Not anymore, my whole team is leaving the APA and joining the BCA in Jaunuary.
APA first place payout=JOKE
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Not anymore, my whole team is leaving the APA and joining the BCA in Jaunuary.
I dont like this situation and this is why my team is moving to the BCA. If people would read everything in a thread they would realize this. Its midsession right now so were not going to quit. Also it is my right to express my opinion when i think people are getting a raw deal. Theres not one thing wrong for wanting to know where money goes. This LO overlooks 12 divisions. And thats 5K a division for one session. And hes paying back 225 for first place. Its a joke and people should be informed about it.
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Lukemindish, you're absolutely right. There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, and there's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to know where the money goes.
There will probably be a few naysayers pop up in this thread that will ask you, "What do you care where the money goes, or how much the LO gets paid ?"
While I agree that an LO should get reasonable financial compensation, some do tend to go a bit overboard with thier own paychecks.
Sure, you're pissed off at $225. Hell, I don't blame you one bit. If we were in the same league, after crunching the numbers, I'd be pretty cheesed off, too.
My only point is that those questions should be asked BEFORE you join ANY league. The answers will tell you which organizations have the players best interests at the forefront of it's agenda.
payout
Hello, please bear with me but i am trying to get this all right. Out of the twelve divisions, you were the only team that got any money. Is that right or did teams from all twelve get money and were there teams that got second place money and third place money and so on. When your teams go to vegas do receive money for that as well. Just wondering, thanks
Hello, please bear with me but i am trying to get this all right. Out of the twelve divisions, you were the only team that got any money. Is that right or did teams from all twelve get money and were there teams that got second place money and third place money and so on. When your teams go to vegas do receive money for that as well. Just wondering, thanks
I think someone should set up a poll or keep a running list of APA territory, fees, payouts, and tournament format.
My previous APA League Op used to payout $800 a session for the high points winner and up to two separate playoff winners PER DIVISION PER SESSION. Plus, there was a payout at the TriCup. The winners at Cities got the Vegas cheese. Dues are $8/week fees, scoresheets mailed, SASE for returns. Most Divisions 10 to 12 teams. 15 to 18 divisions per format.
My current LOP pays nothing, until Cities. $7 fees, you pickup and dropoff the scoresheets.
Big difference.
My previous APA League Op used to payout $800 a session for the high points winner and up to two separate playoff winners PER DIVISION PER SESSION. Plus, there was a payout at the TriCup. The winners at Cities got the Vegas cheese. Dues are $8/week fees, scoresheets mailed, SASE for returns. Most Divisions 10 to 12 teams. 15 to 18 divisions per format.
My current LOP pays nothing, until Cities. $7 fees, you pickup and dropoff the scoresheets.
Big difference.
$50 per player
Yes it is $50 per player. We came up with this amount because this is what we have to have to run the tournament. When you add all the cost associated with it to build the conference it is not that much profit. We actuallly earn our money through sponsors and advertisement
Yes it is $50 per player. We came up with this amount because this is what we have to have to run the tournament. When you add all the cost associated with it to build the conference it is not that much profit. We actuallly earn our money through sponsors and advertisement
$3,200
I think it is a very fair percentage compared to any other pool league or tournament. Where else do you have a one in eight chance of advancing and earn enough money to pay for your travels. Look at the pay outs and the percentages of winning. You always have a 37% chance of earning money every session and there is a 50% chance of earning money in the single elimination.
I had a friend who won the APA session and when he told me I congratulated him. I said how much did you win? He said nothing but I get a trophy! If you win the entire league and go to Vegas all they pay you is enough to get out there and back plus a hotel if you are lucky. You don't win crap with the APA
I think it is a very fair percentage compared to any other pool league or tournament. Where else do you have a one in eight chance of advancing and earn enough money to pay for your travels. Look at the pay outs and the percentages of winning. You always have a 37% chance of earning money every session and there is a 50% chance of earning money in the single elimination.
