Attn: TAR - Are you Derby bound or not?

"CaliRed".

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I've read several comments that TAR is not going to the Derby this year

Can anyone confirm this? Justin??????

If so, that would really bum me out. First and only time I"ll probably make it and I really wanted to include them in my project, as they are a major player in the Derby history, in the time they've been going.

If TAR doesn't go as a business.... Justin, you coming sans equipment?
 
Couldn't U have just sent him a pm or email?? :rolleyes::frown::sorry:

hmmm.... well, actually, yes I could have. If he would have responded, then I guess I would be one person that would know the answer.

But since I'm pretty sure there are many people that would like to know the answer, I thought it would be wise to post in a public forum, so those people would see his response too.

( I used to share my Hot Wheels as a kid too, if that helps you understand my thought process a little bit more):smile:
 
hmmm.... well, actually, yes I could have. If he would have responded, then I guess I would be one person that would know the answer.

But since I'm pretty sure there are many people that would like to know the answer, I thought it would be wise to post in a public forum, so those people would see his response too.

( I used to share my Hot Wheels as a kid too, if that helps you understand my thought process a little bit more):smile:

OK then feel free to make 4 or 5 more posts on the same subject :p:sorry::rolleyes:
 
Good question Cali! Post away, now that you have APA7's permission ;)

I do remember reading somewhere recently that TAR was going to be there for the last 6 or 7 days of DCC if I remember correctly. Most of us are interested in this information, looks like the above poster is too or he would not have chimed in TWICE!!
 
OK then feel free to make 4 or 5 more posts on the same subject :p:sorry::rolleyes:

hmmm... so you're saying there is some recent threads that ask the same question? If so, links please

Otherwise, the only references I've seen are buried in other posts, that if someone was looking for a answer to the question I posed, they may never find it.

If you have the time, can I ask if you would be so kind as to allow me to send any future posts I think about creating to you, so that you may approve them for worthiness/repetition/content? This way I'll be sure the posts meet the AZB standard for posting on a public forum.:rolleyes:
 
hmmm... so you're saying there is some recent threads that ask the same question? If so, links please

Otherwise, the only references I've seen are buried in other posts, that if someone was looking for a answer to the question I posed, they may never find it.

If you have the time, can I ask if you would be so kind as to allow me to send any future posts I think about creating to you, so that you may approve them for worthiness/repetition/content? This way I'll be sure the posts meet the AZB standard for posting on a public forum.:rolleyes:

We know you're just jealous because you never made it to APA 7! :thumbup:
 
We know you're just jealous because you never made it to APA 7! :thumbup:

hehe.... yeah.... whatever THAT is! Don't want to hijack my own thread with the 2nd most controversial subject next to Aiming methods, but someone giving me a number that tells me how good I am, don't mean squat to me. In the pool world, I want to know how well a person plays by

a. when behind by 9 games in a race to 11, does he give up?

b. when it's hill hill does he typically execute the rack like any other game, or is he now taking 15 looks at every shot, getting up and down on his stroke and sweating profusely:grin:

c. does he know how to match up correctly

d. is he fairly steady... not playing like God one day, then playing like Tom Cruise the next

e. does he live and breath pool, or does he got a full time job and loves to bowl too.

f. who does he learn from... masters of the game or his best buddy

g. is he a tournament player or a money player

h. and most of all... DOES HE CHOKE IN PRESSURE SITUATIONS!!!:D

Those things would help me decide on who I want to bet on between 2 players. If someone told me someone was a APA/BPA/CPA 8 or 2 or 15, that wouldn't tell me squat.

(if case you were wondering, I'm not much into leagues, never have been) I couldn't tell you what APA or any other league does or is.
 
I am working on that right now. If we do go some things will change from years past. Right now I really don't know if we are going or not.
 
