APA first place payout=JOKE
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TAP TAP TAP,
so in the OP's first post, if we change the payout amout too oh say 1000.00 for first. thats 1000.00/8 teammates, divided by 14 weeks, divided by 3.5 hours per league night that comes out to .84 cents per hour spent playing pool. not much of a return on investment so why worry about it at all. enjoy the time spent playing pool! BTW i play APA and our payouts are zero.
Mike
When your LO is running a league with 250+ teams state wide $800 to your division is NOT a good payback. BUT as we know if you are playing a league for the money, and that means any league not just the APA then you are playing in the wrong game.
bboxgrinder, you and I have been around this argument a few times in the past, and I doubt this time will be much different. I wonder what it is that you have against my particular LO? (Not that I have any particular fondness for him, I just don't have the problem with him that you seem to have.)
To the point you make, it's actually $1200 per division, per session. $800 to the winners, $400 for second place. I lost count, 15 or so divisions in the state, accounting for those 250 teams you mentioned.
I made my original post to show that some APA Leagues payout more than the OP's team received. By a significant amount. And I did so only to point out that not all APA leagues are run the same way, and some payout better than others.
I'm not gonna get into the business of our LO and what they make versus what they payout. That seems to be where you are leading in your post. All I know is that our payouts seem to be larger than many others I see spoken about here, and that's pretty cool. Especially given I'm not expecting anything other than a night out playing pool, and somehow I've fallen into $210 or so in personal payouts this past year. Not counting the payouts for each round we played in the state Vegas qualifier last spring.
It still remains true, you shouldn't play league if you are expecting money back. If you get some, it's a bonus. The play is the thing.
Lance Link
Banned
I posted this once in another APA thread. I'm inclined to post it again...
Almost everything in life that we do is typically met with caution, until we learn more about the circumstances that will influence our choices.
Why should joining a pool league be any different ?
Have the League Operator's (in ANY league that's been 'bashed' on this forum) been upfront in regards to the monies/payouts prior to the beginning of the season ?
To me, if a League Operator can't be upfront about that, then maybe the payouts are not the only thing that are questionable...
Almost everything in life that we do is typically met with caution, until we learn more about the circumstances that will influence our choices.
Why should joining a pool league be any different ?
Have the League Operator's (in ANY league that's been 'bashed' on this forum) been upfront in regards to the monies/payouts prior to the beginning of the season ?
To me, if a League Operator can't be upfront about that, then maybe the payouts are not the only thing that are questionable...
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The Womens League we have here has been in existence for almost 40 years now. It is just a little tavern league. Yearly 'card fees' are $10 per player. Tavern Sponsor fees are $40 per team. We do not pay out any additional monies during the season for play. Monetary pay-outs to players comes in the form of a 'Money Shoot' that typically takes place during the Holiday break, where there is a $10 stick fee if you wish to participate.
Other than that, we manage to cover all our operating costs, which we keep low, out of the Card and Sponsor fees...plus whatever was left over from the year before...of which there is a complete accounting at the end of the season handed out at the Banquet and again at the beginning of the next season. We pay for our own Banquet tickets and each team is responsible for collecting donations for the Banquet Raffle, which raises more monies.
There are no monetary team pay-outs. Instead we award trophies for the Tops 4 teams during the season, and again the Top 4 teams for Play-offs. We also hand out a Sportmanship Award, and Table Runs and/or 8-Ball Breaks. We also attempt to get each Sponsor at least a plaque in appreciation of their continued support. Last year we had a better than $1200 Awards budget, and work closely with the same supplier for a great discount.
The BCAPL-sanctioned 9 Ball League I played in was a gain basically a tavern-type league. You played as a team during the regular season, but the Play-offs were based on individual play...and the pay-outs where disbursed to the top placing male and female players...I believe it was Top 6 for the men and Top 4 for the women.
Lisa
Other than that, we manage to cover all our operating costs, which we keep low, out of the Card and Sponsor fees...plus whatever was left over from the year before...of which there is a complete accounting at the end of the season handed out at the Banquet and again at the beginning of the next season. We pay for our own Banquet tickets and each team is responsible for collecting donations for the Banquet Raffle, which raises more monies.
There are no monetary team pay-outs. Instead we award trophies for the Tops 4 teams during the season, and again the Top 4 teams for Play-offs. We also hand out a Sportmanship Award, and Table Runs and/or 8-Ball Breaks. We also attempt to get each Sponsor at least a plaque in appreciation of their continued support. Last year we had a better than $1200 Awards budget, and work closely with the same supplier for a great discount.
The BCAPL-sanctioned 9 Ball League I played in was a gain basically a tavern-type league. You played as a team during the regular season, but the Play-offs were based on individual play...and the pay-outs where disbursed to the top placing male and female players...I believe it was Top 6 for the men and Top 4 for the women.
Lisa
Lisa,
What's a stick fee? Is that like an egg management fee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgdTymCZowU
Don't take me wrong Dub. I'm just razzing you. It's hard to tell someone's tone by text so my apologies if it seemed out of line. I am not going to get into the LO in our area as I am sure he earns every cent he gets. Running a league with all the whining that goes on is no easy task and I don't envy his job one bit. All I will say is this, when an LO thinks he can tell people if they play other leagues they are out of the APA that is a tad bit out of line in it's own. But again that is another story and one best left alone.
