Learning things by Accident

8pack

8pack

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The number 2 shot in this clip happen to me one time by
accident. I had no other way to get shape on my ball other than go to the
end rail and try to hold the cueball within a foot or so clear up to the
other end of the table and this happened to me .
I didnt think it was possible ,the objectball was even frozen.
After the game we all had to inspect the rail.It wasnt the rail.
Ive been playing for awhile and have never seen this happen.
I stumble onto something by accident and at the time i wasnt glad but
now i am i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_rGbvuvMes
 
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I have gotten the 2nd by accident too and just thought "huh"... but yeah, it's kind of magic that the ball can do that. He puts it pretty far down the rail too.

Another one one in the same vein, you ever see this? ...it's clearly a slight cut and the CB should go away from the pocket, but somehow (swear I saw this) the CB stops at the moment of impact and then slightly changes direction TOWARDS the pocket. Then it scratches.

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Sometimes, learning by accident is the best way to learn. Take my third wife, for example. I accidentally got her pregnant and boy did I learn never to do that again. :smile:
 
That's how Efren said he learnd a lot of his"magic" shots. He would sit for hours watching bangers miss and go in another pocket...so he prcticed that shot. Johnnyt

PS:I'm in no way calling you a banger. Just giving some info on coming up with shots by aciedent.
 
CreeDo said:
I have gotten the 2nd by accident too and just thought "huh"... but yeah, it's kind of magic that the ball can do that. He puts it pretty far down the rail too.

Another one one in the same vein, you ever see this? ...it's clearly a slight cut and the CB should go away from the pocket, but somehow (swear I saw this) the CB stops at the moment of impact and then slightly changes direction TOWARDS the pocket. Then it scratches.

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If you hit this shot with a little high right and a descending stroke it will masse into the pocket.
 
measureman said:
If you hit this shot with a little high right and a descending stroke it will masse into the pocket.
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Measure, here's the hell of it... it's possible I got the ass end of the stick up a little, but in my memory I've done it with a level cue. That's how I shoot generally. I still don't understand it really. I was drilling it, no time for the ball to curve midway to the pocket. I was trying some heavy duty force follow and got it, but somehow after contact the ball veered right a little.

Maybe I got accidental elevation cuz the CB started foot from the rail or something.
 
8pack said:
The number 2 shot in this clip happen to me one time by
accident. I had no other way to get shape on my ball other than go to the
end rail and try to hold the cueball within a foot or so clear up to the
other end of the table and this happened to me .
I didnt think it was possible ,the objectball was even frozen.
After the game we all had to inspect the rail.It wasnt the rail.
Ive been playing for awhile and have never seen this happen.
I stumble onto something by accident and at the time i wasnt glad but
now i am i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_rGbvuvMes
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As far as learning by accident goes this is something that Efren has said many times over when asked how he knows so many "magical" shots.

He said that he watches bangers play and when they make a fluke shot he practices it until he can make it on purpose.

For your two shots in the video, the first one is not the one you are talking about as accidental but it is common for those who know how spin reacts off the rail. The way I always approach spin off the rail is this -

What can I make the cueball do if I were to shoot it directly into the rail? Once I know that then I work on being able to do it off another ball.

For the second shot; this is common when you shoot it with inside english.

In fact on this video you can see where a do a jump masse where the cueball is heading towards the frozen object ball at an angle and after contacting and making the ball the cue ball has so much spin on it that it goes down and doubles the corner.

http://www.jbcases.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11060&g2_serialNumber=1

Actually the cueball comes into the rail first about two balls above the eight, then spins back in to make the eight and then continues down table with spin to double the corner.

I have shot it many times where the cueball hits the eight first and then the spin makes it scratch behind the eight.
 
CreeDo said:
Measure, here's the hell of it... it's possible I got the ass end of the stick up a little, but in my memory I've done it with a level cue. That's how I shoot generally. I still don't understand it really. I was drilling it, no time for the ball to curve midway to the pocket. I was trying some heavy duty force follow and got it, but somehow after contact the ball veered right a little.

Maybe I got accidental elevation cuz the CB started foot from the rail or something.
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It's my experience that amateurs often hit the cue ball in ways that they swear they didn't.

I have a training ball called the CueSight training ball. It has tiny circles on it which correspond to half-tip offsets and the circle is about the size of the "contact patch" of chalk that the hit leaves on the cue ball. On the other side of the ball there are lines that correspond to a full tip offset.

This ball was developed through study of other similar training balls.

When I use the CueSight ball I find that I WANT TO hit the ball with high right spin (about one tip off center) but where I actually hit the ball might be closer to center right or about a half tip off center and this plays out all over the circumference of the ball.

This helps me tremendously to really focus on hitting the ball where I think I am.

For example my draw is inconsistent. Sometimes I can draw the cue ball two rails and then another time I can't draw it three inches.

Using this ball I was able to understand that I need to aim at a different point than I thought I did in order to be able to hit the cueball in the right spot every time.

The only way to have the cueball scratch behind the object ball using a fairly level stroke (by the way there is no such thing as a truly level stroke meaning that the cue is held parallel to the bed of the table. Try it sometime.)

The only way is hit the ball with the right amount of speed that swerve brings it into the object ball at a flatter angle. Otherwise there had to be some masse' happening with an elevated cue.

Corey Duell likes to shoot a proposition shot where he will stop the cue ball on the spot on a spot shot or keep the cueball from hitting the end rail.

This is achieved through swerve and a slight masse' which flattens out the cueball and allows it contact the object ball at an angle low enough to allow the cue ball's path to be halted before getting to the end rail.
 
I may have the sort of stroke flaw you're talking about, but I honestly wonder if this may be possible with a level cue. I got to play with joe tucker's 3rd eye trainer for a bit and got ok results. I'll try to recreate the shot.

I vaguely remember a sort of proposition shot where someone sets up the CB near the corner along the side rail, and an OB is a few inches away and must be cut slightly towards the rail to sink it in the pocket. Despite hitting the right side of the OB, the CB dives left and follows it into the pocket. Sort of like the passing lane shot without the pass. The one I'm thinking of may have been in a Byrne book and I don't recall whether it called for an elevated cue or not. Anyone remember it?
 
I've learned a lot of shots after being mad when I missed the previous shot and slammed one home. Surprisingly every time I did it I was stroking straight so I could duplicate it.
 
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