APA first place payout=JOKE

[blah blah]

when there is no money...

Like Lisa's deal, our local women's league charges each player $20 per season, and the sponsors supply one free drink per player, per league night. We return the kindness by buying food and even more drinks, chatting with the regulars, and (for way too many of us), public displays of dirty dancing and ass grabbing.

At the end, we get no money at all, but trophies galore: 1st and 2nd places in each division, 1st and 2nd places for top 2 division playoffs winners. Each team's MVP gets a trophy, the winner of each division's MVP tournament gets a trophy, and playoffs winner of the MVPs from multidivisions gets a trophy.

There's an appreciation plaque for every sponsor, and then add'l trophies for the sponsors of the teams who won any of the 1st and 2nd place spots... (Yeah, I looked it up- they cost about $7 each on the internet. Whatever. We find them priceless- especially with the bragging pictures and the pointing)

And there's a massive travelling trophy that gets plaqued up and passed around among overall division winner rooms/ bars, with the extra incentive where if you win 1st overall, three seasons in a row, your sponsor gets to permanently keep and display the historically- plaqued monstrosity.

At the end of each season is an awards banquet where players eat free and friends and family pay cheap. Much strutting, applauding, and hating over the awards trophies, and the whole experience is enjoyed by all.

It has also been in existence for decades- I met a team that has been more or less together long enough to watch each other's families grow and age together...

you being ok with being stuck that much means you probably make more money than you need and don't take playing all that serious

No, we're all of us either broke or bent like hell. And as for taking it seriously- dude, it's some drama every week, with protests, veiled threats, strategizing, clocking, numbers crunching, campaigns for rule changes, secret calls between team captains, and vicious personal attacks varying from whispers all the way to up front and in your face. Everybody enjoys themselves, even when they hate it, and everyone wants those damned trophies.

Is it pool? I don't know. But it really is fun.

 

[theblemishedone]

Here is your answer.

Our BCAPL session lasted 20 + weeks. We finished 1st and received $2400
and 4th got 200$ even last place team got money. This was an in house league
Been there and done that with APA

I run a BCA League here in Phoenix and we pay out 100% of the money back to the players. $7/person/week in dues.

Last season just finished up with 8 teams for 16 weeks. Every Team received money

We paid out Individual awards for Win Percentages, Most Wins, Most Tables Runs and then all the teams got some money back to use as they wish.

1st 1110
2nd 900
3rd 700
4th 510
5th 270 (split)
6th 270 (split)
7th 120
8th 80

Plus the Team that finishes in 1st gets their Team Entry paid for to Vegas. ($250)

(Bare in mind that a trip to vegas for us is about a $20 tank of gas.)

We're starting up again on December 8th and still looking for a few more players and teams!

The Bar pays for Shirts for all teams going to State or Nationals, a Free Team Drink every week, matches the pot on mid and year end tournaments and hosts a big banquet at the end of the season. with free food.

 

[kybanks]

in western ky you dont even get any money for end of session. you get a 5 dollar trophy and thats it.

 

[Spimp13]

i don't get thinking like this. i've only played in 2 seasons of a bar league but i think 3rd place broke even with the dough they put in. you actually stand a chance to win a few hundred for 2nd or 1st.

you being ok with being stuck that much means you probably make more money than you need and don't take playing all that serious

I don't understand your thinking. I live paycheck to paycheck BTW. $6.25 for cheap entertainment, a free team drink, and socializing with friends is a bit more important and fun than getting back money in APA at the end of the session. If I want to play for cash I will play in a different league, tournaments, or gamble. Simple enough. Cheap chance for Vegas with entertainment in the mean time. Sure money back would be nice, but there is more to life than money.

Edit in regards to taking playing serious remember they are talking about APA, not BCA/Valley/State etc, a bit of a difference here at least for me personally.

 

[Lance Link]

What kinda disheartens me is that once upon a time when you played in a league...any kind of league...getting a trophy was a big deal. It was a tangible symbol of bragging rights...of a job well done by a group of folks who came together as a team.

Now, it's all about the cash, and trophies are considered 'dust collectors'.

Well, I am pretty darn proud of my shelf full of 'dust collectors' out in my gameroom. Every now and again, I can glance up, and remember what it took for us to get 'there' that particular year. They still provide me with fond memories...while the cash would have been long since spent, and likely on something I don't even remember.

