Glue not working on cue.

cycopath

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I have a repeat customer that I've done several tips for in the past. He seems to always be popping the tips off his Mezz cue. I've tried Gorilla Super Glue and Gorilla Quick Cure Glue. What should I try next?

I've noticed some ferrules just don't take glue very well. Like Cuetecs, I have a hard time keeping tips on those. Anyone else experienced this?

I'm using a Cue Smith Lathe. So, I'm not putting unreasonable side pressure on the tip during trimming.
 
i have several mezz shafts and i've never had a problem getting tips to stay on. i use loctite ultra gel, it's rubber toughened and is just awesome for tips!

perhaps you just need to modify your surface prep? perfectly clean, rough and faced off surfaces go a long way
 
I have a repeat customer that I've done several tips for in the past. He seems to always be popping the tips off his Mezz cue. I've tried Gorilla Super Glue and Gorilla Quick Cure Glue. What should I try next?

I've noticed some ferrules just don't take glue very well. Like Cuetecs, I have a hard time keeping tips on those. Anyone else experienced this?

I'm using a Cue Smith Lathe. So, I'm not putting unreasonable side pressure on the tip during trimming.

I have not had a problem with tips popping off of Cuetecs and other cheap cues since I have been using Loctite Rubber Toughened Formula. When putting the tip on do not use very much pressure when holding the tip in place, you do not want to press all the glue out between the tip and ferrule. I also found that prepping the back of the tip with thin CA then sanding the back smooth with 240 has helped to stop the tip from popping off.
 
i have several mezz shafts and i've never had a problem getting tips to stay on. i use loctite ultra gel, it's rubber toughened and is just awesome for tips!

perhaps you just need to modify your surface prep? perfectly clean, rough and faced off surfaces go a long way

Right! I remove old tip, square the end of the ferrule on the lathe, run the shaft slowly and roughen using 120 grit so that the paper doesn't just burnish the end of the ferrule. Next a paper towel or better a paper towel with lacquer thinner on it to clean the end of the ferrule and remove any oil from finger tips. Back of the tip needs to be perfectly flat but accomplishing that of coarse is a no brainer.

Dick
 
I had similar issues a couple years ago and 2 things that changed it was the tip from Busbee about primering the back of the tip and switching to Loctite control gel. Haven't lost a tip since, not even the phenolics
Dave
 
When putting the tip on do not use very much pressure when holding the tip in place, you do not want to press all the glue out between the tip and ferrule. I also found that prepping the back of the tip with thin CA then sanding the back smooth with 240 has helped to stop the tip from popping off.

I had one Mezz WD700 shaft that gave me problem after my facing skills improved :D

I used similar method of prepping the ferrule with thin CA and not using pressing the tip too hard on to the ferrule.
 
I have a repeat customer that I've done several tips for in the past. He seems to always be popping the tips off his Mezz cue. I've tried Gorilla Super Glue and Gorilla Quick Cure Glue. What should I try next?

I've noticed some ferrules just don't take glue very well. Like Cuetecs, I have a hard time keeping tips on those. Anyone else experienced this?

I'm using a Cue Smith Lathe. So, I'm not putting unreasonable side pressure on the tip during trimming.

Run your cupped live center up against the tip, to hold it while trimming. 2nd never trim a tip edge in a lathe, unless the lathe tool is VERY SHARP...JER
 
I have a repeat customer that I've done several tips for in the past. He seems to always be popping the tips off his Mezz cue. I've tried Gorilla Super Glue and Gorilla Quick Cure Glue. What should I try next?

I've noticed some ferrules just don't take glue very well. Like Cuetecs, I have a hard time keeping tips on those. Anyone else experienced this?

I'm using a Cue Smith Lathe. So, I'm not putting unreasonable side pressure on the tip during trimming.

I of course, face off the ferrule so it's perfectly flat, sand the bottom of the tip to get it also perfectly flat. Then I place the tip on the ferrule just to make sure everything is perfectly flat and it doesn't have any "rocking" action. Next I take my razor knife and lightly score the tip with a cross hatch pattern to give the glue a little extra grabbing surface area. I then use ONLY refrigerated Loctite 454 glue on the tip and with my set up, I can use a ratcheting clamp to squeeze out all the excess glue and force it into the scores I put on the tip bottom. I've found that if you don't have a way to clamp the tip very tightly and force out the excess glue, the glue can be too thick and possibly shatter with impact causing tips to fall off. Haven't had a tip fall off in years! Hope this helps.
 
I've had a few problems with some of the softer ferrules from overseas holding onto a tip. In additions to prepping the tip with CA glue, after facing the ferrule flush, I've been taking a razor knife and lightly making a cross-hatch pattern on the ferrule face. If done lightly there is still no rocking of the tip on the ferrule. It gives the glue something to bite into on the ferrule side.

Alan
 
I have not had a problem with tips popping off of Cuetecs and other cheap cues since I have been using Loctite Rubber Toughened Formula. When putting the tip on do not use very much pressure when holding the tip in place, you do not want to press all the glue out between the tip and ferrule. I also found that prepping the back of the tip with thin CA then sanding the back smooth with 240 has helped to stop the tip from popping off.

Just to be clear.

So you apply super glue to the backside of a roughed up tip, let it harden, and resand?
 
I have not had a problem with tips popping off of Cuetecs and other cheap cues since I have been using Loctite Rubber Toughened Formula. When putting the tip on do not use very much pressure when holding the tip in place, you do not want to press all the glue out between the tip and ferrule. I also found that prepping the back of the tip with thin CA then sanding the back smooth with 240 has helped to stop the tip from popping off.

I disagree with this. You can't squeeze all the glue out. I've found that by scoring the back of the tip with a razor knife in a cross hatch pattern and using a clamp to put as much pressure as possible on the tip and forcing the glue into the cross hatches works perfectly. If you have too much glue in between the tip & ferrule it's much more likely to shatter and come off! I use Loctite 454 and keep it refrigerated until I use it also. Haven't had a tip come off in years using this method!
 
I disagree with this. You can't squeeze all the glue out. I've found that by scoring the back of the tip with a razor knife in a cross hatch pattern and using a clamp to put as much pressure as possible on the tip and forcing the glue into the cross hatches works perfectly. If you have too much glue in between the tip & ferrule it's much more likely to shatter and come off! I use Loctite 454 and keep it refrigerated until I use it also. Haven't had a tip come off in years using this method!

Sherm, do you think putting the shaft between a dead center and closed jaws works as good as a clamp?
 
Just to be clear.

So you apply super glue to the backside of a roughed up tip, let it harden, and resand?

That is what I do and I have not had a tip pop off in over a year except for three tips when I tried the Gorilla super glue, but I only do about 100 tips a year, this also includes the phenolic tips.
 
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Sherm, do you think putting the shaft between a dead center and closed jaws works as good as a clamp?

I would think so, as long as you turn the tail stock in tightly, and I'd probably use a concave live center instead of a pointed dead center, to keep from damaging the tip. Or make a delrin piece to go between the dead center and the tip would also work fine. The more pressure the better IMHO.
 
I use a small piece of cylindrical brass with my live center to keep end pressure on the tip as I flush it with the ferrule with my round nose. I then chamfer the end of the tip to recenter the convex or to start the convex on layered tips. Then I move the shaft out a few inches and completely flush the tip with a razor @ high rpm. Last I shape the tip with a sandman metal shaper.
 
> A surface prep trick I use is pretty anal,but it works.

Before using CA to seal the bottom,and after the initial sanding of the bottom,I take the long,flat edges of a razor blade and scrape off all the dust and shavings that might be present.

I then coat the bottom and let it soak in as much glue as it wants. Then I put just a little more on there and let it soak in too,and when it stays wet I wipe the rest off.

I have a ground steel plate with adhesive-backed 180 on it,and use that for initial sanding. I use another plate with 320 for cleaning up after sealing.

I use the blade again to remove dust before applying the actual tip glue.

I've also been known to use a spray-bottle CA accelerator,usually with the softer ferrule materials like CueTec,Players,etc. These tend to be waxy as well.

I've also done this for years. When I try a new glue,or if my current open tube is over a couple weeks old,to establish trust in it,I lock a pair of pliers down on the side of the tip before I start cutting,and actually try fairly hard to break it loose. If the glue is going to fail,I'd much rather have it happen while it's still in the lathe,rather than 2 weeks later and have to eat my own work.

The sealing (or should I say the Searing?) method as described in this thread is best accomplished by using the really thin,"hot" products such as the Loctite from Wal-Mart in the squeeze bottle with the red sides,or a hobby-type like Satellite City Hot Stuff. Tommy D.
 
Tip Prep...

I am just getting back into doing tips and when I did cue work in the past I very seldom ever had any tips come off. I am wondering since there are a few very knowledgable people that recommend sealing the bottom of the tip with thin CA, are you doing this on all tip jobs, or just ones that involve the softer ferrules like Cuetec etc?

Also if you are doing this on for all tip replacements, are you doing the CA sealing right before replacing the tip, or do you prep a bunch of tips all at once so it is faster to replace them when needed?

One final question, how many people are compressing their tips prior to installation. I know with some tips like LePro it can really be helpful, but does anyone compress all their tips prior to install including tips like Kamui or Moori etc?

Thanks in advance,

dakota
 
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