does anyone really care if their cues are made from illegal wood?

TATE said:
In ideology, maybe. In practicality, cue making isn't enough volume to put a nick on the world's trees. It would be like saying spitting in the ocean is polluting it.

More hardwood is likely used on one decent yacht or luxury hotel than all the cue makers here and overseas could ever use. When you think of the tens of thousands of boats, decks, luxury resorts, private houses, and millions of pieces of furniture - it's staggering the amount of tropical hardwoods that are used.


Chris
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yeah ....but your saying it's ok cause it's so little...I got an idea give me your account number so I can charge your account every minute say .05 .... it's so small you wont mind will you. I mean it doesn't amount to anything compared to those who steal in the millions.... pm that # and a written permission.... I'll take that .05 a minute from you a minute in a heart beat........

ex.... a man kills a man it's ok cause it's nothing like the holocost ....sp, or the staggering number of people a serial killer would kill....let him go.... is this your justification.......so small that it doesn't matter? so small that it doesn't amount to anything......

a drug dealer(illegal tree cutters) sells to a kid(cuemakers) on the side but mainly to adults (when you think of the tens of thousands of boats, decks, luxury resorts, private houses, and millions of pieces of furniture...) <-------these are the adults. that's ok? cause I mean it's just a kid....right? so what if the government is corrupt.... does that excuse you from doing the right thing or be corrupt also? Even if it means doing illegal things....
hey a cop sells drugs to kids and I can not stop them.... I'll sell drugs to them to.....
 
9 on the snap said:
I feel good about the Ivory, because elephants are evil spiteful creatures who would kill us all if given the chance.

I think it is terrible when any innocent person dies, but if a fine cue is made I believe their spirit lives on forever, and the beautiful piece of billiard equipment is a testament to their sacrifice. I am sure we would all appreciate such a lasting tribute!
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lol....that's funny
 
look I might feel this way or that about somethings but it doesn't mean that I can change people or inforce my beliefs onto others... I care about whats happening but then I don't cause the people of the country has to change things. if feeding your family is the most important thing....then bravo to you.... I don't care cause I feed mine family but I think about my childrens children... thats me though....I don't care about your beliefs of what's right and wrong....unless you tread on my family.....then it gets messy....
 
Piercyexclusive said:
yeah ....but your saying it's ok cause it's so little...I got an idea give me your account number so I can charge your account every minute say .05 .... it's so small you wont mind will you. I mean it doesn't amount to anything compared to those who steal in the millions.... pm that # and a written permission.... I'll take that .05 a minute from you a minute in a heart beat........

ex.... a man kills a man it's ok cause it's nothing like the holocost ....sp, or the staggering number of people a serial killer would kill....let him go.... is this your justification.......so small that it doesn't matter? so small that it doesn't amount to anything......

a drug dealer(illegal tree cutters) sells to a kid(cuemakers) on the side but mainly to adults (when you think of the tens of thousands of boats, decks, luxury resorts, private houses, and millions of pieces of furniture...) <-------these are the adults. that's ok? cause I mean it's just a kid....right? so what if the government is corrupt.... does that excuse you from doing the right thing or be corrupt also? Even if it means doing illegal things....
hey a cop sells drugs to kids and I can not stop them.... I'll sell drugs to them to.....
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You are doing the same thing when you make cues. In my view, it's not harmful and in fact it's helpful.

Chris
 
TATE said:
You are doing the same thing when you make cues. In my view, it's not harmful and in fact it's helpful.

Chris
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I know sometimes it is.... but I wish you could have seen what I did.... half mountain stripped of the trees and the trees left on the ground just for the burl....4-5 years later there was a mudd slide that killed hundreds...... but wtf anyways..

I guess i shouldn't care..... but that's me...this is a losing topic for me... I just wanted to know if people cared... not be attacked ... then I go on the deffensive and now start crap with others...... sucks..... next time it'll be a pole .....just a poll. I didn't want poeple to justify or defend the practice.... just wanted to know if people cared that's all....... man this sucks.
 
Personally, I feel the Philippine government needs to step up and police their forest lands. Permits and re-forestation do help...here in the Pacific Northwest, the prisoners plant the trees. And yes, the government suffers from corruption...but what government doesn't?

Here in the states, if you get caught cutting or logging on public land without a permit, you will be arrested and go to jail. Happens all the time around here where the logging industry is hanging on by a thread, and many loggers are outta work. You see more p/u trucks loaded with 'Wood for Sale' signs parked on the side of the roads. It is no longer legal to cut Western Cedar...but you still see it. Why? Because the Alder and Cottonwood are 'junk' woods...take forever to season up, and produce little to no heat when burned. Cedar burns hot, burns long, and smells really good.

