting field when guys from the states are playing.
 
miha said:
Should've looked closer, SVB was playing on that Eurotour stop (along with Mike and two other Americans). Hopefully it wasn't his/their last appearance, it certainly makes for a more exciting field when guys from the states are playing.
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I know that an individual player has played a stop from time to time...what I posted was the top 20 on the EuroTour in my last post, per the Euro website.

What I was getting at is that if none of these guys (USA) is in the top 20, they are not playing many (if any) stops.

I understand it was Mike's intention to play the full tour as a "comeback" and that could have prompted others from the USA to spend more time on the tour, especially if Mike had some level of success. That would have been good for the Eurotour and pool in general.

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
You got that right!! By the way, does anyone even know who won the tourney? Seems like the most exciting thing about it was Mike's hiatus.

I am not going to mention any names, but watching a couple of the top Euro players is like watching my fingernails grow..boring..no personality at all. Mike's "mistake" was that he was trying to get the audience involved and interested in the game...and folks actually wonder why pool is failing to grow.

Here is a list of the top players in Eurotour....I recognize only a few of them. Notice no Americans. Had Mike stayed on tour, that might have changed in a year or two, and that would have been good for pool in Europe and the US.

1 Souquet, Ralf GER 2560
2 Majid, Imran GBR 2330
3 Feijen, Niels NED 2220
4 Gray, Mark GBR 2180
5 Sniegocki, Mateusz POL 2180
6 Chamat, Marcus SWE 2135
7 Appleton, Darren GBR 2125
8 Peach, Daryl GBR 2115
9 Osborne, Craig GBR 2110
10 Ortmann, Oliver GER 2085
11 Alcaide, David ESP 1955
12 Jungo, Dimitri SUI 1935
13 Boyes, Karl GBR 1910
14 Higgins, Scott GBR 1825
15 Hybler, Roman CZE 1820
16 Engert, Thomas GER 1810
17 Petroni, Fabio ITA 1795
18 Jones, Richard GBR 1785
19 Chinakhov, Ruslan RUS 1780
20 Berg-van-den, Nick NED 1755
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:confused::confused::confused:You recognize only a few of them :confused::confused::confused:

See, that was the point from the beginning in my eyes.
I am a pool player and enthusiast and i know all of the TOP 20 Americans i will read.
You are an American and you love pool too, but................
you don´t know the best players outside of America, even if they are World- or European Champions.

I think that says something about you, but not only about you,
i think the most americans in that way are like you.
They only know their guys and are not interested in something outside of the states.

And that for sure is the reason why no americans are playing in tournaments outside.
I think there would be enough great locations in europe and asia to play, but...... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Erich
 
Bamacues said:
I am not going to mention any names, but watching a couple of the top Euro players is like watching my fingernails grow..boring..no personality at all. Mike's "mistake" was that he was trying to get the audience involved and interested in the game...and folks actually wonder why pool is failing to grow.

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That's the thing pool is doing just fine in Europe.. a dedicated youth program and a well defined amatuer/pro teir system, ensure that it will continue to grow for a long time.
 
I think a lot has to do with the fact that Mike didn't have a slightest chance to win this event, and he knows it. If he were one of pre tournament favourites, would he have forfeited?
Shane on the other hand is a different story. Cool customer, always a threat to win anytime and anywhere. Quarterfinal was an excellent result for a first timer. People don't realize how tough the Eurotour events are.
 
predator said:
I think a lot has to do with the fact that Mike didn't have a slightest chance to win this event, and he knows it. If he were one of pre tournament favourites, would he have forfeited?
Shane on the other hand is a different story. Cool customer, always a threat to win anytime and anywhere. Quarterfinal was an excellent result for a first timer. People don't realize how tough the Eurotour events are.
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That´s like i saw it too !!
It´s so hard to play a great tournament that far away from home with a foreign language.
And i realy think it was a great idea from SVB to stay here for the Euro Tour after the WTC.
To be able to go threw to the quaters the first time up here - i think that´s awesome, congrats Shane. :thumbup:

Erich
 
Let's see how does in Beil.

He has a couple of 5K race to 50 sets lined up before the tourney.

Lotsa action in a short time... I will be sweating that one pretty hard.
 
mair23 said:
See, that was the point from the beginning in my eyes.
I am a pool player and enthusiast and i know all of the TOP 20 Americans i will read.
You are an American and you love pool too, but................
you don´t know the best players outside of America, even if they are World- or European Champions.

I think that says something about you, but not only about you,
i think the most americans in that way are like you.
They only know their guys and are not interested in something outside of the states.

And that for sure is the reason why no americans are playing in tournaments outside.
I think there would be enough great locations in europe and asia to play, but...... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Erich
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I think you are pretty much spot-on in your analysis. I only recognize the names (probably half of the list) of the Europeans that I have seen here on US TV. Those would only be those who have won events or placed high enough to be televised here. Of course, I also recognize those from the team events, like Mosconi Cup, World Team Championships, etc (I actually prefer to watch the team events over individual ones.

I imagine that it is pretty much the same in Europe. I doubt that the Reno Open sees too much TV time in Europe, and that is understandable. We all want to root for our "local" heros.

That is why it was a shame to see Sigel leave the tour. It is easy to say "He could never have won.", but the truth is that no one will ever know, now. If he had gotten back to 90% of what he was, he would have been extremely competitive, and that would have been good for the universal game of pool, IMO.

I also noticed that there are no Filipino names in the top 20 of the Eurotour, so it is not drawing those top players, either. With the expense and language problems, that is understandable.

