Quitting winner...eh, when can I quit

I post cash everytime i gamble weith someone (usually $50 or more) and always allow myself a least one or more sets for them to get even if i win. I've never had a problem with this method and i think it's fair for yoru opponent to give them a chance if they lose.

last week at league i played a guy a race to 5 for $50 and beat him FLAT 5-0 and i asked him if he wanted to go again and he said yes... Well i just got off the road from back home (7 hours!!) and had my lady's two little girls with us due to the fact that we timed my lady's first match ( i play ever other week) so we could leave early. Well my lady finished her match before we could play again. Even though it was only 8:30 the little ones had to be at school in the morning so i had to leave. The guy i beat was keeping score for his team and couldnt play so i told him i would give him a shot next week to get even if he wanted it adn he told me yes :smile: Since i see him on a weekly basis this really isnt a problem due to the fact he understood i had to take care of the little ones and he would get another shot at me later... But if your in a match with a road player or gambler than pre-determinded time slots should be established prior to play just to avoid any agruements...

There have been a couple times where i lost and wanted to play again and the guy just wanted the CASH and leave!! That pissed me off but i did indeed GAMBLE with him in the first place and lost so i really cant complain can i?? It would've been nice to get another crack at it but obviously he wasnt they pool hustler we all know and i played like crap and lost :rolleyes:

Good rule of thumb... Post yoru money.. Set rules and time frames and you wont have any problems :cool:
 
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SUPERSTAR said:
Quit whenever you want.

Some will argue a violation of gambling ethics.
Some will argue a violation of gambling courtesy.

That's just a load of crap because they can't handle losing or not playing good enough to get you stuck so that the shoe is on the other foot.
Is it going to make some people mad? Absolutely.
But then you have to examine if you are here on this earth to make other people happy, or yourself.
There are no rules.

There is no right or wrong regarding gambling and money.
You decide to do whatever you want.

If they can't handle that and feel that you have wronged them, that's their problem now isn't it.
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NKSMFAMJP, just read this quote and scrap the rest and end this thread!!
 
Hi there,

I'm diabetic and 57 years old. Still play at a pretty good speed. I always tell the player that I'm playing that if I start feeling sick that I have to quit. We can always continue this at a later time. It ain't worth me having a stroke or a heart attack trying to finish a $100 or even $1000 set.

Set your time limit or health limit if that is a problem and make sure your opponent is aware and OK with it.

For example. Last year at the US Open I walked into Q masters and the smoke was pretty bad. Ron Weisman was there and he asked me to play some 100 or 200 dollar sets. I told him I couldn't be in the smoke to long but I would play 2 sets before I left. He was fine with that and after the 2 sets he paid me, we shook hands and everything is fine. we were both glad to get some action.

We did this at Galvaston and then again at The Break in Alabama. Regardless who wins we set the boundaries first. Sometimes one of us might have to get up early for a match the next day. There's always an understanding.

If you have to get home to sleep for work the next day let your opponent know before you start. If your wife or girlfriend expects you at a certain time let your opponent know what time you need to leave.

If your losing you can quit anytime anyway.

With my health an issue on how long and when I can play sometimes I feel it is only common sense to let your opponent know that you might have to quit or you have to leave at a certain time.

I always let my opponent know that I'm not going to run away. We can play tomorrow or the next day.

Many times when I'm traveling i might run into someone to play and I play not feeling the best. I probably shouldn't have played that day. After losing some money the first day they better play awful good the next because with a good nights rest I'm usually capable of playing my top game. But usually we get back to even and then they quit.

Just the nature of the beast.

Good Luck....
 
I like the idea of announcing a time limit. I usually never play for more than a few hours, so I always state that I can play till X:XX o'clock.

BUT I think the gambler who expects you to play for a 10 hour session (or something ridiculous) until one of you is broke, is equally responsible to indicate what his or her intentions are. Not everyone has the time or interest in reliving the Hustlers first pool scene.
 
There are no rules for gambling, but there are things that people are expecting from their gambling opponent. The question isn't whether these expectations are fair and reasonable (and more often they are not), but whether you are willing to follow them hoping to get more action from the opponent in the future. Of course, you can just not follow these rules, but that might risk your future action.

I'm pretty sure real hustlers/gamblers have a lot of stories how they have bended over their opponent's requests just to get more action (and money) from him.
 
I mostly people I'm friendly with and want to keep playing. So I'll tell them what time I"ll play to instead of just saying thanks for the c-spot, gotta run.
 
I've had one guy woof and woof at me to play that I didn't want to play (due to his attitude and antics I've seen when he plays others). I decided to play one day, and had him stuck $60 when I had to be somewhere (we'd played for a little over 2 hours). He started to throw a hissy, and I tossed the $60 back on the table, and said, "I've told you WAY too many times I don't want to play you; the next time I say it, I MEAN IT!" "Thanks for the game, I gotta go". He just looked TOTALLY befuddled. I had a friend tell me he said something about the situation to him, and my friend told him that I don't care about the betting part anyway (too many headaches).....He's never woofed at me since.

Quit whenever you want, if they can't afford to lose what they are down, they shouldn't have played for it in the first place. Besides, they can have a chance at their money some other time; why would you have to stay at the poolhall until they go bust or get even.....

(obviously I'm not a fan of ALL the gambling side of playing, but tolerate it just to play)
 
Quit winner whenever you want. Just don't be surprised if you lose action this way. Some people will think it is nitty, especially if you quit after 3 or 4 games.
 
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JarnoV said:
Was my comment that bad in your opinion then? :-)
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No, I was just joking because there have been many threads before on this topic with varying opinions.

I don't gamble much but there was a former hard core road player the late Tom Ferry (road name Tom Martin) who posted here.