I like TAR for the action room, but NO ONE compares to Accu-Stats for the full production tournament matches. They have much better equipment, more experience, the best commentators in the business and the know how to make it all work right together. Pat Fleming has dedicated his life to archiving the greatest pool players in the greatest tournaments. No one on earth does it better! That goes for ESPN, Wide World of Sports and all the streamers who bring us pool on our computers. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to TAR, Big Truck, Lenny and the rest of the guys who bring us matches we'd have no chance of seeing any other way! But Accu-Stats is the gold standard that all pool productions are judged by. We need to remember this and support Accu-Stats by purchasing their matches and patronizing them in any way we can. A lot of other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot. If we let them, we're the losers in the long run. JMHO
 
I like TAR for the action room, but NO ONE compares to Accu-Stats for the full production tournament matches. They have much better equipment, more experience, the best commentators in the business and the know how to make it all work right together. Pat Fleming has dedicated his life to archiving the greatest pool players in the greatest tournaments. No one on earth does it better! That goes for ESPN, Wide World of Sports and all the streamers who bring us pool on our computers. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to TAR, Big Truck, Lenny and the rest of the guys who bring us matches we'd have no chance of seeing any other way! But Accu-Stats is the gold standard that all pool productions are judged by. We need to remember this and support Accu-Stats by purchasing their matches and patronizing them in any way we can. A lot of other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot. If we let them, we're the losers in the long run. JMHO
Just curious what Accu-Stats has to do with anything in this thread? For the last three years we have ran 24 hours a day coverage of the action room, most of it completely free. We get paid nothing up front unlike Accu-Stats. So comparing what we do to what Accu-Stats does doesnt make any sense.

As for that other players trying to muscle in and take their spot you need to clarify your meaning because Accu-Stats has nothing I want and I don't want you trying to make it look I am in some kind of competition with them or conflict because that isn't the case. Look around and you'll see Accu Stats does two events a year the US Open and Derby with a 14.1 mixed in once in awhile. Its not like they are out there grinding on the road. Trying to stir up some BS us vs them thing is not going to do anyone any good.
 
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I am working on that right now. If we do go some things will change from years past. Right now I really don't know if we are going or not.

Thanks for the update Justin. I sure hope you are there, in any capacity. I know for me... you were the only connection I had to what I love the most about the Derby --- the action. I would watch whoever was playing till late at night and many times, woke up in the middle of the night to watch some more.

It caused some issues, because work interfered with my Derby fix, but that was only for 9 days.:D

Your stream made me feel like I was "part of the Derby". Without that, I truly feel I would be missing the Derby entirely.

Hope to see you there!
 
NO ONE compares to Accu-Stats for the full production tournament matches. They have much better equipment, more experience, the best commentators in the business and the know how to make it all work right together.

If there were a lot of money to be made in pool streaming/tv production, you can bet your ass TAR would be setting the mark for pool production. When the TAR transformers form as one, watch out. TAR would love to be a profitable business, but 'getting rich' aint happening soon, there for, investing ones life (as you say Flemming has) might not be worth it.

BTW, Accu-stats uses great (6 years ago) SD cameras for tv/dvd/stream production. Just an FYI, but IM sure you... being the expert, know this already. Have a great day. :)

PS. Good luck finding a better streamed production than what TAR put together for US Open 10ball. 1080P cameras, man operated by extremely talented and experienced camera operators and editing and graphics from a living legend in the making. Commentary by Billy and Frost, JCIN and Big TONs of fun on the B side. Spielberg called TAR for pointers after that week.
 
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I like TAR for the action room, but NO ONE compares to Accu-Stats for the full production tournament matches. They have much better equipment, more experience, the best commentators in the business and the know how to make it all work right together. Pat Fleming has dedicated his life to archiving the greatest pool players in the greatest tournaments. No one on earth does it better! That goes for ESPN, Wide World of Sports and all the streamers who bring us pool on our computers. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to TAR, Big Truck, Lenny and the rest of the guys who bring us matches we'd have no chance of seeing any other way! But Accu-Stats is the gold standard that all pool productions are judged by. We need to remember this and support Accu-Stats by purchasing their matches and patronizing them in any way we can. A lot of other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot. If we let them, we're the losers in the long run. JMHO

Nice adverstisement, but you may have wanted to start your own thread on it!

comparing TAR to Accu-stats, is like comparing Raymond Cuelemans to Shane Van Boening. That is, they both excel at 2 entirely different things.