Me and the g/f spend $20 per night we play. It can cost me nearly $7 on my own if the games go long in 9 ball. Then some practice beforehand. So I'm nearly $10 on my own.
We pay $3 per person, per week, to cover the 'away' fees or whatever they are.
We just won the Tri Cup a few months back, and the team of 5 took home $800. So we got $180 per player. I know I probably spent more than that in the previous 12 weeks to play and drink some beers and eat, but at least we something back.
I don't play in the APA to get cash back. It's always nice to get some moola, but that's the wrong reason. I dont even play b/c there are high handicaps. There is 1 (ONE) SL8 in our league other than me. Everyone else is a 6ish or lower. I play to help the team and try to go to Vegas.
We pay $3 per person, per week, to cover the 'away' fees or whatever they are.
We just won the Tri Cup a few months back, and the team of 5 took home $800. So we got $180 per player. I know I probably spent more than that in the previous 12 weeks to play and drink some beers and eat, but at least we something back.
I don't play in the APA to get cash back. It's always nice to get some moola, but that's the wrong reason. I dont even play b/c there are high handicaps. There is 1 (ONE) SL8 in our league other than me. Everyone else is a 6ish or lower. I play to help the team and try to go to Vegas.
SweetPea
Pug-n-pool lover
My team won 1st place in the session and 1st place in the play offs and we got a trophy and a plaque....no money at all!!!. Then we didn't even get to go to city, because we were on a in-house league and came in below 3rd place the next session. At least you go some money, all we got were a couple of dust collectors.
What kinda disheartens me is that once upon a time when you played in a league...any kind of league...getting a trophy was a big deal. It was a tangible symbol of bragging rights...of a job well done by a group of folks who came together as a team.
Now, it's all about the cash, and trophies are considered 'dust collectors'.
Well, I am pretty darn proud of my shelf full of 'dust collectors' out in my gameroom. Every now and again, I can glance up, and remember what it took for us to get 'there' that particular year. They still provide me with fond memories...while the cash would have been long since spent, and likely on something I don't even remember.
Lisa
Now, it's all about the cash, and trophies are considered 'dust collectors'.
Well, I am pretty darn proud of my shelf full of 'dust collectors' out in my gameroom. Every now and again, I can glance up, and remember what it took for us to get 'there' that particular year. They still provide me with fond memories...while the cash would have been long since spent, and likely on something I don't even remember.
Lisa
I agree with the original poster. I've been pissed about horrible payouts for amateur leagues ever since I first played soccer as a child. Years and years of soccer leagues. More years and years of baseball leagues. Tennis leagues. Golf leagues. Swim team. All I would get are cheesy trophies and ribbons. My parents paid good money for me to participate in these leagues!
What did I get out of it?
Fun times? Sure!
New friends? You bet!
Sense of accomplishment? Yup
Money? Hell no.
And I'm still bitter about it!
What good is doing anything if you don't get PAID!
Brian
What did I get out of it?
Fun times? Sure!
New friends? You bet!
Sense of accomplishment? Yup
Money? Hell no.
And I'm still bitter about it!
What good is doing anything if you don't get PAID!
Brian
I'm cool, bbox.
And if we're talking about the same person(s), and he/they did say that, I agree with you. (A pool room here just re-opened under new management, and the greeting they received from said LO was less-than-stellar, in my opinion. As I said before, I'm not the biggest fan of his people skills...)
'nuff said! Off to shoot in my low-paying APA league! Probably gonna get squashed by a particularly good SL6, if the draw goes like I expect. And that's OK too...
FAIL post IMO...if that's the case I should get paid to pick my nose, fart, and play video games. Fun? sure...new friends? probably not... accomplishment? absolutely... money? not unless you break a record for longest booger, lengthiest fart, or some video game accomplishment (owned a couple of nintendo power records lol). It's all about the money with people it seems.
I agree with Lisa about the good ol days of the trophys. I remember getting 2nd place in speed pool for VNEA in Mankato and got my picture with Dave Pearson and the guy who got first along with a trophy. That made me happier than money would have at that moment.
I'm cool, bbox.
And if we're talking about the same person(s), and he/they did say that, I agree with you. (A pool room here just re-opened under new management, and the greeting they received from said LO was less-than-stellar, in my opinion. As I said before, I'm not the biggest fan of his people skills...)
'nuff said! Off to shoot in my low-paying APA league! Probably gonna get squashed by a particularly good SL6, if the draw goes like I expect. And that's OK too...
Go get em!
You took his post seriously? Maybe I read btoneill's post wrong but I thought he was being satirical.
I thought my sarcasm was dripping pretty heavily on that post. Next time I'll make sure to use the </sarcasm> tag
Brian
Kinda my point
I'm damn freaking proud of my "crappy" APA tournament bracket when I won regionals in singles and made it to Singles Nationals. I'm proud of my plaques and patches from tournaments. They are wall decorations for my pool room. I love all my "cheap" APA t-shirts and patches and other schwag. I've met so many great people (many from AZB) by playing in APA.
And, on that note, I'm off to go pay my exorbitant APA weekly fees to go play some pool and drink some beer with friends. Maybe this week I won't get killed again by making stupid mistakes
Brian
i don't get thinking like this. i've only played in 2 seasons of a bar league but i think 3rd place broke even with the dough they put in. you actually stand a chance to win a few hundred for 2nd or 1st.
you being ok with being stuck that much means you probably make more money than you need and don't take playing all that serious