Lisa

Lisa, I couldn't agree more. I'm pretty proud of my 'dust collectors' as well...

And I'm also going to venture a pretty good guess that everything in your league is upfront, and there are no surprises at the end of the season.

What boggles me is the number of people/players that are disappointed in the final payouts and say, "blah blah blah LO, blah blah blah LEAGUE blah blah blah NO MONEY". Boy, I'd love to play these players in a race to... whatever. Heck, I wouldn't pick the 'race to' or 'best of' number until I was far enough ahead to not be concerned about someone runnin' a handful of racks on me.

Any player with a TENTH of a brain isn't going to gamble with someone without knowing what the stakes (and the rules) are. It continues to amaze me how many people go blindly into a league, and then are 'disappointed', 'shocked' and/or 'surprised' at the final payouts.

My advice to these players ? The same thing I've always suggested... ask the league operator(s) in your area to explain everything BEFORE you join. Any LO worth thier salt will be happy to define the parameters of thier league in great detail, and should be able to address any questions or concerns you may have.

If that league has low payouts, or if they pay back 100%, or if table time is free, or even if they pay back nothing, then that's the way that particular league is run. But at least that player can make a well-informed decision to consider whether or not to become a member.

If the LO won't, doesn't or can't explain the league to your satisfaction, it's probably not a league you would want to join anyway.

 

[ridewiththewind]

Like Lisa's deal, our local women's league charges each player $20 per season, and the sponsors supply one free drink per player, per league night. We return the kindness by buying food and even more drinks, chatting with the regulars, and (for way too many of us), public displays of dirty dancing and ass grabbing.

Yep, yep, yep!! Gotta love those 'half-time' drinks! It is precisely why our tavern sponsors continue to sponsor us year after year after year. Some of the teams can take it a bit seriously. My team only gets serious when we actually step to the table...works out great, and a good time is had by all. A normally dead Thursday night is generally busy, busy when women's league is running. The guys like to watch...LoL! And the tavern makes money.

Last year we decided to really just cut loose and have fun. It was our best year ever! We remained in the 'hot seat' throughout the entire play-offs...never lost a match. We almost took two 1st Place trophies...but had to play short one night during the season, which caused us to miss 1st by two points (forfeited games)...arghhh!

Lisa =====> thinks leagues should be fun, or else why do it? Ya ain't gonna get rich in league play, so why b*tch about it?

 

[alstl]

I agree with the original poster. I've been pissed about horrible payouts for amateur leagues ever since I first played soccer as a child. Years and years of soccer leagues. More years and years of baseball leagues. Tennis leagues. Golf leagues. Swim team. All I would get are cheesy trophies and ribbons. My parents paid good money for me to participate in these leagues!

What did I get out of it?
Fun times? Sure!
New friends? You bet!
Sense of accomplishment? Yup
Money? Hell no.

And I'm still bitter about it!

What good is doing anything if you don't get PAID!


Brian

You mean your parents weren't shopping you like Cecil Newton?

 

[btoneill]

You mean your parents weren't shopping you like Cecil Newton?

I didn't have any decent skills

 

[Ctwitty]

payouts

Our APA league pays out around $4,000 per session spread out to about 25 to 30 different teams. In addition to the plaques for many of the teams each session. Plus various tournaments all year long that are 100% payback. Our area sent 6 teams to the National Team Championships this year and each one of those got $5,000 for the trip and we had 1 ladies team that went and received $3000 due to the fact they only play once a month. I received a handout that stated the payout amount last year which was just over $61,000 which didn't include all the awards and patches. this was our local payout and doesn't include all the cash won at the Singles Nationals, doubles, 9 ball teams, 8 ball teams, ladies teams, wheelchair, masters and jack and jill.

 

[motalot]

$6,400 total pay out with only 8 teams

I totaly agree with such low pay outs. This is a franchise and the franchise has to make money first. They are not interested in the pay out for the players.

This is why I have developed my own pool tournament based on players earning the money. You can go to the web site for any questions but here is my concept.

We are starting in Louisville Jan 10th 2011. There will be 8 teams with 8 players on each team. There is a $50 entry fee that goes to pool players tournament systems. Once play begins all money is paid back out to the players. Each team adds $50 per week and they play for 16 weeks in a round robin format. At the end there is $6,400. Half is paid out to the top three finishers. Winning team gets $1,600 2nd 960 3rd 640 The following weekend all 8 teams play in a single elimination tournament for the other $3,200. 1st 1200, 2nd 900 two 3rd place $550 each.