As far as your comment of "other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot", who would that be? I see no one that does what they do. Can you name one other business that films a TV table thruout a entire tournament, then turns around and sells each match on DVD?

Making that comment, which is entirely false, leads the casual reader the impression that there is this big streamer war threatening to put Accu-stats out of business, and since this thread is about TAR, including them as someone trying to "Muscle in" on Accu-stats.

I like TAR and Accu-stats, and since I realize their business models are different from each other, I fully support both of them and wish them both success.

Besides..... if Accu-stats did have a competitor, doesn't that always benefit the consumer? Competition raises the bar for all involved, because there is more than one place to choose from.

Unfortunately, it is a tough business to make money at right now, and we should all get down on our knees and thank all these people, like TAR, that provide us this entertainment, much of it free, all the while taking a bloody financial bath in the process. It is his love and passion for the game and the action aspect, that has given us all the hundreds of hours of free streaming and the many 3 day long Action matches for $25.

If it was Joe Blow doing it, he would have folded a long time ago. We all were lucky enough to have someone like Justin do what he did. I for one, will never ever forget that and wish there were many others like him, to have the nads to do that.

Long live TAR and Accu-stats and the Derby!!!!

Long live Justin Collett, Pat Fleming and Greg Sullivan!!!
 
Just curious what Accu-Stats has to do with anything in this thread? For the last three years we have ran 24 hours a day coverage of the action room, most of it completely free. We get paid nothing up front unlike Accu-Stats. So comparing what we do to what Accu-Stats does doesnt make any sense.

As for that other players trying to muscle in and take their spot you need to clarify your meaning because Accu-Stats has nothing I want and I don't want you trying to make it look I am in some kind of competition with them or conflict because that isn't the case. Look around and you'll see Accu Stats does two events a year the US Open and Derby with a 14.1 mixed in once in awhile. Its not like they are out there grinding on the road. Trying to stir up some BS us vs them thing is not going to do anyone any good.


Apparently I touched a nerve! Justin I meant you nor TAR any disrespect! As I said I really like what you do and appreciate it immensely. I was only pointing out that Accu-Stats has not been getting the credit they deserve for

the many years of service to the pool community. They have a top notch production that is IMHO unequaled in the pool world. Tar serves a slightly different purpose. It brings the ACTION to the masses. You do it well and I

applaud you for your efforts. Obviously TAR doesn't have the equipment, manpower and investment that Accu-Stats has and isn't expected to serve the same purpose. As far as my mentioning that other players have been

trying to move into the spot that Accu-Stats has had for many years, it's true. I'm not mentioning any names but I have knowledge that other players have been trying to get the rights to do the production at the US Open and

the Derby. It's a competitive environment and I just think people should understand that Accu-Stats is best equipped to do these. Again, I really appreciate what you're doing and am looking forward to more in the future.
 
great post!