As to the elephant ivory. Any well-respected cue maker is going to make sure that they have their CITES paperwork in order when dealing with their ivory stock...and many are still working from pre-ban stock anyways.

I understand your feelings on the matter (I see stripped mountainsides every day)...but the fact is that consumers are going to buy what they want. Many could care less about the origins. They didn't care about all the people being enslaved and mutilated so they could have their 'blood diamonds'...and very few will care about where their amboyna comes from.

Lisa
 
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9 on the snap said:
I feel good about the Ivory, because elephants are evil spiteful creatures who would kill us all if given the chance.

I think it is terrible when any innocent person dies, but if a fine cue is made I believe their spirit lives on forever, and the beautiful piece of billiard equipment is a testament to their sacrifice. I am sure we would all appreciate such a lasting tribute!
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The way you wrote this could be taken so many different ways.

So does this mean we can hunt you for your bone and teeth just to put in a cue so your spirit can live on forever?
 
9 on the snap said:
I feel good about the Ivory, because elephants are evil spiteful creatures who would kill us all if given the chance.

I think it is terrible when any innocent person dies, but if a fine cue is made I believe their spirit lives on forever, and the beautiful piece of billiard equipment is a testament to their sacrifice. I am sure we would all appreciate such a lasting tribute!
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Here you go. A nice link to one of those evil spiteful elephants...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5066918n&tag=api
 
Truthfully? I do care about our world and what happens to us but if I'm buying a cue the state of the world doesn't occur to me. If that seems selfish I am sorry but I'm not going to make an issue of it. That being said I admire your passion.
 
It is unfortunate that there is a lot of eco-pillaging. But you would drive yourself insane worrying about every little consequence of your actions. Just getting out of bed, making breakfast, brushing your teeth and driving off to work, may have just eliminated 3 endangered species alone!
 
with all due respect, and to make it clear, we cuemakers are not loggers. Only the loggers need permit to cut the tree and cuemaker like me did not go to mountains and cut trees. Also, you inquired at some of your friends at customs, as far as i know customs agents did not go to mountains and ask for permits for loggers. It will be truthful if you asked the Department of Environment and Natural Resources to make it sure. Government right now is strictly implementing the rules against illegal loggers. Even they cut the woods from the mountains, they cannot travel it to the market place easily because check points are everywhere in the province.

For the record also, when i buy those hardwoods, i personally go to some lumberyard, they have given permit to cut old trees and have rules to follow on it. Also i'm not the kind of buyer that buys those big straight trunk parts of wood. Most that i buy was the mess cut, those pieces that they did not give an importance and people there use it as firewoods...
As far as illegal loggers concern, if you go to some mountains, there are tribal or ethnic people living, and to say the reality, they cut trees and make some "Kaingins" for agriculture because thats the only source for food for their families. Its hard to prioritize those paperworks if your fighting for your families stomach.
 
bBurton said:
The way you wrote this could be taken so many different ways.

So does this mean we can hunt you for your bone and teeth just to put in a cue so your spirit can live on forever?
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A Texan who thinks a man and animal are of the same value? WHAT???
 
Here is my question... if we as pool players, get caught with one, can we be the ones to get in trouble for it if we had no idea that it was illegal and we just bought it because it looked good?

Joel
 
Bankshot J said:
Here is my question... if we as pool players, get caught with one, can we be the ones to get in trouble for it if we had no idea that it was illegal and we just bought it because it looked good?

Joel
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When it comes to wood, the possibility that you will caught because it is illegal is very low as long as it is already an arrow.
But when it comes to ivory, it depends to the country, if your in the strict country regards to ivory, you need to have a papers on it and if it was under the exception there is nothing to feared..
For the total, even if it's good to the eye, just be wise when you make a purchase:thumbup:
 
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qbilder said:
As I see it, you put a tree's life above that of a human. By obstructing the PI cuemakers' ability to work, you are starving their families. Who's the bad guy now? Do you really think PI cuemakers have trucks & saws & crews of men to go clear a mountain of it's hardwoods......just to build cues with? Are you serious? I think it's wise to be realistic before becoming fanatical. Cuemakers aren't to blame for anything. It's the government & how it regulates the foresting market. Here in the USA we have forest management regulations & laws that dictate how our loggers conduct operations. Key words are "forest management". Take every cue from the PI in the course of a year & you can add it up to the equivelant of maybe a maximum of ten trees, hardly anything that could cause a landslide. Point being, you are barking up the wrong tree ....... pun intended.
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