High Praise for John Schmidt - Player Review

Falcon Eddie said:
A pro player .... made the statement insinuating that " that's no big deal anybody could have done that." .
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Eddie,
How ironic. While at the Maryland 14.1 State tournament last year; I overheard a pro level player (who shall remain nameless) say to Danny Harriman before the tourney started, "this tournament is just all luck, we all shoot the same, it just comes down to who gets the rolls." I was flabbergasted because that player has absolutely no chance against Danny; if they played a hundred times, I'm doubtful this guy could beat Danny more than a few times (he has absolutely zero knowledge of straight pool). Danny just nodded, but I'm quite suspicious that he recognized how ridiculous this statement was.

As Danny D. says, "if you knew what you don't know, then you wouldn't 'not know it' ". Too many players think that if you can pocket balls then there is nothing more to the game. Too many players have problems with ego reinforcement; their only sense of self-worth often comes from pool - this particular pro wanted to think he was as good as players like Danny and John; but it seems quite doubtful to me.
 
Williebetmore said:
Eddie,
How ironic. While at the Maryland 14.1 State tournament last year; I overheard a pro level player (who shall remain nameless) say to Danny Harriman before the tourney started, "this tournament is just all luck, we all shoot the same, it just comes down to who gets the rolls." I was flabbergasted because that player has absolutely no chance against Danny; if they played a hundred times, I'm doubtful this guy could beat Danny more than a few times (he has absolutely zero knowledge of straight pool). Danny just nodded, but I'm quite suspicious that he recognized how ridiculous this statement was.

As Danny D. says, "if you knew what you don't know, then you wouldn't 'not know it' ". Too many players think that if you can pocket balls then there is nothing more to the game. Too many players have problems with ego reinforcement; their only sense of self-worth often comes from pool - this particular pro wanted to think he was as good as players like Danny and John; but it seems quite doubtful to me.
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The only one these people are fooling is themselves. I just played a guy tonite , came from behind for the win. We're only playing to 75. He states " I can't believe I gave you that ". I made it a point to make sure every game afterward left no doubt in his mind. I never said a word after his excuse. We all feel a need to defend sometimes....but the best defense is a great offense.
 
hey JimS...

JimS said:
John;

I hope you just avoid the whole thing.

It would get ugly and the prospect of a few bucks or some ego points just aint worth it... imo.

I wish you would just put Danny out of your life and refuse to let him back in.... no matter what.

I can't see where anything good can come from it.

Just another opinion.
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can you elaborate in a PM?

and note, i do not disagree...

best,
smokey
 
hey John...

john schmidt said:
smokey sorry about the victorville thing but my backer owns poolroom there ,a nice one .

also tar wants to do the all around not just 14.1.

whatever happens you da man trying to put money in our pockets
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victorville is cool, it a nice ride from vagas [except in august on a motorcycle that is - just blistering hot]

i have a little problem with the all around, but will now post in a reply to JCIN.

all the best,
smokey
 
hey tiny [i jave nicks for everyone and yours is 'tiny']...

JCIN said:
I stopped reading this thread about Valley Forge time so I missed Smokey's most generous offer to get these two to play. Hell of an offer Smokey. It is very cool to see someone put their money where their mouth is when things like this come up.

I spoke with John yesterday and instead of making 20 phone calls I am just going to put it out here. If Smokey will post his end with us we will commit to the offer we made of a $1000 each, airfare and hotel for both players. This is only if they play the same all-around format as the first two matches. In my experience lots of people talk about 14.1 and how much they want to see it but our numbers don't agree with that. During past all arounds the 14.1 was the lowest selling day by a large margin so before we commit close to $4000 to this thing we need at least a prayer of getting even. That means an all around.

I would prefer to do it in Vegas like Smokey but I know John's backer Gary and he has traveled all over the country to put John in three of our matches so if he wants it in his room that is good for me. Sometime in the middle or end of June would be good as we are completely booked for the month of May and will be wrecked for the couple of weeks after Nationals. Plus it will give us time to promote it.

I will write up a contract detailing what we are offering, what the players receive, rules and code of conduct if all parties say they are interested.

Just like Smokey I would like an answer on this in a fairly short time frame. Lets say by next Friday. So far we have Smokey and us committing what will add up to about $6000 to see this match with Smokey doing it just for the love of the game and us gambling we can make something on it on the back end. If it doesn't go this time I am over it.
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okay, here's the deal:

A] as soon as you have a contract with John and Danny, you can have a bank check, or, cash, or, a wire for 2 dimes. on contingency, if you need, i will post the money on this monday the 5th, or, thereafter as required, with the stipulation that you will have a completed contract within this month, or, if not, you will return the funds by months end

B] i will relinquish all my conditions and give you full authority to determine all [providing the match is within this summer, as contracted

so, now you can do as you see fit; and that is a done deal; spoken to and committed to; however, i just want to add my thoughts for your consideration:

i] i would like to see this challenge for only one aspect of pool and that is for 14.1

ii] i do not believe that any player has to be the best at multiple forms of pool, but only the best at the one being challenged

iii] while i am not the greatest 10 ball fan {i prefer rotation personally} but the TAR match as you remember me telling you between Alex and Shane was the best pool i have ever seen; and it was just one aspect of the games, not 3

iiii] and importantly, i had asked for a 14.1 match to 1,000 [or, if all agreed] to 1,500; but if now a 3 discipline match, that will not be in the cards, and that pains me most of all

anyway, i just wanted to vent...

and i guess, it will be pretty much that you will tell me to go "x" myself, so guess what, i will get even [at least i will try]. no use i guess, but at least AZB [even if not you 'tiny'] let's me vent pretty often [maybe falling on deaf ears, but, i can get a lot off my chest anyway]

all the best always, and Good Luck,
smokey
 
smokey said:
okay, here's the deal:

A] as soon as you have a contract with John and Danny, you can have a bank check, or, cash, or, a wire for 2 dimes. on contingency, if you need, i will post the money on this monday the 5th, or, thereafter as required, with the stipulation that you will have a completed contract within this month, or, if not, you will return the funds by months end

B] i will relinquish all my conditions and give you full authority to determine all [providing the match is within this summer, as contracted

so, now you can do as you see fit; and that is a done deal; spoken to and committed to; however, i just want to add my thoughts for your consideration:

i] i would like to see this challenge for only one aspect of pool and that is for 14.1

ii] i do not believe that any player has to be the best at multiple forms of pool, but only the best at the one being challenged

iii] while i am not the greatest 10 ball fan {i prefer rotation personally} but the TAR match as you remember me telling you between Alex and Shane was the best pool i have ever seen; and it was just one aspect of the games, not 3

iiii] and importantly, i had asked for a 14.1 match to 1,000 [or, if all agreed] to 1,500; but if now a 3 discipline match, that will not be in the cards, and that pains me most of all

anyway, i just wanted to vent...

and i guess, it will be pretty much that you will tell me to go "x" myself, so guess what, i will get even [at least i will try]. no use i guess, but at least AZB [even if not you 'tiny'] let's me vent pretty often [maybe falling on deaf ears, but, i can get a lot off my chest anyway]

all the best always, and Good Luck,
smokey
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First thing is I would never tell you go "x" yourself Smokey. Whether this thing goes off or not I commend you on trying to make something happen. It's a hell of a thing. Hat's off to you sir.

The reason why it would have to be an all around for us to commit about $4000 to this is several reasons with one being foremost: If they play again it will be the rubber match.

They have played 2 sets of each game and they are dead even. The one pocket is crazy if you look at it: 38 games of one pocket and the score is 19-19.

I am sure people will watch a rubber match. I am also sure most will not watch a super long race of just 14.1

If you are in for the all around so are we. If not I hope these guys come out and play a 14.1 set for you in Vegas I would pay admission to watch it if possible.

I am a bit confused as to if you will only post for the straight pool but not the all around. I understand if you only will pay for 14.1 cause that is all that interests you. If you say no you still have all the respect in the world from me.

So just to be perfectly clear if you will put up $2000 ($1000 to to go to each player) for them to play an all around in Victorville consisting of a race to 400 14.1, race to 10 one pocket, and race to 30 ten ball then we will commit the same plus pay airfare and hotel for both guys.

So I guess just say yes for the all around or no not interested.

If yes I will get the contract together and since Danny hasnt weighed in here, try to contact him ASAP.

Like I said. Much respect either way.
 
JCIN said:
First thing is I would never tell you go "x" yourself Smokey. Whether this thing goes off or not I commend you on trying to make something happen. It's a hell of a thing. Hat's off to you sir.

The reason why it would have to be an all around for us to commit about $4000 to this is several reasons with one being foremost: If they play again it will be the rubber match.

They have played 2 sets of each game and they are dead even. The one pocket is crazy if you look at it: 38 games of one pocket and the score is 19-19.

I am sure people will watch a rubber match. I am also sure most will not watch a super long race of just 14.1

If you are in for the all around so are we. If not I hope these guys come out and play a 14.1 set for you in Vegas I would pay admission to watch it if possible.

