Settle a deflection argument

jed1894

jed1894

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I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
 
jed1894 said:
I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
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I agree with you.
 
First off, Jed, follow and draw is the same thing as left and right spin, only different. Other than that, you are correct, sir. :wink:
 
jed1894 said:
I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
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Of course if you're only hitting center ball then you could hit it with a broom handle or a lead pipe and it wouldn't make a difference. But, with that said, everyone has a tendency to hit to one side or the other, even when they're aiming center ball. So, in a sense, there could be a deflection issue but that close to center I doubt it.
MULLY
when I say one side or the other it may only be a fraction of a millimeter
 
jed1894 said:
I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
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Some people think a low-squirt shaft can impart more spin (English or draw), but this is mostly an illusion, IMO. For more info, see the info and articles here:

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Some people think a low-squirt shaft can impart more spin (English or draw), but this is mostly an illusion, IMO. For more info, see the info and articles here:

Regards,
Dave
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I bought a predator 314/2 shaft the day after I tried my friends. The number one reason I wanted it was because I could draw my ball effortlessly.

Perhaps it was a tip thing but I don't know. Also when hitting shots hard the low deflection helps the center ball shooters because when hitting hard you are going to end up off center significantly.
 
Luxury said:
I bought a predator 314/2 shaft the day after I tried my friends. The number one reason I wanted it was because I could draw my ball effortlessly.

Perhaps it was a tip thing but I don't know.
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A good tip can make a big difference. More possible reasons can be found here.

Luxury said:
Also when hitting shots hard the low deflection helps the center ball shooters because when hitting hard you are going to end up off center significantly.
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That's a good point, but these shooters might do better with a larger, flatter tip. For more info, see:

Regards,
Dave
 
jed1894 said:
I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
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If a player knows how to adjust for deflection with the shaft he is using, a low deflection shaft will not help him regardless of what english he uses.

Could Mosconi have run more than 526 with a low deflection shaft? I doubt it, in fact a low deflection shaft might have screwed up his game because he was used to the standard shafts.
 
alstl said:
If a player knows how to adjust for deflection with the shaft he is using, a low deflection shaft will not help him regardless of what english he uses.

Could Mosconi have run more than 526 with a low deflection shaft? I doubt it, in fact a low deflection shaft might have screwed up his game because he was used to the standard shafts.
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That's a good point. I was playing a Filipino over here by the name of Galego. He uses a 314 shaft. He was making shots that I wouldn't have even considered. When we were finished we were talking cues and I handed him my JMW and he couldn't make many shots with it using spin. If I ever had any interest in those low deflection shafts it went out the door at that moment. Here was a pro level player that was dependent on a low deflection shaft. I never want to be like that. At least with my cue I'm adjusted to it and if I have to change to another cue I can adjust for that within a reasonable amount of time.
MULLY
 
jedi1894...You're absolutely correct! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

jed1894 said:
I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
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mullyman said:
That's a good point. I was playing a Filipino over here by the name of Galego. He uses a 314 shaft. He was making shots that I wouldn't have even considered. When we were finished we were talking cues and I handed him my JMW and he couldn't make many shots with it using spin. If I ever had any interest in those low deflection shafts it went out the door at that moment. Here was a pro level player that was dependent on a low deflection shaft. I never want to be like that. At least with my cue I'm adjusted to it and if I have to change to another cue I can adjust for that within a reasonable amount of time.
MULLY
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If I was you, I would choose being able to 'make shots I wouldn't have even considered' over not being able to adjust. And I'm sure he would be able to adjust just fine, just not instantly. I'm sure same would go for you - if you picked up his cue and played english the same way you play with your own shaft, you would have been missing them all over the place as well.

What I am looking for and hope I can find one day, is a custom solid shaft that has the same LD rating as predators. I've had a few cuemakers claim they can do it etc and send me their shafts, but truth is that they cant. Same goes for the mezz wd700. Yes it is more LD than the average stick, but not as ld as a 314.
 
My argument is that players that don't use English are going to remain stagnant and have no chance in nine ball. (by the way every top player uses a ton of it whether you can see it or not) If you are sold on learning to use English then get yourself a low deflection shaft. Amaze your friends!
 
Marketing has really improved over the years. You can play with ANY SHAFT (stress ANY) and run a TON of balls.
 
Oliver said:
What I am looking for and hope I can find one day, is a custom solid shaft that has the same LD rating as predators. I've had a few cuemakers claim they can do it etc and send me their shafts, but truth is that they cant. Same goes for the mezz wd700. Yes it is more LD than the average stick, but not as ld as a 314.
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Oliver, you may want to try the Mezz Hybrid Pro 2.. It is super low deflection and still a 1 piece shaft.. IMHO, it's just as low from my perception as a P2 with much better feel.. YMMV
 
Luxury said:
My argument is that players that don't use English are going to remain stagnant and have no chance in nine ball. (by the way every top player uses a ton of it whether you can see it or not) If you are sold on learning to use English then get yourself a low deflection shaft. Amaze your friends!
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Words of truth.

jed1894 said:
I'm trying to settle a friendly deflection argument with my pool buddy. I am maple shaft guy. I believe in LD shaft (actually have a few), but just like the feel of my stock Schon shaft; he is predator, OB-1, Mcdermott, etc. etc. guy. He believes LD shafts are the bomb!

My argument is that if a person does not use left or right english while hitting the cue ball and hits center cue ball, a low deflection shaft will not benifit a player much, if any, at all. This argument is only regarding left and right (side) english and not follow and draw.

What do you guys think? Based on experience of course.

thanks, jed
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I think you're right. Lower deflection only really comes into play on shots with sidespin. I've often heard people claim that drawing the ball is easier with a low-deflection shaft, but I don't buy it. The physics doesn't hold up, which makes me conclude it's only a placebo effect.

-Andrew
 
mullyman said:
Of course if you're only hitting center ball then you could hit it with a broom handle or a lead pipe and it wouldn't make a difference. But, with that said, everyone has a tendency to hit to one side or the other, even when they're aiming center ball. So, in a sense, there could be a deflection issue but that close to center I doubt it.
MULLY
when I say one side or the other it may only be a fraction of a millimeter
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Good point. So, I suppose one could say that a LD shaft could help a less-than-accurate-player because of unintentional hitting off center of the cue ball. Good point and something to consider. BUT.....since a LD produces more spin (or so some say), wouldn't unintentional off-center hits produce unwanted spin and cause unwanted throw?

jed
 
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