CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

[JimS]

All I can say is I put my money where my mouth is. I just Pre-ordered my copy of the Pro1 DVD on Stan's website. Delivery expected in early December.

www.justcueit.com

I'm going to wait and get mine when I do the two day course next late winter/early spring. I don't learn well from doing a DVD and need the "hands on" touch of the instructor leaning over my shoulder. I learn rather slowly but very thourougly.... once I "get it" I got it good!

 

[randyg]

I'm going to wait and get mine when I do the two day course next late winter/early spring. I don't learn well from doing a DVD and need the "hands on" touch of the instructor leaning over my shoulder. I learn rather slowly but very thourougly.... once I "get it" I got it good!

Me also Jim. Hands on is my learning tool....SPF=randyg

 

[JE54]

I just ordered mine.............

 

[ThePoliteSniper]

you have a question you would like answered mate? :grin:

Yes. I asked some questions on how to use CTE (p26), because my arguments are always myseriously invalid since I "don't even know what CTE is". It's really a cheap trick.
Then I get laughed at, and don't really know why. I wanted to get the facts straight - again. I want to know what it is that I don't understand so I can find out where we disagree.

 

[jmurphy]

I'm just saying, if there's so much value in CTE then a bunch of CTE players should be placing high in major tournaments. Maybe they are, I don't know what systems the top players use.

If CTE works so well, then go and win the US Open!

Just because it is not used by a vast majority of the players does not mean anything. Change can come slowly that's for sure plus obviously pool can be played at a very high level with out CTE also.
A straight repeatable stroke is needed no matter how you line up your shots, pattern play, position play, etc........ A lot of things go into making a champion pool player and a reliable way to aim your shot is only one of those factors.
So the only valid question is whether or not CTE/Pro1 is a valid way to address and aim your shot or not? The fact that Landon Shuffett and Stevie Moore use CTE/Pro1 to aim there shots is all the evidence that anyone needs to answer the only valid question and of course the answer is "YES" it is a valid aiming system. This in no way diminishes other ways to aim your shots such as "ghost ball" etc.........
SO, now that we know that "ghost ball", CTE/Pro1, etc..... are valid was to aim that only leaves one question left to answer.
What method is right for you?

"Your mind works like a parachute. It only works if it is OPEN"

 

[Patrick Johnson]

... my arguments are always myseriously invalid since I "don't even know what CTE is". It's really a cheap trick.

I don't think it's a conscious trick. They're being as candid as they know how to be. They don't know how CTE works; they just know that it works.

And they also don't know (or care) that there's a difference. For them "it works" covers all the bases and there's literally nothing more to talk about. Asking them how they "do" CTE is like asking a fish how it swims. "Are you trying to say I don't know how to swim? I can outswim you!"

Stan's DVD won't put an end to any of this because it won't bridge this communication gap - that's not (and shouldn't be) it's purpose. It's a foregone conclusion that the DVD won't spell out how CTE works in analytical terms, because that's not the CTE "product" that Stan's customers want. What they want is how to do it, and they, like the fish, don't know or care that there may be other aspects of it that interest other people. They just want to swim. And more power to 'em.

Those of us with an academic interest in how CTE helps people aim may never be able to have a real conversation about that aspect of it with an actual CTE user because they simply don't speak that language - and maybe they shouldn't want to. If they did they might not be CTE users, and as far as they're concerned they probably have the good end of that bargain.

pj
chgo

 

[pooltchr]

If we require a scientific answer based on math or physics, we are limiting ourselves.

Physics tells us that a bumblebee can't fly.

Nobody bothered to tell the bumblebee.

Steve

 

[champ2107]

I don't think it's a conscious trick. They're being as candid as they know how to be. They don't know how CTE works; they just know that it works.

And they also don't know (or care) that there's a difference. For them "it works" covers all the bases and there's literally nothing else to talk about. Asking them how they "do" CTE is like asking a fish how it swims. "Are you trying to say I don't know how to swim? I can outswim you!"

Stan's DVD won't put an end to any of this because it won't bridge this communication gap - that's not (and shouldn't be) it's purpose. It's a foregone conclusion that the DVD won't spell out how CTE works, because that's not the CTE "product" that Stan's customers want. What they want is how to do it, and they, like the fish, don't know or care that there may be other aspects of it that interest other people. They just want to swim. And more power to 'em.

Those of us with an academic interest in how CTE helps people aim may never be able to have a real conversation about that aspect of it with an actual CTE user because they simply don't speak that language - and maybe they shouldn't want to. If they did they might not be CTE users, and as far as they're concerned that's probably a good bargain. Maybe it would be for any pool player.

pj
chgo

Now you are making a bit of sense PJ

 

[3RAILKICK]

If we require a scientific answer based on math or physics, we are limiting ourselves.

Physics tells us that a bumblebee can't fly.

Nobody bothered to tell the bumblebee.
Steve

Hmmmm...

A bumblebee...that might make a good club logo.

'Hal's Hive'/local chapter xxxxxxx

Wait for it...


Take care

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Now you are making a bit of sense PJ

You mean now I'm making sense to you.

Glad to hear it.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Physics tells us that a bumblebee can't fly.

No, it doesn't. That's an urban myth.

pj
chgo

 

[champ2107]

Yes. I asked some questions on how to use CTE (p26), because my arguments are always myseriously invalid since I "don't even know what CTE is". It's really a cheap trick.
Then I get laughed at, and don't really know why. I wanted to get the facts straight - again. I want to know what it is that I don't understand so I can find out where we disagree.

