Thank you Pat Fleming

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The information here http://www.sfbilliards.com/accustats/

is priceless.

Thank you Bob Jewett and Pat Fleming for preserving it.

The marketing campaign done by Meucci in these magazines was brilliant.

It's not any wonder how they became the number one brand in the 80's and 90's.

'Cesar Morales (signs his name Efren Reyes) wins at Reds, the only other player using an alias Wade Crane (Billy Johnson) took second' - this stuff is golden.
 
Thanks, I'm a regular on Pat's gameshow stream. There is some interesting information there. One thing that caught my attention in 1984 was kick percentage. Highest successful kick percentage was Grady Mathews.
 
man that stuff is awesome :) And they aren't doing this anymore?!

That's an interesting point about kicks. I think I'll be recommending grady's kicking tape/dvd a little more strongly now. I see a pic of "Kris Villalpando"... a relation to lil joe? She's really striking.

I also like the lil accu-facts. Making a 9 on the break is a 1-in-38 proposition according the 84 sheet. If they use one of the modern racks that perfectly freezes the balls I bet that drops to more like 1-in-500.

I also notice that for 9b at least, a typical pro accuracy rate is more like 93-96%... I thought it was like 99.5% :) It's nice to know they can miss one out of 20.

Looks like a typical conversion rate for runnable racks is between 60-70% and that's also a typical rate for making a ball on the break. With that in mind, the odds of a pro breaking and running a 9b rack should be .7 x .7 ...right around 50%. That sounds right though I thought a little lower. I wonder how the modern racks have changed that too, if they could break from anywhere at any speed? The ball on the break should jump up to 90%. The runout conversion rate might also go up because the player can focus on controlling the 1 ball.

It's a real shame if these same numbers aren't still being tracked.
 
Kris was Joe's wife at the time. I'm not sure if she was number three or four. ;)
Regarding the pro accuracy ratings, and where the TPA comes from. It is based on ALL misses or mistakes, such as position errors, scratches, fouls etc.. Any player with a rating over 90% is excellent. Did you notice that Jean Balukas frequently played entire tournaments with a TPA over .900. I kind of doubt that many women pros today can do that.

One other very interesting thing I noticed. Efren (Caesar Morales) did win in shocking fashion at Reds in January 1985, but he did not win again until December at the Sands, and he played quite a few tournaments in between. In fact, Efren and Jose played the pro tour on a regular basis for the next three years (1985-87) and, although they won their share, they were not the dominant players. Earl is clearly the leader back then in tournament victories, with Sigel and Hall not far behind. Varner didn't do much until 1987. Wade Crane was also a factor in many tournaments, and Hopkins had a slew of top three finishes, but few wins.

I remember a period of several years where Efren did not win one major 9-Ball tournament. He was still a very good player, but continuously lost to players like Nick, Sigel, Buddy, Kim and Earl. This went on until the early 90's when he started winning again. It somewhat coincides with his rise to dominance in One Pocket. Efren's problem with winning at 9-Ball were attributed to his weak break. During this time frame when Efren was becoming the world's best One Pocket player, Parica was asserting himself as the best money player in the world. He took on all comers for the next 20 years, and no one beat him for the cash. Not at 9-Ball or Ten Ball anyway. Even at One Pocket, he may have been second only to Efren. NO ONE went looking for Jose to gamble with, I can tell you that. Even when guys like Mark Tadd and CJ Wiley were taking on the world, they gave Jose a wide berth. Efren meanwhile could get games at 9-Ball with several players. He won some and he lost some, but at One Pocket he reigned supreme.
 
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Not enough good things can be said about Pat Fleming and what he's managed to do to preserve some of pool's history. There's about three generations of great players that he's got on film now for the future generations to watch in amazement!

Kudos to you John for starting this thread!
 
Just for fun Pat "I don't play any more" Fleming jumped into an 8 ball competition after the game show ended one day last week. Broke and ran a tough rack of 8 ball in about 90 seconds.

He can still play a little.
 
jay helfert said:
Kris was Joe's wife at the time. I'm not sure if she was number three or four. ;)
Regarding the pro accuracy ratings, and where the TPA comes from. It is based on ALL misses or mistakes, such as position errors, scratches, fouls etc.. Any player with a rating over 90% is excellent. Did you notice that Jean Balukas frequently played entire tournaments with a TPA over .900. I kind of doubt that many women pros today can do that.

One other very interesting thing I noticed. Efren (Caesar Morales) did win in shocking fashion at Reds in January 1985, but he did not win again until December at the Sands, and he played quite a few tournaments in between. In fact, Efren and Jose played the pro tour on a regular basis for the next three years (1985-87) and, although they won their share, they were not the dominant players. Earl is clearly the leader back then in tournament victories, with Sigel and Hall not far behind. Varner didn't do much until 1987. Wade Crane was also a factor in many tournaments, and Hopkins had a slew of top three finishes, but few wins.

I remember a period of several years where Efren did not win one major 9-Ball tournament. He was still a very good player, but continuously lost to players like Nick, Sigel, Buddy, Kim and Earl. This went on until the early 90's when he started winning again. It somewhat coincides with his rise to dominance in One Pocket. Efren's problem with winning at 9-Ball were attributed to his weak break. During this time frame when Efren was becoming the world's best One Pocket player, Parica was asserting himself as the best money player in the world. He took on all comers for the next 20 years, and no one beat him for the cash. Not at 9-Ball or Ten Ball anyway. Even at One Pocket, he may have been second only to Efren. NO ONE went looking for Jose to gamble with, I can tell you that. Even when guys like Mark Tadd and CJ Wiley were taking on the world, they gave Jose a wide berth. Efren meanwhile could get games at 9-Ball with several players. He won some and he lost some, but at One Pocket he reigned supreme.
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David Howard's name pops up high on the charts also. Thanks Accu-Stats/Pat and thank you Bob Jewett for putting up the link for us. Johnnyt
 
Jay is too modest but did anyone notice the ad for JayMac productions tapes of one of the tournaments? The ad read something about "professional commentary" and "dual cameras".

In case people don't know Jay was RIGHT THERE in the thick of it on many levels.
 
JB Cases said:
Jay is too modest but did anyone notice the ad for JayMac productions tapes of one of the tournaments? The ad read something about "professional commentary" and "dual cameras".

In case people don't know Jay was RIGHT THERE in the thick of it on many levels.
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At that time, Pat was only interested in his scoring system (still the best one yet devised for pool) and his newsletter. But ever the opportunist (kind of like me in that respect), Pat saw the possibilities in taping pool matches. At first he only wanted to tape the matches so he could tabulate their TPA afterwards. But players started asking about buying the tapes and a business was born.

Fast forward two months after we shot the final three matches at the Sands in December, 1986, and Pat calls me about the Rak'em Up Classic coming up the first week in February, 1987. He wants to know if I'll be coming back there to tape the final matches at this event. Nope, too far, too expensive and I still don't know how I'll do with the matches I already have in the can. So Pat asks me how I feel about him doing his own tapings. Why not, go for it I tell him. And the rest is history. The most fabulous collection of pool matches and great players on DVD, that would otherwise have been lost to history.

I used to tell people that professional pool is performance art. You have to be there to see it. Not the case now, thanks to Accu-Stats.
 
I have looked at these issues before and yet everytime I look again at I find something else interesting.

The only real negative thing about them is the gritty details about how the prize money and frequency of big events almost 30 years ago was as good and in most cases better than it is today.
 
Thanks for the link!!! If you haven't seen these before, check them out, very cool!!

How about Jean Balukas shooting a .911 AND a .956 in the 1985 Sands Regent Open!!!
 
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