CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

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lfigueroa said:
I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. I usually don't comment on videos if I haven't watched them.

Now I do have to confess I watched Spider shooting balls with part of the table covered up. Hilarious. I'm surprised that one didn't go viral :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Good thought -- videoing yourself is a great. It can really have a huge impact on your game and even if you have to go out and buy a little camcorder and tripod the cost will probably be worth more, and do more for your game, than any lesson (or DVD) out there.

Lou Figueroa
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This is what I was talking about. That you seem to think that instructors are a waste of money. That anyone can self-diagnose themselves just as well.
 
As someone who really loves this game I have found this discussion about CTE to be very interesting. The most interesting thing I have found is the following paradox: Many very intelligent and well written people that post on this forum have come to the conclusion that this game is really quite simple and all this talk about aiming systems is actually of little value. I have recently come to this conclusion myself (although I wouldn't consider myself to have anything more than average intelligence).

I would do anything to improve my game and I guarantee you even those that criticize CTE would use if it worked for them. I have tried a lot of different things to improve but what it boils down to for me is when I use a system of any sort the analytical portion of my brain takes over. I am 99% percent certain this is not good. What I focus on now is not my brain but my body. How does the shot feel? If I miss it - I shoot it again until I make it. Memorize the feel of the shot.

If you can incorporate CTE into your game without losing the feel portion then go for it. But I know that my brain can process WAY more information on its own using feel than I can force it to process using an aiming system. This is why I believe almost all really good players are mainly feel players.

1 other thing- Everybody stop being so sensitive. It is way more fun to read this stuff when it is "full of passion" :wink: Love it!

Those are my thoughts. Now it is time to crawl back down to my basement.

-Chris (hiding out in Stevensville, MI)
 
Well, it's been as illuminating as ever, but I got some work to do.

Back later for more comeuppance - if I'm not on bunk arrest for disrupting the ward.

pj
chgo
 
Neil said:
This is what I was talking about. That you seem to think that instructors are a waste of money. That anyone can self-diagnose themselves just as well.
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What I was talking about was my personal experience going around the country video taping people in an interview setting. Most of the stuff I taught (and got paid for) was stuff people could have figured out on their own. But it made them feel better if it was my equipment, my flashy presentation (covering stuff they could pull from a book or the Internet), my handouts (covering stuff they could pull from a book or the Internet), and my sitting down and holding their hand and telling them some pretty basic stuff -- because this is what you do for folks that are at a basic level. Is there a higher level of critiquing someone? Yes. But the vast majority pf people are not at that level and so that kind of evaluation is lost on them, so you stick to the basics. And the basics can be figured out by almost anybody.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Shawn Armstrong said:
Stan,But what's killing our sport isn't the drunks or the degenerates. It's the PhD's, and the "elite thinkers" that think they're smarter than everyone else, and mock us "commoners" and how we play the game.
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Oh yeah. Of course. It's the "PhD's" who are killing pool. That's obvious, and has been clear to everyone for a long time now.

HAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :D :D

Elite thinkers--destroying fun wherever they go :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
BasementDweller said:
As someone who really loves this game I have found this discussion about CTE to be very interesting. The most interesting thing I have found is the following paradox: Many very intelligent and well written people that post on this forum have come to the conclusion that this game is really quite simple and all this talk about aiming systems is actually of little value. I have recently come to this conclusion myself (although I wouldn't consider myself to have anything more than average intelligence).

I would do anything to improve my game and I guarantee you even those that criticize CTE would use if it worked for them. I have tried a lot of different things to improve but what it boils down to for me is when I use a system of any sort the analytical portion of my brain takes over. I am 99% percent certain this is not good. What I focus on now is not my brain but my body. How does the shot feel? If I miss it - I shoot it again until I make it. Memorize the feel of the shot.

If you can incorporate CTE into your game without losing the feel portion then go for it. But I know that my brain can process WAY more information on its own using feel than I can force it to process using an aiming system. This is why I believe almost all really good players are mainly feel players.

1 other thing- Everybody stop being so sensitive. It is way more fun to read this stuff when it is "full of passion" :wink: Love it!

Those are my thoughts. Now it is time to crawl back down to my basement.

-Chris (hiding out in Stevensville, MI)
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That's a great point: *if* it worked, why on God's good green Simonis covered earth wouldn't everyone want to use it?

And I think you're right about your average set of wetware being able to process way more information without an aiming system.

Lou Figueroa
someone needs to get out
of the basement more often
 
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Shawn Armstrong said:
Instead of spending all your valuable time and energy busting the CTE people, how about you head down to the local mall on Friday and tell kids the truth about Santa Claus? GMT could back you up with various scientific proofs about how fast Santa would have to fly to get to all the homes in the world in one night. Then, Pat Johnson could call them all fools for believing in Santa. It would be great!
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I think that's a good metaphor....but perhaps you should look at the other side of it: Don't you think it's ABOUT TIME you gave up on Santa Claus, Shawn? I'm happy to be the one to help you...
 
GetMeThere said:
Oh yeah. Of course. It's the "PhD's" who are killing pool. That's obvious, and has been clear to everyone for a long time now.

HAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :D :D

Elite thinkers--destroying fun wherever they go :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Don't go there! Shawn is absolutely vicious with his comebacks.

Lou Figueroa
you have been
warned :-o
 
So... tell me again, what we're arguing about?

Patrick Johnson said:
This is why you guys aren't considered the sharpest spoons in the drawer. I've never said CTE doesn't work.pj
chgo
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Patrick-

I confuse easily.

If it is a given, that you don't dispute that CTE works-Then is your next step to understand both why and how it works? or more pointedly-How can it possibly work?- particularly since it's basic PSR appears to say that every shot is essentially the same?

Is this why we are in this loop?...(attempt at illustrating opposing discussion positions)

"...OK, it works, but how? I don't know-it just works. But, how? I told you I don't know. How can you not know how, you're making it work for you. I don't know how it works, and I don't care how it works-it's enough for me that it works. It can't work, if there are not repeatable, verifiable, geometric, mathematic and physics based principles involved. OK. OK, what? OK, what you said. What did I say? I don't know, I don't care-it works for me.

Aren't you bothered that you can't explain or understand how this fabulous system actually operates?? Doesn't that make you seem like an idiot? Well, how is that bad? My goal is to play better. This system allows me to do that, after I have done enough homework. (Doesn't medicine have a term- idio...symtomatic? where whatever the malady is-you have it-the docs just don't know why or how you got it-but you got it.)"

As for me, if being an idiot frees one from obsessing on the why and allows one to excel at perfecting the how-I hope I can become a bigger idiot. If having to truly know less theory and instead concentrate on method-pass me the punch.

Patrick-I am reminded of Dragnet's Joe Friday's signature line-'Facts, just the facts, Ma'am'. We may one day get that definitive scientific paper proof(Spidey's project). Soon, Stan's video will be available. I hope it answers some of the whys for you-but for me, I'm hoping for hows.

I think I had the same argument(not this one) with my ex-wife(in a variety of forms and on different topics) a hundred times or more. We ended up divorcing-we still argue when we see each other-and I'm not sure why-its what defines our relationship. Never a winner-just another round of sparring-about--I forget now.

Happy holidays.

Careful who you seat next to who at the dinner table. Civility has its limits.

Take care
 
lfigueroa said:
What I was talking about was my personal experience going around the country video taping people in an interview setting. Most of the stuff I taught (and got paid for) was stuff people could have figured out on their own. But it made them feel better if it was my equipment, my flashy presentation (covering stuff they could pull from a book or the Internet), my handouts (covering stuff they could pull from a book or the Internet), and my sitting down and holding their hand and telling them some pretty basic stuff -- because this is what you do for folks that are at a basic level. Is there a higher level of critiquing someone? Yes. But the vast majority pf people are not at that level and so that kind of evaluation is lost on them, so you stick to the basics. And the basics can be figured out by almost anybody.

Lou Figueroa
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If the basics can be figured out by almost anybody, then why do so few actually figure them out??
 
stan shuffett said:
I can describe THE CTE. I am willing to let a panel of unbiased observers determine if I describe the system to a high standard. And I will wager a large amount.
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I have to tell you, Stan, if you got a panel of unbiased and EXPERT observers (say, for example, like a panel of professors of mechanical engineering) you would come away VERY disappointed (and much poorer).

Have you truly not realized that?

What you would be describing would be seen as nonsense.
 
GetMeThere said:
Oh yeah. Of course. It's the "PhD's" who are killing pool. That's obvious, and has been clear to everyone for a long time now.

HAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :D :D

Elite thinkers--destroying fun wherever they go :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Yes, elite thinkers like you that fail to read an entire sentence. Here's the original text: "It's the PhD's, and the "elite thinkers" that think they're smarter than everyone else, and mock us "commoners" and how we play the game."

Elite thinkers and PhD's that promote free thought, and refrain from personal attacks, such as Bob Jewett, Ron Shepard, etc, are more than welcome to contribute.
 
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GetMeThere said:
I have to tell you, Stan, if you got a panel of unbiased and EXPERT observers (say, for example, like a panel of professors of mechanical engineering) you would come away VERY disappointed (and much poorer).

Have you truly not realized that?

What you would be describing would be seen as nonsense.
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The system will stand the test of time as being objective and extremely accurate.
 
GetMeThere said:
Yup. There it is again. CTE and GOD (or religion) go together. This time it was brought up by a CTEr himself--good to see a little honesty getting squeezed out of the CTE crowd.
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How many times do I have to say that I'm not a CTE user? Guess you smart kids don't read none too good........
 
I bet it would not be hard to pick out the WORST players
in this thread. Watch how you answer (They sell plane tickets everyday)
I bet it is not a CTE player
 
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