He established the rules ahead of time, anybody can quit at anytime and post up before every set. That makes sense to me. Of course that was because Tom wanted their money in his pocket and a way out when they figured out he was hustling them and tried to to adjust to a fair game.

Judging from the responses to this question I'm guessing 95% of people don't adhere to Tom's advice.
 
i avoid any of this by laying down simple ground rules that both players can agree to. if not, how did you even make a game?

first and foremost settle on a game then weight if needed.
specify amount and play duration. make a time clear we play until this time..
and most importantly POST THAT MONEY!

with those simple quick rules, there is no argument that can't be shut down by any of the predetermined rules as a rebuttal. hey your opponet agreed didnt he? so whose the bad guy now?
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Quit whenever you want.

Some will argue a violation of gambling ethics.
Some will argue a violation of gambling courtesy.

That's just a load of crap because they can't handle losing or not playing good enough to get you stuck so that the shoe is on the other foot.
Is it going to make some people mad? Absolutely.
But then you have to examine if you are here on this earth to make other people happy, or yourself.
There are no rules.

There is no right or wrong regarding gambling and money.
You decide to do whatever you want.

If they can't handle that and feel that you have wronged them, that's their problem now isn't it.
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This logic is fine if you don't plan to gamble in this location again. If you quit a guy, winners with no notice or no prior agreement you'll quickly be labeled a "NIT", "BAD ACTION", and yes you'll be accused of not using good gambling ethics and courtesy, rightfully so!

Smart gamblers either set time limits before they start or at least tell the opponent in advance that you're getting tired or have to get home soon and that this will be the last set tonight and offer to play again at a better time, before quitting winners. The analogy about quiting winners at a casino is bogus. It's a completely different scenario.

I'm not saying you have to play until the guy wears you down and gets even, but there are ethics in gambling and quiting winners with no prior notice is a breech of those ethics. Sure, you can quit, but in the long run, if you want to gamble in that same spot in the future, it pays to show some courtesy. You'll get more opportunities to win again. When you're labeled a "NIT, or BAD ACTION" it will bite you in the ass eventually!


Sherm
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Quit whenever you want.

Some will argue a violation of gambling ethics.
Some will argue a violation of gambling courtesy.

That's just a load of crap because they can't handle losing or not playing good enough to get you stuck so that the shoe is on the other foot.
Is it going to make some people mad? Absolutely.
But then you have to examine if you are here on this earth to make other people happy, or yourself.
There are no rules.

There is no right or wrong regarding gambling and money.
You decide to do whatever you want.

If they can't handle that and feel that you have wronged them, that's their problem now isn't it.
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Threads and replies like this are what is making the pool world what it is today. This is lame and pathetic.
 
cuesmith said:
This logic is fine if you don't plan to gamble in this location again. If you quit a guy, winners with no notice or no prior agreement you'll quickly be labeled a "NIT", "BAD ACTION", and yes you'll be accused of not using good gambling ethics and courtesy, rightfully so!

Smart gamblers either set time limits before they start or at least tell the opponent in advance that you're getting tired or have to get home soon and that this will be the last set tonight and offer to play again at a better time, before quitting winners. The analogy about quiting winners at a casino is bogus. It's a completely different scenario.

I'm not saying you have to play until the guy wears you down and gets even, but there are ethics in gambling and quiting winners with no prior notice is a breech of those ethics. Sure, you can quit, but in the long run, if you want to gamble in that same spot in the future, it pays to show some courtesy. You'll get more opportunities to win again. When you're labeled a "NIT, or BAD ACTION" it will bite you in the ass eventually!


Sherm
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Good post Sherm.:thumbup: These unwritten ethical rules, I believe are the best way to gamble at pool. Make it known in the beginning!
 
Well, this idea of gambling ethics is great, other than it varies by room/person.

Has anyone seen someone labeled bad action and it cost the guy games?

I'm not real experienced compared to most of you, but IMO gamblers want to gamble, and frankly it can b a bit out of their control to say no. I'm rarely hitting the same guy twice.

I admit, I have a couple of same speed friends who are down and avoiding me, but frankly, we can play $100 a rack and be within $100 at the end of most any time period. So, I'm more afraid I'll be paying when we meet again...oh well. Besides, I quit them when time or money ran out for them.

Well hopefully someone else with money, but less than f1 speed shows soon! Or I could learn rotation better. All the locals are moving to rotation and 10 ball.
 
nksmfamjp said:
Well, this idea of gambling ethics is great, other than it varies by room/person.

Has anyone seen someone labeled bad action and it cost the guy games?
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Absolutely! I owned a pool bar and 2 different pool rooms, all of which were the action spots in Cincinnati during my tenure there, and I've seen it many times. Why gamble with someone who you know is "bad action" when there are many who aren't. I'm not saying they are _never_ played, but they are also considered "fair game" in any kind of action they are involved in and the most likely to be dumped, not that I endorse dumping, but I have seen certain people who felt they deserved whatever happened to them. Same goes for side line bettors who win money and never pass a "jelly roll" to the players who match up!
 
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daimion said:
i avoid any of this by laying down simple ground rules that both players can agree to. if not, how did you even make a game?

first and foremost settle on a game then weight if needed.
specify amount and play duration. make a time clear we play until this time..
and most importantly POST THAT MONEY!

with those simple quick rules, there is no argument that can't be shut down by any of the predetermined rules as a rebuttal. hey your opponet agreed didnt he? so whose the bad guy now?
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I will add one more rule such as:
I tell my opponent that he can`t kiss his girl friend when I am at the table( causes distraction).However I don`t mind him doing that if I am also allowed to kiss her.:thumbup:
 
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