I had a friend who won the APA session and when he told me I congratulated him. I said how much did you win? He said nothing but I get a trophy! If you win the entire league and go to Vegas all they pay you is enough to get out there and back plus a hotel if you are lucky. You don't win crap with the APA
One more question - if a player plays in two conferences, do they pay the $50 in each conference?
Acs payout....
Well the ACS is not much better. The team I am on won first place after our 16 week session and I got paid a total of $209.60 for first place. I played a total of 16 weeks and paid in $12.00 per week ($192.00) so after all was said and done I made a whopping $1.10 per week in profits.. Of course I spent more on water/drinks/goodies in the process.. So the ACS is no better than the other leagues for paying the players!! MAYBE That new league the World Series Of Pool will come up with a better payout schedule!! Oh I should mention we will get one of those plastic trophies also!!!!
Well the ACS is not much better. The team I am on won first place after our 16 week session and I got paid a total of $209.60 for first place. I played a total of 16 weeks and paid in $12.00 per week ($192.00) so after all was said and done I made a whopping $1.10 per week in profits.. Of course I spent more on water/drinks/goodies in the process.. So the ACS is no better than the other leagues for paying the players!! MAYBE That new league the World Series Of Pool will come up with a better payout schedule!! Oh I should mention we will get one of those plastic trophies also!!!!
Won more sessions over the years then I have fingers. Never got a check. Monies are reserved for teams that qualify for vegas (travel ect) which we have yet to do.
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I guess that I'm a little spoiled. Our 8-ball league(ACS, used to be BCA) has 20-25 teams. $10 per week per person. 2, 18 week sessions. All teams get payed a little. First is around $600, Second is around $500. 1st and 2nd place teams also win airfare,hotel and entry for Vegas Nationals. In addition to 1st and 2nd place getting trips, we have a drawing and pull one team out of the hat for a free trip to Nationals. In all, we send 6 teams (30 people) from the 2 sessions to Vegas for 5 days and the only expense to the player is food and entertainment.
I just sat and read this entire thread and honestly I think most of you so called informed people don't know shit!!!! Before you get on some place and start posting you should really do your homework so that you know what your really talking about.
I've been playing in the APA for 10 years, and for 10 years I've had a great time. I can't tell you the exact number of teams that are in our League Operators Area don't really care but we hover between 2nd and 3rd largest in the country. Our LO pay's 2 dollars per point earned in 8 Ball plus adds $100 dollars to that amount for the High Point Team, that is whether they win their division or not after finishing the Playoffs. I'm sure this is the same Formula used in the Original Posters message.
After winning the Division, all 1st place Team advance to the Regional Playoffs and Compete for over $15k in Total Prize Money all Teams that make it to the Regional Level if they loose in the 1st. round the Team gets $200, the 1st Place Team gets $4,000, 2nd Place $2,000 etc. etc.
After Regionals the Winners Advance to the Vegas Qualifiers with additional $$$ Payouts.
Once your at Vegas then you know the rest. " I Hope"
Leagues are meant to be fun, so stop the *****ing, Play Pool and have Fun!!!
Black Cat
I've been playing in the APA for 10 years, and for 10 years I've had a great time. I can't tell you the exact number of teams that are in our League Operators Area don't really care but we hover between 2nd and 3rd largest in the country. Our LO pay's 2 dollars per point earned in 8 Ball plus adds $100 dollars to that amount for the High Point Team, that is whether they win their division or not after finishing the Playoffs. I'm sure this is the same Formula used in the Original Posters message.
After winning the Division, all 1st place Team advance to the Regional Playoffs and Compete for over $15k in Total Prize Money all Teams that make it to the Regional Level if they loose in the 1st. round the Team gets $200, the 1st Place Team gets $4,000, 2nd Place $2,000 etc. etc.
After Regionals the Winners Advance to the Vegas Qualifiers with additional $$$ Payouts.