I am a bit confused as to if you will only post for the straight pool but not the all around. I understand if you only will pay for 14.1 cause that is all that interests you. If you say no you still have all the respect in the world from me.

So just to be perfectly clear if you will put up $2000 ($1000 to to go to each player) for them to play an all around in Victorville consisting of a race to 400 14.1, race to 10 one pocket, and race to 30 ten ball then we will commit the same plus pay airfare and hotel for both guys.

So I guess just say yes for the all around or no not interested.

If yes I will get the contract together and since Danny hasnt weighed in here, try to contact him ASAP.

Like I said. Much respect either way.
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I would bet dimes to donuts this match would never come off ...all this talk has scared him off.
 
I sure can't speak for Danny, but one thing that would give me pause as a player would be the supporters of this match so readily agreeing to staging the match at my opponent's backer's pool room.
 
Underclocked said:
I sure can't speak for Danny, but one thing that would give me pause as a player would be the supporters of this match so readily agreeing to staging the match at my opponent's backer's pool room.
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Johns backer went to Danny's backers room to play the last one. Asking that the third match be played in his room does not seem too out of line to me.
 
Thanks to smokey and TAR, outstanding offer to make this happen. I think this has a chance of going off and I really hope it does. Both players seem to have come to the end of their reactions from the past and this will be a huge draw for TAR in the slow summer months.

June would give Danny plenty of time to get in stroke. John is talking about repping a room, this would get that new location some national notice.

So I hope Danny and John man up and let the game speak and get past the ego and bickering from the past, both these guys play all games lights out, will be an excellent all around. All they need to do is show up and play, I know it will be priceless.

If this comes off I think TAR and pool will be the winner regardless of outcome.
 
hi JCIN...

JCIN said:
First thing is I would never tell you go "x" yourself Smokey. Whether this thing goes off or not I commend you on trying to make something happen. It's a hell of a thing. Hat's off to you sir.

The reason why it would have to be an all around for us to commit about $4000 to this is several reasons with one being foremost: If they play again it will be the rubber match.

They have played 2 sets of each game and they are dead even. The one pocket is crazy if you look at it: 38 games of one pocket and the score is 19-19.

I am sure people will watch a rubber match. I am also sure most will not watch a super long race of just 14.1

If you are in for the all around so are we. If not I hope these guys come out and play a 14.1 set for you in Vegas I would pay admission to watch it if possible.

I am a bit confused as to if you will only post for the straight pool but not the all around. I understand if you only will pay for 14.1 cause that is all that interests you. If you say no you still have all the respect in the world from me.

So just to be perfectly clear if you will put up $2000 ($1000 to to go to each player) for them to play an all around in Victorville consisting of a race to 400 14.1, race to 10 one pocket, and race to 30 ten ball then we will commit the same plus pay airfare and hotel for both guys.

So I guess just say yes for the all around or no not interested.

If yes I will get the contract together and since Danny hasnt weighed in here, try to contact him ASAP.

Like I said. Much respect either way.
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sri for my late reply today but i needed some extra time to clarify my thoughts; so here goes:

1st: in the below quote from me, please again read the 'blue' highlighted parts:

smokey said:
okay, here's the deal:

A] as soon as you have a contract with John and Danny, you can have a bank check, or, cash, or, a wire for 2 dimes. on contingency, if you need, i will post the money on this monday the 5th, or, thereafter as required, with the stipulation that you will have a completed contract within this month, or, if not, you will return the funds by months end

B] i will relinquish all my conditions and give you full authority to determine all [providing the match is within this summer, as contracted

so, now you can do as you see fit; and that is a done deal; spoken to and committed to; however, i just want to add my thoughts for your consideration:

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and to me, the highlighted section above clearly indicates i'm in; did i state my intentions improperly?

and if i did, i will state again, i am in, regardless whether victorville or vegas, and what game/s.

but honesty, i feel that for my personal commitment, i would have thought i would get "some say" in the event, as examples:

i asked for vegas, but that's not best for John;
i asked for only 14.1, but that's not best for you.

the players will make money to the tune of 3 dimes each from us against a possible loss, but the other will hit some really serious dough

you will have at least the chance to make some money

me, well its all a direct loss, right?

so i will just reiterate my points and then just accept what you guys decide:

1. i think vegas will be a better venue, and is also more convenient for me, and i think you too...

2. i know you know much more about different pool games and what interests more folks than i do, and for sure, every time i go to the 14.1 forum there are only a handful of people there. but please let me tell you what i believe:

i find it very exciting to watch 'runs' in 14.1, there is such an excitement and thrill in seeing 'high runs', 50 balls, 100 balls, and more. its much more thrilling at least to me than a 8/9/10 ball run.

maybe incorrectly but i believe that if there were more 14.1 professional matches, it would be great for pool and more and more players would get involved in 14.1. [and be Great for TV too, imho, and that is what can really help the players and pool most, Big Money!]

i understand that for the casual player who goes to shoot pool and for leagues or fun, 14.1 is not the game both due to time and table cost. but that does not mean that more professional 14.1 would not be a major boost in interest in pool.

and just for an analogy; what if golf was just 2 holes? and they played those 2 holes over and over and over again; like 8/9/10 ball. [look at the interest in snooker as another example and look at the sponsorship, and Big Money]

anyway, just my thoughts.

and as you mentioned in an earlier post, "The Code of Conduct" must not allow any unprofessional, ungentlemanly incident, just 2 gentlemen playing a gentleman's game/s. and if otherwise they will forfeit my contribution, and that should be included and agreed to. please confirm.

i hope all from me is clear

Good Luck and all the best,
smokey
 
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When and if you get things lined out, I will PREPAY for my PPV.

If this helps maybe if we can get a 100-200 people to prepay.

I am not ready to step up to the plate like Smokey, (hats off btw). But I would like to see another all around, which could and should include 14.1.

I prefer watching 1 pocket and 10 ball, (as I assume most do).

JCIN, does getting a commitment for prepaying for PPV help in any way?

Just trying to help to make this happen.....

Ken
 
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Danny Harriman said:
I am tired of seeing the clicks in pool, John I do not hate you and or am I jealous of you either. I just realize that there are people who act very gracious when there comfortable. The men's Pro Tour has allway's been very clicky' and the popularity contest goes on and on blahh blaa, etc, vowel. Chad from the Action report even had to reprimand John and tell him to shut the *&^? up and shoot pool once when John was feeling threatened and acting poorly. He is not the only one guilty of this type of behaivour, I seriously doubt John would have given me a rematch if I would have been defeated in our first match up.

Please realize that I poke fun at John a bit cause I can, TAR offered him $ if he were to find the internal fortitude for a 3rd rematch against me - John graciously declined that offer. I think he said something about he would rather be eaten by a goat or that he had a life and I did not. I guess that life includes backing away from a battle that he knows is close. I understand John is now giving lessons, great for him cause I do think he should choose his pool battles more cautiously.

My offer still stands and I will play the great John Scmidt a 3rd TAR all around match up on nuetral ground, I need 1 month to prepare and I do believe John (Mr. Perfect) deserves this final offer from me. Our record stands 1-1, if he were to win in the 3rd match up I would stand corrected, the only way I will play is for an appearence fee and mandatory ref. Win or lose I will promise the folks at home watching some great pool. He has to promise me however that he won't throw chalk at me like he did in our first battle, wow how graciouse was that? There must have not been anyone important in the room and you could not see it from the overhead TAR cam but believe me this did happen and there was no apolagy after the incident. I won't apolagize to him if I were to defeat him in a 3rd all around, ohh and John if you read this just realize that the goat may be tougher than u think and *&^% splatters after it falls. Is this positive enough for u Creedo? I hope I get some points for the good towards my rating system Creedo, it's so important to me. Good by John me got a go mee ohh my ohh, son of a gun we'll have big fun on the bayou. Hey we could play in Lousiana I understand John has a backer from there, it will probably never happen as John has many excuses as to why he will decline my offer - just ask him.
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I wouldn't play him either john..
 
Danny Harriman said:
I have not been playing any 14.1, the nits try to keep me out of most of their private club invitational tournaments. Elite players such as Mr. 400 are very vocal I'm sure in doing whatever they can politically to keep me out
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You blame them? It's got nothing to do with your skills..
 
okay, days gone by...

just for the record, i will not sit here and wait day after day after day, until the cows decide they want to to come home...

i have decided...

i withdraw my offer. everybody already had more than enough time.

to Justin and John, to me, you are both great, being great for pool and all of us.

i will be here so if something comes up in the future, let me know.

all the best,
smokey
 
smokey said:
just for the record, i will not sit here and wait day after day after day, until the cows decide they want to to come home...

i have decided...

i withdraw my offer. everybody already had more than enough time.

to Justin and John, to me, you are both great, being great for pool and all of us.

i will be here so if something comes up in the future, let me know.

all the best,
smokey
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I think everyone can understand that. They were offered a freeroll and could not even confirm after two weeks. It is ridiculous and this whole debacle, which is made for TV, is why pool can't make any money. Here is a great opportunity for a grudge match that has the players almost perfectly matched and the money dead even and they can't work this out. Shame on them.
 
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