To the best of my knowledge i will try and answer any question you have about CTE other than what Patrick is looking for "how it works" because i can not answer it.

 

[JoeyA]

UPDATE on progress of CTE/Pro One

Went to a local tournament at Two Sisters Billiards in Slidell. The Connelly tables with the long coarse nap gave me hell and I went two and out. :angry: Scotty Townsend handed me my first loss even though I had him 3-1 racing to 5. lol My next match was against another good playing pal who plays similarly to me and I lost that one hill-hill.

Even CTE/Pro One couldn't overcome the ODD things that happened to the cue ball on these tables with the coarse felt.

Lucky for me, I was able to witness other players unable to run out a simple rack because of the table conditions. Benny Conway Jr, David Trest, all took a beat-down with JoeyA (not by), while Scotty and Jay Bird took 2nd & first.

I just didnt' adjust to the tables quickly enough. That's another skill I need to work on. It probably wouldn't hurt to go and hit balls a couple of times on the tables before I play in a tournament....

My ego was shaken a bit but a couple of brewskies afterwards, chilled me so I could at least appreciate the other players making it through the tournament.

 

[sfleinen]

No, it doesn't. That's an urban myth.

pj
chgo

Patrick:

It's amazing how prevalent and profuse this urban myth is -- that the "anti-scientists" still are quoting something from that flawed 1930s paper by a German aerodynamics student (that's right -- a student, not a degreed scientist).

http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/05/bumblebees-cant-fly.html

"And, of course, bumblebees cannot fly according to the laws of aerodynamics, or so goes the myth. This story, often invoked by people wanting to dismiss results of scientific reasoning, seems to go back to the 1930s, to students of Ludwig Prandtl, a pioneer of aerodynamics at the University of Göttingen in Germany."​

The incredible irony is when an instructor invokes this urban myth. Now that's the blueberry topping on the cheesecake!

-Sean

 

[Mikjary]

I don't think it's a conscious trick. They're being as candid as they know how to be. They don't know how CTE works; they just know that it works.

And they also don't know (or care) that there's a difference. For them "it works" covers all the bases and there's literally nothing else to talk about. Asking them how they "do" CTE is like asking a fish how it swims. "Are you trying to say I don't know how to swim? I can outswim you!"

Stan's DVD won't put an end to any of this because it won't bridge this communication gap - that's not (and shouldn't be) it's purpose. It's a foregone conclusion that the DVD won't spell out how CTE works, because that's not the CTE "product" that Stan's customers want. What they want is how to do it, and they, like the fish, don't know or care that there may be other aspects of it that interest other people. They just want to swim. And more power to 'em.

Those of us with an academic interest in how CTE helps people aim may never be able to have a real conversation about that aspect of it with an actual CTE user because they simply don't speak that language - and maybe they shouldn't want to. If they did they might not be CTE users, and as far as they're concerned that's probably a good bargain. Maybe it would be for any pool player.

pj
chgo

Good post, PJ. Ignorance can be bliss. A technical breakdown of aiming systems is not every player's interest in the game. I, for one, have a simple explanation how it works without mathematical proof. I believe the answer will be worked out after the system is revealed to a larger audience.

I reverse engineered the pivot and established a consistent CB/OB relationship that simplifies the reason I arrive at my initial aiming line. IOW I started with the finished product and worked backwards to gain some insight. When you tear into something to repair it, don't you learn how it is put together to reassemble it?

This will never interest a majority of the users of any system. As they progress in their game some will ask the questions and become somewhat aware of what they are doing, but for the most part not. I understand your position that the users of the many different pivot systems don't know what they are doing. True, but the more correct statement would be they don't know HOW they are doing it. Then the arguement would not be an arguement at all. They guage their knowledge of the particular system by their results.

(Not directed at PJ) I would like this bickering to move towards an explanation of the system. I think we have the brain power right here on this forum to uncover the answers. It might take a change in some posters' postures, but we're all capable of that, aren't we? If I'm wrong, so what? I can be right next time.

Best,
Mike

 

[champ2107]

I would like to add this also. If you cant figure out how to read a table and run it out, play shape, play a safety, do break outs,etc. You will still have these problems when you learn CTE. It will not turn a weak player into a pro magically over night,week,year...ijs

 

[JoeyA]

I would like to add this also. If you cant figure out how to read a table and run it out, play shape, play a safety, do break outs,etc. You will still have these problems when you learn CTE. It will not turn a weak player into a pro magically over night,week,year...ijs

You're absolutely correct and you could easily add at least another DOZEN things to your list.

It takes a lot more than good alignment and good aiming to play pool well, A LOT MORE.

 

[pooltchr]

No, it doesn't. That's an urban myth.

pj
chgo

pj...the point was simply that if something works, is it really necessary to pick it apart to figure out why it works?

People are using CTE in various forms, and they are pocketing balls.

You don't pocket balls using CTE
I do pocket balls using CTE

Does that mean one of us is wrong?


Steve

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Ordered a copy

Ordered a copy today. Looking forward to delivery.

Thanks Stan for taking on this project and putting this information out.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

pj...the point was simply that if something works, is it really necessary to pick it apart to figure out why it works?

Is there something wrong with figuring out why it works?

You don't pocket balls using CTE
I do pocket balls using CTE

Does that mean one of us is wrong?

You're wrong to think that's the point.

pj
chgo