The LO is entitled to make all the money for whatever work he/she puts into it because it's THEIR league. If you don't like it, save the money you were going to invest in that league and instead fire it into some gambling sets--- that way, you have 100% payback - right? Better yet, start your own league, do all the work, and then pay out all of the money in protest. Before you know it, you'll be like, "G'damn... this is a lot of work and I'm not making any $."
So, in short, if you don't like your ROI for your league---- invest it into gambling. Regardless what anyone says on here... leagues are for personal improvement, social interaction, competition and FUN. They're not meant to be an investment on your weekly dues, win/lose.
When your LO is running a league with 250+ teams state wide $800 to your division is NOT a good payback. BUT as we know if you are playing a league for the money, and that means any league not just the APA then you are playing in the wrong game.![]()
Here's what I suggest to anyone reading this thread...
Don't take my or anyone else's word for gospel.
Go online to any of the pool organizations and look up the LO for your area.
Then call that person.
Ask them to explain thier league to you.
Ask them how the handicap system works.
Ask them about dues.
Ask them how the money is paid back.
And see for yourself who has the players best interest in mind...
www.poolplayers.com
www.playbca.com
www.tapleague.com
And afterwards, if YOU'RE happy with the league that YOU choose, then that's all that matters.
All I've ever suggested is that the players do the research and be well-informed about the league they join.
TMonetary pay-outs to players comes in the form of a 'Money Shoot' that typically takes place during the Holiday break, where there is a $10 stick fee if you wish to participate.
Lisa
bboxgrinder, you and I have been around this argument a few times in the past, and I doubt this time will be much different. I wonder what it is that you have against my particular LO? (Not that I have any particular fondness for him, I just don't have the problem with him that you seem to have.)
To the point you make, it's actually $1200 per division, per session. $800 to the winners, $400 for second place. I lost count, 15 or so divisions in the state, accounting for those 250 teams you mentioned.
I made my original post to show that some APA Leagues payout more than the OP's team received. By a significant amount. And I did so only to point out that not all APA leagues are run the same way, and some payout better than others.
I'm not gonna get into the business of our LO and what they make versus what they payout. That seems to be where you are leading in your post. All I know is that our payouts seem to be larger than many others I see spoken about here, and that's pretty cool. Especially given I'm not expecting anything other than a night out playing pool, and somehow I've fallen into $210 or so in personal payouts this past year. Not counting the payouts for each round we played in the state Vegas qualifier last spring.
It still remains true, you shouldn't play league if you are expecting money back. If you get some, it's a bonus. The play is the thing.
Don't take me wrong Dub. I'm just razzing you. It's hard to tell someone's tone by text so my apologies if it seemed out of line. I am not going to get into the LO in our area as I am sure he earns every cent he gets. Running a league with all the whining that goes on is no easy task and I don't envy his job one bit. All I will say is this, when an LO thinks he can tell people if they play other leagues they are out of the APA that is a tad bit out of line in it's own. But again that is another story and one best left alone.
I agree with the original poster. I've been pissed about horrible payouts for amateur leagues ever since I first played soccer as a child. Years and years of soccer leagues. More years and years of baseball leagues. Tennis leagues. Golf leagues. Swim team. All I would get are cheesy trophies and ribbons. My parents paid good money for me to participate in these leagues!
What did I get out of it?
Fun times? Sure!
New friends? You bet!
Sense of accomplishment? Yup
Money? Hell no.
And I'm still bitter about it!
What good is doing anything if you don't get PAID!
Brian
I'm cool, bbox.
And if we're talking about the same person(s), and he/they did say that, I agree with you. (A pool room here just re-opened under new management, and the greeting they received from said LO was less-than-stellar, in my opinion. As I said before, I'm not the biggest fan of his people skills...)
'nuff said! Off to shoot in my low-paying APA league! Probably gonna get squashed by a particularly good SL6, if the draw goes like I expect. And that's OK too...![]()
FAIL post IMO...if that's the case I should get paid to pick my nose, fart, and play video games. Fun? sure...new friends? probably not... accomplishment? absolutely... money? not unless you break a record for longest booger, lengthiest fart, or some video game accomplishment (owned a couple of nintendo power records lol). It's all about the money with people it seems.
I agree with Lisa about the good ol days of the trophys. I remember getting 2nd place in speed pool for VNEA in Mankato and got my picture with Dave Pearson and the guy who got first along with a trophy. That made me happier than money would have at that moment.
FAIL post IMO...
I agree with Lisa about the good ol days of the trophys. I remember getting 2nd place in speed pool for VNEA in Mankato and got my picture with Dave Pearson and the guy who got first along with a trophy. That made me happier than money would have at that moment.
Um, you get a check for winning a session? This is news to me. Is this standard with other APA teams here in the US? Our money goes toward the Vegas fund along with other things. If you have 8 people on your team that is about $28.12 a person so you get your money back for 4 of the weeks you played. I would be happy to get any money back lol.
Edit, we pay I believe $6.25 and get a free drink and no money back even with winning a session. No complaints on my end for some cheap entertainment to try to go to Vegas and compete at the same time.