Who wouldn't call a foul on themselves?

Have you ever fouled and not admitted it to your opponent?

  • Yes - If they aren't paying attention it's their fault

    Votes: 26 13.9%

  • No - I have integrity

    Votes: 133 71.1%

  • Maybe - I might've

    Votes: 28 15.0%
  • Total voters
    187
the ruls

Tournment and league rules are that a player does not have to call a foul on themselves it is the opponents job to pay attention. If the opponent is not sure if a hit will be leagal it is their job to have an impartial person watch the hit. The call is then up to that impartial person but if the opponent did not call for a ref and there is a despute rather the hit was legal or not it goes to shooters choice.

I give my fouls up 99 % of the time, but i have had occasions in tournments or gambling (normaly gambling) where my opponent has sharked me or done something. If he starts talking s*$%# and in the match I fouled while they where to busy running their mouth to there friends. I give them a long enough chance to call it, dont try to shield it and if he calls it i give it if he doesnt i'll shoot it.
 
I always call foul on myself. I can't stomach myself winning under false pretenses. I would much rather lose honorably than win as a liar.
 
Well I think you have to go with the flow. What I mean by that is this. I have a list of people in my mind (some top notch players) that I've seen foul and either not tell there opponent, or if there opponent didn't call a ref to watch the hit the player would say "I thought it was a good hit" knowing it wasn't.

So for me if I'm playing an honest gentleman I'll go out of my way to call a foul on myself. If I'm playing one of the players on my list then I will play just like they do.
 
I agree with most of the people on here and will call my own fouls, or hand my opponent ball in hand. However, I do feel that my opponent is responsible for paying attention when I'm shooting. We've all played the guy that's off doing his own this until it's his turn then always ask "was that a foul?" when he comes back to the table. LOL I won't lie in that situation, but when a guy is too busy texting or chatting, or whatever else, and obviously not interested in what is going on when I'm at the table, I don't feel obligated to give him the play-by-play when it's his turn to shoot.
 
Foul

It's easier just to pickup the CB and hand it to your opponent.

I like to call a foul everytime the other player shoots.
Like no rail when he shoots the ball straight in, rotational foul when another ball drops especially the nine,
over spinning of the cueball, combination fouls, excessive use of the cushions, etc.
 
Situational ethics?

I'm no saint but i try to play honest.On the other hand if a ball is
near a rail i just don't look when it's my shot...if he doesn't feel like checking i just shoot like it's not froze.Also i would never tell my
opponent he is shooting the wrong ball and i don't want be told
if i am.It's up to the shooter to be aware.
But i call my own fouls ,like touching the cue ball or not getting
a rail,even if i'm playing someone who doesn't.
If you allow your opponent to determine your morals then you
are allowing him to make the world a worse place instead of you
making it a better one.
 
Everyone has to decide this for himself. There are several *guys* which would take any advantage....however they could get it (no offense!)

If you re playing without a referee it s always difficult to decide- some fouls (with clothes for example) almost not able to *feel* for yourself and hard to see for your opponent. But in my opinion you KNOW BEFORE you re going down to your stroke, that it will be very close- in this case i always call a 3 rd person to have a look-so later no chance to get into trouble.

I for myself would call any fould i made accidently- no matter who my opponent is. In our team we have had a bad story long time ago because of such a situation. We were playing on a big tournament (8-ball) years ago- The single finals i won already- and after the final we played also the team-final. After all games we ended in a draw and so there was a penalty game to find the winner-
So i was choosen to play this decisive role......
my opponent breaked and ended on the his last solid ball. So i started my run and ended in this situation:

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The audience were in front of me- so they for sure were not able to see if i would contact the 3-ball with my arm when trying to playing to place my bridge to shoot the eight ball. It was a very difficult position for a right-handed player. The referee stood a back behind me (right side) and didn t notice when i touched the 3 ball with my arm (i just felt it- think it didn t move a mm). So i went off the table and called that i made a fould- my enemy of course ran out and we lost the final.
After that a *team-mate* was so ****ing pissed that we got into really bad trouble- *you would never have called a fould if you wouldn t have won your single-final before* blablabla- he left our team after this tournament.....very sad in my opinion.
I would act everytime again like a did-and i did for sure everytime. I have to live with things like that- noone else. but i would never be angry to someone if he would try to play further if noone noticed it. That are just the rules.


Ingo
 
I'm not so bold as to say I never have or never would, but I can't remember I time where I didn't. Not my style. But I don't gamble (on my pool playing, at least :o ) so it's easy for me to take the high road, with nothing on the line but who wins and who loses. I won't go so far as to point out my opponent aiming at the wrong ball, during league play. That's simply a dumb mistake, not a foul or any such, and goodness knows I've made enough dumb mistakes of my own over the years, and I learned from them. If we're playing casually, I point that out every time, with no hesitation.

Earlier this league session I took a shot where it wasn't clear whether or not it was a good shot or not. My opponent asked me, and I honestly didn't know. We didn't have an impartial party watch it, so I gave her ball in hand with no hesitation. She thought it wasn't good, and I couldn't tell. Boy was my team captain po'd.... :p I want to play straight up, so that's how I played it. (Turns out I came back in that game and should have won it for the match, were it not for a botched shot on my part. My doing "the right thing" didn't affect the match one bit. The team captain didn't say boo to me about it afterward. Nice to do the right thing at your own expense, and not have it do you in.) I also learned to get someone else to watch a shot if it has the potential to be questionable.

Cheaters never win, in the long run. They have to live with themselves at the end of the day. If they find cheating acceptable, they must have a pretty miserable life.
 
It sounds like Samm's opponent was berating her for not catching it... either way it's incredibly dishonest. If you missed a foul, okay your mistake, but there's no point in rubbing it in. If he was generally trying to help you keep an eye out, he would've called the foul on himself - but obviously he was more interested in winning than being an honest player.