Then it gets interesting. We begin running a second conference the same way and once both conferences has completed on tournament we merge the two conference. They both play the round robin the same way but only half the teams qualifty and the pot doubles in the single elimination tournament. Our goal is to build 8 conference from 8 different cities. This way the winners will always have fresh players to compete against.
poolplayerstournament.com playerspool.org LEt me know what you think. Good and Bad I need to hear both!

 

[lukemindish]

I totaly agree with such low pay outs. This is a franchise and the franchise has to make money first. They are not interested in the pay out for the players.

This is why I have developed my own pool tournament based on players earning the money. You can go to the web site for any questions but here is my concept.

We are starting in Louisville Jan 10th 2011. There will be 8 teams with 8 players on each team. There is a $50 entry fee that goes to pool players tournament systems. Once play begins all money is paid back out to the players. Each team adds $50 per week and they play for 16 weeks in a round robin format. At the end there is $6,400. Half is paid out to the top three finishers. Winning team gets $1,600 2nd 960 3rd 640 The following weekend all 8 teams play in a single elimination tournament for the other $3,200. 1st 1200, 2nd 900 two 3rd place $550 each.

Then it gets interesting. We begin running a second conference the same way and once both conferences has completed on tournament we merge the two conference. They both play the round robin the same way but only half the teams qualifty and the pot doubles in the single elimination tournament. Our goal is to build 8 conference from 8 different cities. This way the winners will always have fresh players to compete against.
poolplayerstournament.com playerspool.org LEt me know what you think. Good and Bad I need to hear both!

Sounds like a great idea:thumbup:

 

[SCCues]

So last night my APA team recieved our check for taking first place in the summer session. We were shocked to see that the check was for $225.00. Now keep in mind, we pay six dollars a night. It was a fourteen week session with ten teams. Also this is a bar league so the LO does not pay green fees. This means that the LO took in $4900 dollars for the summer session and for winning first place the LO payed out $225. The numbers are literally laughable. I havent called the LO yet but he will be getting a phone call soon. To me this is basically just stealing everyones money who pays to play in that joke of a league. Has anyone every heard of a payout this bad. And can anyone honestly deffend he APA or the LO? Thank god this is our last session in the APA. We will be moving on to the BCA in January. I have never contributed to an APA bashing thread but i have just had enough.

I think you did the right thing posting what happened to your team in the APA. Maybe some other people will pay more attention to where the money is going in that league. I played in it years ago and like yourself I moved on after i'd had all I could take. It's more of a social drinking league where I live and it's not for players who want to improve their game.....

James

 

[APA Operator]

I totaly agree with such low pay outs. This is a franchise and the franchise has to make money first. They are not interested in the pay out for the players.

This is why I have developed my own pool tournament based on players earning the money. You can go to the web site for any questions but here is my concept.

We are starting in Louisville Jan 10th 2011. There will be 8 teams with 8 players on each team. There is a $50 entry fee that goes to pool players tournament systems. Once play begins all money is paid back out to the players. Each team adds $50 per week and they play for 16 weeks in a round robin format. At the end there is $6,400. Half is paid out to the top three finishers. Winning team gets $1,600 2nd 960 3rd 640 The following weekend all 8 teams play in a single elimination tournament for the other $3,200. 1st 1200, 2nd 900 two 3rd place $550 each.

Then it gets interesting. We begin running a second conference the same way and once both conferences has completed on tournament we merge the two conference. They both play the round robin the same way but only half the teams qualifty and the pot doubles in the single elimination tournament. Our goal is to build 8 conference from 8 different cities. This way the winners will always have fresh players to compete against.
poolplayerstournament.com playerspool.org LEt me know what you think. Good and Bad I need to hear both!

Am I reading correctly that the $50 entry fee is per player, per tournament?

 

[Bambu]

You wanna hang out and shoot socially, apa is fine. Wanna win money, apa is a longshot. I never played expecting to win any cash, only the vegas trip if your team wins about 10 playoff rounds straight.

I could understand the posters frustration in the numbers involved, but its not as if he was promised something he aint gettin.

 

[lukemindish]

I think you did the right thing posting what happened to your team in the APA. Maybe some other people will pay more attention to where the money is going in that league. I played in it years ago and like yourself I moved on after i'd had all I could take. It's more of a social drinking league where I live and it's not for players who want to improve their game.....

