sigel for me. ive never seen anybody play the percentages like he did, amazing instincts.
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sigel for me. ive never seen anybody play the percentages like he did, amazing instincts.
Cigar Tom is a gentleman gambler for sure, one of Maryland's finest.
Does he still shoot with a skinny shaft? I'm just curious.
Cigar Tom Vanover is depicted on the bottom left. Picture taken at the 1986 Maryland State Championship, a very well-run tournament, if I do say so myself! :thumbup:
Cigar Tom came in second place that year to Mike Sigel!
yes he still uses the skinnest shaft in the world tom still plays in dundalk i love those pictures u have tu very much old geese god i loved that guy funniest pool player ever i wish i could see all ur pics
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I have never seen anybody playing 9ball as good as Dennis Orcollo.
Yang plays provably just as good because of his powerful break,but he doesnt get out as good as Orcollo,nobody does in my opinion.
Dennis will beat Yang eventually, and he will beat him bad.
Only guys like Reyes,Parica,Strickland played that good,at one point.
Halls,Sigels,Chaos are a little below.
the best of all-time for the money, even with his weak break, was Efren Reyes.
Everybody talks about how Earl was unbeatable,but yet they all seem to forget that Earl lost playing near perfection pool against Reyes,and not once but twice (there was a Color of Money II,shorter race) that Reyes won as well.
Jose Parica at his best did beat Strickland for a large amount as well
The best Efren plays the best Parica, and they will split wins. I dont see any winning more than the other.
But i do see in long races,or ahead both beating Earl at least 70% of the times at least.
Just like I think guys like Orcollo and Yang at their best would beat the best Strickland for the money in a long match up.
Yang plays provably just as good because of his powerful break,but he doesnt get out as good as Orcollo,nobody does in my opinion.
Dennis will beat Yang eventually, and he will beat him bad.
Only guys like Reyes,Parica,Strickland played that good,at one point.
Halls,Sigels,Chaos are a little below.
the best of all-time for the money, even with his weak break, was Efren Reyes.
Everybody talks about how Earl was unbeatable,but yet they all seem to forget that Earl lost playing near perfection pool against Reyes,and not once but twice (there was a Color of Money II,shorter race) that Reyes won as well.
Jose Parica at his best did beat Strickland for a large amount as well
The best Efren plays the best Parica, and they will split wins. I dont see any winning more than the other.
But i do see in long races,or ahead both beating Earl at least 70% of the times at least.
Just like I think guys like Orcollo and Yang at their best would beat the best Strickland for the money in a long match up.
The Relentless, consistent, slow moving cue ball of Buddy, Hall gets it All"" is what wins out. In Efrens prime in Earls moment, but in the long haul Hall gets it done, everything else has and does have their moment/or year in time. No one every went huntin' for Cecil, Bugs Rucker has more nicknames than players names we talk about that could beat em. Only one or two from the great depression could tangle with em.
Its kinda interesting you say this cause I actually think its the opposite. 9 ball break, yang is better but just slightly. In 9 ball, I'm fairly certain Yang would be favorite. Yang gets out just as good as Dennis, if not better.
10 ball, Orcollo definitely breaks better and that's a much better game for Orcollo.
They've had many chances to match up when the guinness tour was still going on, but they never did. Most people know to not gamble with Yang. I recall it was alex's girl that once posted that alex would never bet against yang in gambling match, regardless of who he played. That pretty much sums up his game.
I guess you don't want to mention about when Nick Varner came TO the Phillipines and beat Efren Reyes in a race to 60. Final score was 60 - 47 I think.....
Hall and Sigel (in their prime) below those guys? Please...
Tadd
I was working in charlotte at pro billiards around 90 or 91 and a guy come in looking for Denny Searcy. Searcy was past his prime and not shooting at the time. the guy said he was mark tademy, he looked native american, and muscular. later turned out to be mark tadd. Searcy got a backer and was dispatched on two sets in 45 minutes. they played on a diamond, which was one of the company's first tables. the fastest table i've ever played on. they later played at mothers on the other side of town. and in a week of playing i saw him miss 3 shots, one was a safety. he played the smartest, shot-making, under control game ive ever seen.
i didn't start pool until buddy, parica, etc were older. but my experience has to go to tadd. AT THAT TIME!