I call all fouls on myself. If I touch another ball trying to bridge, I stand up and let the opponent know and figure out what they want to do about it.
 
I always call fouls on myself unless there is a third party watching the hit then I trust their decision. If I know I fouled and did not call it I would feel guilty and probably lose the whole match not just the game.
 
In a league like APA or what have you this is especially important because we dont have referees so you hope your opponent has the integrity to play by the rules and be honest.

Where I play league, bc of tables being close you sometimes have to watch the match from a decent distance. Not real far away, but far enough you cant see every little thing. Granted on the close ones you get a "ref", but what about safeties when they are slow rolling to the rail. Gotta take their word for it and hope its trustworthy. I always tell myself when I feel screwed, that if you gotta when an amatuer league match dishonestly its pretty sad.
 
Where is that David Alcaide clip at? He called a foul on himself that was incredibly difficult to see at normal speed. Him and his partner were playing Daz and his partner in the world cup of pool this year. It was a hill-hill game and if Alcaide doesn't admit the foul his team wins. The ref didn't even see it. Very classy professional player.
 
One of the first threads I posted in . . .

Back when I first came to AZB there was a thread asking if you had ever done anything at all wrong on a pool table. Forty-two people posted before I did, each and every one proclaiming they had always been perfectly behaved on a pool table. As soon as I posted that I have indeed met folks halfway then people came forward stating they did too.

If you are stuck playing a cheater such as in a tournament or league and you don't play by their rules you are giving them a spot for being a cheater. I'm not going to play them outside of a structured event when I have to these days but I'm not spotting them a thing I don't have to either.

I recently played a guy that was known to play fast and loose with the rules in a tournament. He didn't cheat in our match so I didn't. Had he cheated I would have replied in kind or made him think I did. It is one of the finest sharks, leave the cue ball where you park your butt square in front of the other player and then jerk your head around as soon as you shoot as if to see if he saw anything, then continue shooting! Knowing they cheat themselves they are "sure" you did. I have had people claim I fouled when I didn't come within six inches of a foul just because I did the jerk my head around thing. I do my best to make cheaters lives miserable while they play me and if that includes a little bit of their own medicine it doesn't bother me at all. Matter of fact it makes my day to run these folks ragged trying to watch any shot of mine that there is a faint possibility of me fouling.

Hu
 
back when i was new to league play, very rarely did players automatically call their own fouls and give up the table. it was just the culture of that league at that time. if a player did commit a foul, they would usually pause at the table for a moment and wait for "foul" to be called by the opposing player. if the opponent didn't call foul, the initial player continued shooting. looking back, it was a bit of tough love and it was good for me; it forced me to pay attention to my match and get up to speed on the rules.

today though, i automatically hand the cue ball over if i commit a foul, regardless of whether or not my opponent saw it. this is partly because it doesn't sit right with me to win a game knowing i'd fouled, and partly because of some quality players i've played against that have shown me that respect.
 
Yes I would call a foul on myself, on the other hand if the opponent isn't watching the match then I don't tell em coz its their own fault for not paying attention to the game.
 
I am a recreational player and don't do this for a living but I doubt that would have any effect on my decision to call it on myself.
I have called fouls on myself that were so close I could have easliy gotten away with it. I just can't, in good conscience, keep shooting.
It's about character at this point, IMO, I NEVER want to give anyone an excuse to call my integrity into question.
 
Its been my experience in league play that most players can not tell the difference between a bad hit when it is close.

Also, you get a lot of people that will blast the shot as hard as they can so you don't get a good look at the hit, then just keep shooting.

The guy I shot last night had a shot that I didn't think he could really make. He hit it soft and it made it an easy call. I play that way also. Blasting them is pretty much the same as cheating, IMO.
 
I call all fauls on myself. Regardless if it is practice
or the finals of a tourney.

If I were to win because of the faul I knew I committed
and didn't call, it would not be a win. I would probably
throw my cues out on the way home.

Mike
 
If I know I committed a foul, I'll call it on myself and turn the table over to the opponent. If I'm not sure, I'll usually see if anyone else saw it or stay silent. The leagues/tournaments I play in have a rule that calls disputed after the fact go to the shooter, so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong if I'm honestly not sure.

Two situations came up recently that I think are tougher calls:

1) In league play, my teammate was playing and made a bad hit that the opponent didn't see. He turned to me and asked if the hit was good. I asked if he was sure he wanted me to get involved. He said yes, so I called it a bad hit. My rule of thumb as a spectator is that I'll only get involved if specifically asked, and only if I can make a clear ruling.

2) In a cue-ball-fouls-only tournament, I had a couple of balls close together and near a pocket that I had to lean over. My opponent claimed my shirt hit the balls and moved them. It's possible that I touched the balls (I don't know for sure), but I know that both balls went into the near pocket both before and after my shot. In 9-ball the first thing you do is survey the table and look for any trouble, so I'm positive both balls went. My opponent wanted to re-set the balls such that they weren't makeable. Since this tournament also has a "dispute goes to the shooter" rule I would up winning the argument, but I couldn't tell if my opponent was trying to cheat me or not.
 
I usually will take the foul if I committed one. I say usually because it depends on my opponents behavior. If he is not respecting me or the game I will just keep on playing. By this I mean he is not paying attention because he is too busy texting, on the phone or messing around and just not into the game, as if he was bored or not concerned about me as a opponent. If I feel he is intentionally missing trying to sandbag or anything else that is not good sportsmanship I will not give myself up on a foul unless he sees it.

If someone goes to the restroom or bar while I am shooting and he tells me to keep on playing I will definitely not cheat because he is trusting me and I will expect the same from him.
 
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