BTW, is there a Euro website that broadcasts pool tournaments? If so, give me a link so I can try to watch more Euro pool.
 
smokeandapancak said:
Here ya go joe .. this is a PPV link though...

If it makes it easier for you fork over the cash... Shane is playing in it.
www.pool-stream.com
http://www.gpobiel.ch/
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Thanks...I will try to watch some of it, although I won't be able to understand any of it, I am sure.

Sort of funny that SVB is the main draw instead of the Euro top players.

Think of the draw if Mike Sigel HAD been able to return to some sort of top form.

Joe
 
well he is one of (if not THE) top players in the world...I dont care if the event was in Manilla he would still be the draw... at least for us Yanks.


I will take the field in this tourney though.. and the window is open BTW
 
Sigel in top form against SVB....wow, that would be awesome. SVB could turn down the hearing aid and Mike could talk all he wanted. Perfect match for both.:smile:
 
Bamacues said:
Thanks...I will try to watch some of it, although I won't be able to understand any of it, I am sure.

Sort of funny that SVB is the main draw instead of the Euro top players.

Think of the draw if Mike Sigel HAD been able to return to some sort of top form.

Joe
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Dear Joe,

first of all i would say the homepage of the European Pool Billard Federation is not that bad.

http://www.epbf.com/

You can see all Rankings and pics and stats from most of the players if you search a little.
And for sure you will find LIVESTREAMS (pay per view) for all EURO TOUR STOPS and EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

http://www.eurotouronline.eu/ - that´s the Eurotour Link from the EPBF site !!



And now, can you remember when Eurpeans or Philipines or other non americans first came over to the US.
They had done that only one or two times per year and started to play great and even win big.
Think about it, these where the guys the americans watched, too :grin:

If i only think about Oliver Ortmann as a Straight Pool Sensation from Europe,
or lets talk about what happened when Efren came to the States at the beginning.
I think their style of play (european and asien styles) changed the way to play pool over the last decades for sure, too.

In that case i think it´s normal that we like to see SVB or Mike Sigel, because we don´t get the chance that often. ;):thumbup:

Erich
 
mair23 said:
If i only think about Oliver Ortmann as a Straight Pool Sensation from Europe,
or lets talk about what happened when Efren came to the States at the beginning.
I think their style of play (european and asien styles) changed the way to play pool over the last decades for sure, too.

In that case i think it´s normal that we like to see SVB or Mike Sigel, because we don´t get the chance that often. ;):thumbup:

Erich
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Erich:

Absolutely correct. People all over the world who love pool need to see these great players. That is why it is so important to have players welcome to travel to other venues around the world. Everyone wins.

I love pool...I have been playing since 1963. I love to see other champions. i was very, very fortunate to have to travel to Thailand a few years back, and it happened to be during the World Snooker Championships, and I had the opportunity to see a little of it. What fun that was!!

Joe
 
jay helfert said:
I've got a great idea. Mike could talk to his friend Kevin, who claims to be a billionaire and have him start his own pool tour. Better yet, set it up so that Mike plays in the finals every week. What??? Ohh??? He already did that! Never mind. :p
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The arguments in this thread should have ended with this.
 
That is just plain Bull Shit

predator said:
I think a lot has to do with the fact that Mike didn't have a slightest chance to win this event, and he knows it. If he were one of pre tournament favourites, would he have forfeited?
Shane on the other hand is a different story. Cool customer, always a threat to win anytime and anywhere. Quarterfinal was an excellent result for a first timer. People don't realize how tough the Eurotour events are.
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I believe the match Mike forfeited was that one that would have put him in the final 32 elimination bracket.

Did not have a chance? You have got to be kidding me.
 
Good thing SVB does not take that tour OVER

Bamacues said:
You got that right!! By the way, does anyone even know who won the tourney? Seems like the most exciting thing about it was Mike's hiatus.

I am not going to mention any names, but watching a couple of the top Euro players is like watching my fingernails grow..boring..no personality at all. Mike's "mistake" was that he was trying to get the audience involved and interested in the game...and folks actually wonder why pool is failing to grow.

Here is a list of the top players in Eurotour....I recognize only a few of them. Notice no Americans. Had Mike stayed on tour, that might have changed in a year or two, and that would have been good for pool in Europe and the US.

1 Souquet, Ralf GER 2560
2 Majid, Imran GBR 2330
3 Feijen, Niels NED 2220
4 Gray, Mark GBR 2180
5 Sniegocki, Mateusz POL 2180
6 Chamat, Marcus SWE 2135
7 Appleton, Darren GBR 2125
8 Peach, Daryl GBR 2115
9 Osborne, Craig GBR 2110
10 Ortmann, Oliver GER 2085
11 Alcaide, David ESP 1955
12 Jungo, Dimitri SUI 1935
13 Boyes, Karl GBR 1910
14 Higgins, Scott GBR 1825
15 Hybler, Roman CZE 1820
16 Engert, Thomas GER 1810
17 Petroni, Fabio ITA 1795
18 Jones, Richard GBR 1785
19 Chinakhov, Ruslan RUS 1780
20 Berg-van-den, Nick NED 1755

Oh yea... I didn't see ANY of these guys...
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Too bad SVB does not play in this tour, then it would be called the Steve Van Tour.

He would drill holes through these Euro types over and over, event after event.
 
markpatrick said:
Too bad SVB does not play in this tour, then it would be called the Steve Van Tour.

He would drill holes through these Euro types over and over, event after event.
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.. you have your chance to take him against that field on the 4/5th of March......

The window is open.
 
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