I was working in charlotte at pro billiards around 90 or 91 and a guy come in looking for Denny Searcy. Searcy was past his prime and not shooting at the time. the guy said he was mark tademy, he looked native american, and muscular. later turned out to be mark tadd. Searcy got a backer and was dispatched on two sets in 45 minutes. they played on a diamond, which was one of the company's first tables. the fastest table i've ever played on. they later played at mothers on the other side of town. and in a week of playing i saw him miss 3 shots, one was a safety. he played the smartest, shot-making, under control game ive ever seen.
i didn't start pool until buddy, parica, etc were older. but my experience has to go to tadd. AT THAT TIME!
From what I've heard his real name is Tademy and he shortened it to Tadd. I watched him play once and was impressed. I'm sure Jay will tell the story of when he won the Banks and One-pocket division and came in second in the 9-ball in a big tournament in CA that I believe Jay ran. The tourney was filled with most every champion around at the time. He was coming on this forum a couple of years ago IIRC but has been playing poker rather than pool lately.
I went Hill/Hill with em twice years ago in his prime at major events, with that being said, his level of play does not equal the greats, like Sigel/Hall/Rempe/Ether/Earl in their prime.
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Dick Hinzicker busted St. Louie Louie and Buddy too. He busted Rempie and The Mez. Crane and Cranfield wouldn't gamble with him. He was over their head.
He saw Earl play when Earl came to town in the 80's and declined playing Earl. I asked him why years later. He only saw Earrl play one set. He said he wasn't playing at the time. And he had no business playing unless he was in stroke. It didn't matter who he said just that he had to be in stroke. He was also old at the time.
Earl made the hair on the back of Dick's neck stand up.
Nick
Dick Hinzicker busted St. Louie Louie and Buddy too. He busted Rempie and The Mez. Crane and Cranfield wouldn't gamble with him. He was over their head.
He saw Earl play when Earl came to town in the 80's and declined playing Earl. I asked him why years later. He only saw Earrl play one set. He said he wasn't playing at the time. And he had no business playing unless he was in stroke. It didn't matter who he said just that he had to be in stroke. He was also old at the time.
Earl made the hair on the back of Dick's neck stand up.
Nick
Dick Hinzicker busted St. Louie Louie and Buddy too. He busted Rempie and The Mez. Crane and Cranfield wouldn't gamble with him. He was over their head.
He saw Earl play when Earl came to town in the 80's and declined playing Earl. I asked him why years later. He only saw Earrl play one set. He said he wasn't playing at the time. And he had no business playing unless he was in stroke. It didn't matter who he said just that he had to be in stroke. He was also old at the time.
Earl made the hair on the back of Dick's neck stand up.
Nick
the old school guys played great.
but today its a diff game they would get beat by the great players of today playing the games and the rules of today.
you have to kick and play safe.
The old school guys played great. They played all games, to include snooker, especially down South. These road warriors came to town as the stranger, shot with a house cue, stepped up to the plate and showed no fear. They'd usually end up competing against the best player in that town, sometimes making a score and sometimes leaving town busted. They had to play on all kinds of equipment, not the pristine fields of green that are in existence today.
Today's young'ns negotiate so much, they talk themselves out of a game most times.. You got the rack riggers and break mechanics. It's not about shooting balls in the hole anymore; rather, it's who's got the best gimmic.
Thanks to the advent of the Internet, pool has changed. Tournament soldiers with a corpulent stakehorses can travel the tournament trail, but there ain't too many who can afford it. All others scrape by and do the best they can.
Today's young bucks can't hold a candle to the old school players when it comes to talent. :thumbup:
Today's young'ns negotiate so much, they talk themselves out of a game most times.. You got the rack riggers and break mechanics. It's not about shooting balls in the hole anymore; rather, it's who's got the best gimmic.
Thanks to the advent of the Internet, pool has changed. Tournament soldiers with a corpulent stakehorses can travel the tournament trail, but there ain't too many who can afford it. All others scrape by and do the best they can.
Today's young bucks can't hold a candle to the old school players when it comes to talent. :thumbup:
People tell it like they see it, with the emphasis on the word "see." :smile:
I believe that was the tournament Don Mackey held out the PBT players from.
Danny DiLiberto!