James

Its the same where i live too basically a social drinking league. My team has domintated the league to the point where all of our skill levels have moved up. And we really cant even play our strongest players anymore. I just felt like i had the right to know where the players money is going. Im looking forward to joining the BCA in January.

 

[Ctwitty]

payout

I totaly agree with such low pay outs. This is a franchise and the franchise has to make money first. They are not interested in the pay out for the players.

This is why I have developed my own pool tournament based on players earning the money. You can go to the web site for any questions but here is my concept.

We are starting in Louisville Jan 10th 2011. There will be 8 teams with 8 players on each team. There is a $50 entry fee that goes to pool players tournament systems. Once play begins all money is paid back out to the players. Each team adds $50 per week and they play for 16 weeks in a round robin format. At the end there is $6,400. Half is paid out to the top three finishers. Winning team gets $1,600 2nd 960 3rd 640 The following weekend all 8 teams play in a single elimination tournament for the other $3,200. 1st 1200, 2nd 900 two 3rd place $550 each.

Then it gets interesting. We begin running a second conference the same way and once both conferences has completed on tournament we merge the two conference. They both play the round robin the same way but only half the teams qualifty and the pot doubles in the single elimination tournament. Our goal is to build 8 conference from 8 different cities. This way the winners will always have fresh players to compete against.
poolplayerstournament.com playerspool.org LEt me know what you think. Good and Bad I need to hear both!

I see that the $3,200 you collect from each player (that is if you get 64 players in that one conference) goes to the PTP. sounds like you want to make some money yourself. Nothing wrong with that just funny considering the thread. Those 8 conferences you seek would make you $25,600 every startup. I guess you just want to help the players. good luck

 

[Sieben]

Its the same where i live too basically a social drinking league. My team has domintated the league to the point where all of our skill levels have moved up. And we really cant even play our strongest players anymore. I just felt like i had the right to know where the players money is going. Im looking forward to joining the BCA in January.

How long are you going to allow yourself to be Screwed????????

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

So last night my APA team recieved our check for taking first place in the summer session. We were shocked to see that the check was for $225.00.

Thank god this is our last session in the APA. We will be moving on to the BCA in January. I have never contributed to an APA bashing thread but i have just had enough.

I thought this area was bad for payouts but $225 is not even the entry in the team event in Vegas is it? It seems more and more people are begining to realize how much of a gaff league it is and are starting to play TAP, VNEA or BCA.

 

[btoneill]

I thought this area was bad for payouts but $225 is not even the entry in the team event in Vegas is it? It seems more and more people are begining to realize how much of a gaff league it is and are starting to play TAP, VNEA or BCA.

For APA Teams in Vegas there is no entry fee. Only way in is to win a spot. Once you win a spot, you're in and the LO gives you money for the trip and APA gives you $500 cash when you register.

Brian

 

[Lance Link]

I pulled this off of another thread (titled : Why is the APA so frowned upon? Post #116), and highlighted the pertinent lines...

Originally Posted by cardiac kid, who just began playing in the APA this year...

Saw another APA bashing thread this morning. I read the information pack the national office sent me. It says right there the APA is not about league paybacks. It is about a free trip to Vegas if you qualify either in singles or team. Guess it will never end!

Lyn

I know Lyn (from playing in Rochester), and he's good people...

After reading Lyn's statement, I don't understand why this vast majority of players are so surprised when the payouts are what they are. It seems that the national office is being pretty straight in regards to thier intentions (to send players/teams to Las Vegas). And I'm quite certain that Lyn is not the only APA player ever to receive that afforementioned information pack.

Yes, I'm sure there are some shady LO's out there (APA, BCA, TAP, etc.). But if you have no knowledge of the LO or the league they run, then do the research beforehand. Any LO worth thier salt will be happy to define the parameters of thier league in great detail, and should be able to address any questions or concerns you may have without hiding anything.

Makes me think of those commercials for GOOD CREDIT, BAD CREDIT, NO CREDIT, NO MONEY DOWN, SIGN AND DRIVE... read the fine print... don't buy into the hype...

And if you don't like the payout structure, handicap system, or whatever that league/LO is offering ? There's no gun to your head, the answer is real simple. Don't play in that league.

Play in a league or tournament that YOU want to play in. One that you feel you will get the best experience from.

We all make informed choices every day. Why should the pool league you choose to join be exempt from not only common sense, but your own best interests ?