Once your at Vegas then you know the rest. " I Hope"
Leagues are meant to be fun, so stop the *****ing, Play Pool and have Fun!!!
Black Cat
I cannot believe what you guys put up with APA. I have played Valley before and BCA this session. Valley will/does payout better by a longshot compared to what I see in this thread, at least in Indianapolis. Last year I was on a Valley team with 5 players we played about 24 weeks or so and I have no idea of the number of total teams but I think it was 12 or so. We won the league and it payed very well, we got $525 per player so no Vegas trips or anything but that is >$2600 for the team. We only paid in 7 bucks a week to play in the league. The league operator was Just Darts out of Indy we played out of BW3 at 31 and Stop 11. We paid our money had some good times played hard overcame the handicap and got paid for our efforts. I did not profit much but 1st place should get their money back plus something for winning a league.
Anyone playing league pool for the money needs to get a better paying job.
Most league pool is for fun and to enjoy the game. The different leagues and its members should not be fighting one another. If it weren't for the leagues many of the places we play would not be in business. And if not for leagues, the number of players would most likely be much less than there is today. Leagues and league players have helped many in the billiard industry and other industries to make a living.
Players playing in leagues should be happy they have someone to provide them with running a league. If anyone runs a league (or any business) for free, then that's stupid. If anyone complains about the person running a league try running it for yourself.
Pool will never reach the levels it could be if players continue to complain about the community constantly. Rather than complain - come up with a better solution.
"What's the difference between a pool player and a puppy? One day the puppy will stop crying about everything."
Most league pool is for fun and to enjoy the game. The different leagues and its members should not be fighting one another. If it weren't for the leagues many of the places we play would not be in business. And if not for leagues, the number of players would most likely be much less than there is today. Leagues and league players have helped many in the billiard industry and other industries to make a living.
Players playing in leagues should be happy they have someone to provide them with running a league. If anyone runs a league (or any business) for free, then that's stupid. If anyone complains about the person running a league try running it for yourself.
Pool will never reach the levels it could be if players continue to complain about the community constantly. Rather than complain - come up with a better solution.
"What's the difference between a pool player and a puppy? One day the puppy will stop crying about everything."
Amen :smile:
This is not only a sick joke, but a total insult. $225 for 14 weeks and 10 teams? Thieves.
Now, I thought that was bad until I scrolled down and read some posts where people say their APA league doesn't even pay out at all - only to Vegas qualified teams!
I guess it's true what they say, there's a sucker born every minute, and the APA preys on these people.
You hit the nail right on the head!
It's becoming even more appparent that you guy's don't read all the facts. None of the APA Leagues payout anything for finishing the session in first they don't have to. Any LO that does give anything is doing so because their trying to reward the Team something extra before they get to the Regionals. Regular Session play is only to get you to the Regional level where no money is collected from the participating teams. It's all 100% payout!!!! I am sick and tired of all of you un-informed people out here bashing something that you don't even know anything about because your simply the blind leading the blind.
Black Cat :angry:
I've said it every time this type of thread comes up. My team split $800 for winning the session for our division, done it twice now. The second place team split $400, and the third place team gets something.
Three sessions a year. 14 or 15 divisions in our League.
The payouts are probably a little different depending on how many teams in the particular division. Our division has had 12-14 teams each time, so base the payout on that many teams.
Not every APA area pays out poorly.
(Not counting the money you get for each bracket you get through at the state Vegas qualifier.)
Three sessions a year. 14 or 15 divisions in our League.
The payouts are probably a little different depending on how many teams in the particular division. Our division has had 12-14 teams each time, so base the payout on that many teams.
Not every APA area pays out poorly.
(Not counting the money you get for each bracket you get through at the state Vegas qualifier.)
Sounds like a nice operation :thumbup:
Damn I have never won a sponsored trip
What a second I live in Vegas 
Maybe you should bump the weekly dues from $7 to $10 and only pay out the top 3 team? It would make for a competitive league :thumbup: