Masse Cue

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Does anyone know anything about a masse cue?
What I found out so far is that they are heavier (21-25 oz) and they have a big tip like 14 mm, and they are shorter than a regul;ar cue but longer than a jump. I really don't know what the how long theses are supposed to be.
Does Anyone know for sure, are the tips soft or hard?
Anyone ever owned one?
Is it worth it?
 
Does anyone know anything about a masse cue?
What I found out so far is that they are heavier (21-25 oz) and they have a big tip like 14 mm, and they are shorter than a regul;ar cue but longer than a jump. I really don't know what the how long theses are supposed to be.
Does Anyone know for sure, are the tips soft or hard?
Anyone ever owned one?
Is it worth it?

JamisonNeu could probably answer any question you have about masse' cues. Send him a PM if he doesn't see this thread and reply to it.

Dennis Dieckman, who also posts on AzB, makes masse' cues:
http://www.cuemaker.com/massecues.htm
 
Gene La Viness (Crown Cues) builds them on a regular basis. They've been a very popular cue for us to sell. He has more ready to sell, but I haven't got them online, yet. I am hoping to have some pics online in the next day or two.

To see the most recent ones we had that are sold, check out our website (in my signature) and scroll down to click on the pool table that says "New Cues"... That page will show you some pics and if you click on the masse' cues, you should go to pages with info about each cue.
 
From what little I know from Florian, his masse cue is 29 ounces. It has a shortened butt, with a carbon fiber and kevlar shaft. This provides a stiffer hit than can be provided by any type of wood.
 
I know the Crown Cue masse' cues are 44 inches long and most folks want them to be 24-25 ounces, if they will be used in league play, or probably 25-28 ounces has been the most popular request for artistic pool. They are fatter, being .950 at the joint and the tip is usually 13-14mm thick.

Sorry I didn't say all this earlier, but I was in a hurry to get something else done.
 
Masse cue

I have a Dieckman masse cue I will weigh and measure soon. This one is a
upper end cue with two shafts and lots of inlays. I just listed it for sale about an hour ago so I better check the sizes and weights any way. My cue is a little more cash, but should hold its value being built by a Hall of Fame cue builder.
 
...if they will be used in league play....

League play? Are you serious? :eek:

The need for a masse shot comes up about once in every 200+ games. Why on earth would someone want a masse cue for any purpose other than artistic pool?

PS. Not trying to be rude. I'm actually rather curious. :p
 
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Gene La Viness (Crown Cues) builds them on a regular basis. They've been a very popular cue for us to sell. He has more ready to sell, but I haven't got them online, yet. I am hoping to have some pics online in the next day or two.

To see the most recent ones we had that are sold, check out our website (in my signature) and scroll down to click on the pool table that says "New Cues"... That page will show you some pics and if you click on the masse' cues, you should go to pages with info about each cue.

I am anxiously awaiting my new Crown Cues Masse cue.

Loved the in progress picture.
 
Gene La Viness (Crown Cues) builds them on a regular basis. They've been a very popular cue for us to sell. He has more ready to sell, but I haven't got them online, yet. I am hoping to have some pics online in the next day or two.

To see the most recent ones we had that are sold, check out our website (in my signature) and scroll down to click on the pool table that says "New Cues"... That page will show you some pics and if you click on the masse' cues, you should go to pages with info about each cue.

Contact the EXPERTS at Crown Cues!
 
I have two Crown Cues masse cues (full disclosure: I'm sponsored by them). I like mine a little lighter, so they range from 19-24 oz and I have the weight bolts so I can adjust them accordingly. I like Tiger Sniper tips on them, which Tiger rates as med-hard. I'd say the balance point is perhaps more important than the overall length. Due to the vertical position of the cue, having the balance point close to the joint helps with control. Never had to use them in my 8 ball league though.
 
Nathan... VERY serious... A lot of serious league players use masse' cues. But, there are limits in the rules that prevent weight from being more than 25 ounces and length from being less than 40 inches and ferrules.... you get the idea.

There are a lot of very good league players who love their masse' cues.
 
Nathan... In a lot of the leagues and tournaments we've seen, the players are rather advanced in their strategy, offering many extra opportunities for the use of jump and masse' cues. Also, if you look for the shot, you can find it more often, rather than having to figure out how to save your butt with a 3 rail shot. And some folks are better at jump and masse' than even a simple bank shot. Then, there are the guys who are trying to move their game up a notch and there are artistic pool players. All these are the guys who buy masse' cues from us. It has been our biggest selling cue for well over a year.

All Crown Cues are custom 1/1 cues, so you're getting a cue that is custom fit to your needs, even if you buy one that's already finished, because Gene adapts weight, tip, etc. to your preferences and for those who want a 2nd shaft, he'll gladly fix one up for them. Our masse' cues start at $260 and go up in the thousand dollar range.

For anyone who wants to see 1hit1der's sponsorship cues, check them out at http://crowncues.biz/timchin.html
and Jamey Gray's sponsorship cue at http://crowncues.biz/jameygray.html
 
Well the short answer is that a masse a cue is a substitute cue so you dont damage your playing cue. Some help generate more spin.

The reason you may want to buy a masse cue at any level is because you care about your playing cue/tip.

As far as design, and specs. I have started to build the perfect masse cue it is pictured on Dieckmans site here http://cuemaker.com/massecues.htm
It is the one at the bottom. It is amost done a few more tweaks...
 
League play? Are you serious? :eek:

The need for a masse shot comes up about once in every 200+ games. Why on earth would someone want a masse cue for any purpose other than artistic pool?

PS. Not trying to be rude. I'm actually rather curious. :p

I shoot league twice a week, and an opportunity to shoot a masse shot comes up at least every other week. Masse shots are not just straight up and down 90 degree benders. I shoot masse shots that gently curve around slight hooks that could be length of the table. The butt may only be elevated 10 inches to give a slow turn. It's another tool in the tool box for me.

But I use my regular player cue. I didn't even know they make a masse cue, and can't see why people would buy one. I have a 19 oz Nitti with a soft tip, and can turn the crap out of the cue ball. the trick is learning how to shoot masse.
 
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I shoot league twice a week, and an opportunity to shoot a masse shot comes up at least every other week. Masse shots are not just straight up and down 90 degree benders. I shoot masse shots that gently curve around slight hooks that could be length of the table. The butt may only be elevated 10 inches to give a slow turn. It's another tool in the tool box for me. But I use my regular player cue.

That's a swerve shot though, and is done softly with a standard cue since it doesn't damage your tip. We're talking about full blown masses here that require special cues. I fully agree with everything you said though.

In a lot of the leagues and tournaments we've seen, the players are rather advanced in their strategy, offering many extra opportunities for the use of jump and masse' cues. Also, if you look for the shot, you can find it more often, rather than having to figure out how to save your butt with a 3 rail shot.

Advanced strategy? I strongly disagree. I mean, if that we're the case, then why don't we see masse shots executed in World Championships?

Why? Because the masse is too unpredictable, and far too limited. Sure, the worlds best can control the curve and such, but try to control position after the masse. It's nearly impossible to masse out of a hook and into a safety because the execution of the curve requires specific speed and spin, while executing the safety afterward will likely require a different speed and spin.

It's the same reason why you see many pros kick when they could easily jump at a ball. The jump is easy, but to clear the obsctructing ball they would need to hit the ball at a certain speed. That same speed may not offer a high percentage safety. So instead they opt to kick at the ball, as the kick shot can accommodate different types of spin and speed. League players jump far too often, as they do not take the time to properly learn the kick shot. If they did, they'd see how precise and useful it can be, as well as how easy it is to kick-safe in many situations. In my opinion, the masse shot suffers from the same oversight as the jump shot.

Plainly put, masse shots are a horrible idea in almost every possible situation unless there are absolutely no alternatives. I think masse cues are awesome for artistic pool, but using them for league play is pretty ridiculous.

On a side note, I hate to be so negative, so please accept my apologies. I'm just baffled by this. Anyway, if it helps, I get a lot of emails about the Venom DVD, asking me where to buy masse cues. I'll start sending them in your direction. Regardless of what players are doing with these cues, the customer is always right. I fully support your efforts. :)
 
I learned to masse because it is the hardest part of the game to control...I have been playing since I was four shooting them straight in all day kind of gets boring.

The only reason that the masse shot is not used more is because players are not allowed to learn the masse shots. It is being taken out of the game...Just like honor, and honesty were.
 
Does anyone know anything about a masse cue?
What I found out so far is that they are heavier (21-25 oz) and they have a big tip like 14 mm, and they are shorter than a regul;ar cue but longer than a jump. I really don't know what the how long theses are supposed to be.
Does Anyone know for sure, are the tips soft or hard?
Anyone ever owned one?
Is it worth it?

twal, just search masse cue threads [Billiardshot Threads]. You won't get a correct answer, only a standard or perferred. The Carom Games [Korean 4 Balls, 3Cushion , Balkline, Biliardo, or etc] you will see more Masse shots, but with Regular cue been use.

Think Artistic Pool/Billiard, then Masse Cue come to mind.

Dieckman - is the expert in masse cuebuilding $$$$$

Crown Cues -when you want a custom masse cue at the best fair price$$$
 
Wow! This turned into something I never thought it would be.
Like most people I have never short with or seen a masse cue.
So I was curious.
As far as I know (which means not much), a masse is any short where you bend the cue ball off of the straight line. I guess I was looking see why the big tips on these and are these tips soft or hard?
I would have thought these would have been soft so you could control it more. It however looks like these are harder? Really I am not looking to get into trick shot billiards. I just was looking for a tool to put in the box ;)
Sometimes jumping and kicking is not the answer. So that is where a masse cue might come in handy.
 
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