I like TAR for the action room, but NO ONE compares to Accu-Stats for the full production tournament matches. They have much better equipment, more experience, the best commentators in the business and the know how to make it all work right together. Pat Fleming has dedicated his life to archiving the greatest pool players in the greatest tournaments. No one on earth does it better! That goes for ESPN, Wide World of Sports and all the streamers who bring us pool on our computers. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to TAR, Big Truck, Lenny and the rest of the guys who bring us matches we'd have no chance of seeing any other way! But Accu-Stats is the gold standard that all pool productions are judged by. We need to remember this and support Accu-Stats by purchasing their matches and patronizing them in any way we can. A lot of other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot. If we let them, we're the losers in the long run. JMHO
....please, let me applaud those sentiments! Pat struggles to get the best "team" there every year and I know he appreciates, the APPRECIATION for his efforts!
Just yesterday, I was talking with a friend who asked a question regarding what it must be like to go to the tournaments and how awesome it would be, to work for Accu-Stats. I replied with-out so much as a second thought, "yeah, working for that TEAM feels like, what it must have been like, to play on the 1960's World Championship, Yankees! Thing is though, ya gotta do the work, and all week long, there's always lots of it to do!"
So it's not the usual Tournament spectator or even playing, experience, however, it's nice to know that others really appreciate the effort to bring forth the best in televised, professional pool, too!
Thanks again, Sherm, from everyone at Accu-Stats! :grin:
 
Nice adverstisement, but you may have wanted to start your own thread on it!


OK, Point taken! Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread!

comparing TAR to Accu-stats, is like comparing Raymond Cuelemans to Shane Van Boening. That is, they both excel at 2 entirely different things.

That's obvious to me , but a lot of people really don't understand the difference in the production costs, the quality of the commentators, cameras, lighting etc..




As far as your comment of "other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot", who would that be? I see no one that does what they do. Can you name one other business that films a TV table thruout a entire tournament, then turns around and sells each match on DVD?


I'm not mentioning any names, but there are other players with much lower overhead who are trying to move in. I know this for a fact!




Making that comment, which is entirely false, leads the casual reader the impression that there is this big streamer war threatening to put Accu-stats out of business, and since this thread is about TAR, including them as someone trying to "Muscle in" on Accu-stats.


There was nothing false in what I stated. I'm not accusing TAR of anything, but there are definitely streamers who want to move up in the game and replace Accu-Stats! They aren't capable of putting on the quality that Accu-Stats does, but they have a very small overhead which makes them look good to the promoters who have to pay Accu-Stats to haul all of their professional quality equipment and bring in professional commentators, camera men and tech staff.



I like TAR and Accu-stats, and since I realize their business models are different from each other, I fully support both of them and wish them both success.

I think we're in complete agreement on that point!


Besides..... if Accu-stats did have a competitor, doesn't that always benefit the consumer? Competition raises the bar for all involved, because there is more than one place to choose from.


That I can't agree with. Competition will usually lower the cost to the consumer, but it often dilutes the quality. Think Walmart! Sure someone can come in and offer something similar at a cheaper cost, but if the competition causes the parties to cut corners in order to be competitive, the cost may get lower, but so does the quality! Pat Fleming does Accu-Stats as a "labor of love". I probably should not be saying this publicly, but I know for a fact that he's struggling to keep Accu-Stats afloat. For what he's doing for the pool community, he should be making a good living, but if his wife didn't have a good job, he'd not be able to provide the quality, professional production that he does. He's certainly not getting rich off of Accu-Stats!




Unfortunately, it is a tough business to make money at right now, and we should all get down on our knees and thank all these people, like TAR, that provide us this entertainment, much of it free, all the while taking a bloody financial bath in the process. It is his love and passion for the game and the action aspect, that has given us all the hundreds of hours of free streaming and the many 3 day long Action matches for $25.

If it was Joe Blow doing it, he would have folded a long time ago. We all were lucky enough to have someone like Justin do what he did. I for one, will never ever forget that and wish there were many others like him, to have the nads to do that.

Long live TAR and Accu-stats and the Derby!!!!

Long live Justin Collett, Pat Fleming and Greg Sullivan!!!

The rest of your statement I agree with wholeheartedly! Like I tried to get across, I'm not anti-TAR at all. I love what he's doing and really appreciate his work. I'm just concerned that Accu-Stats could be pushed aside by someone who can offer something of a lesser quality cheaper, just like Walmart has put so many small businesses who had superior products out of business because they could sell cheaper! I just want people to appreciate Accu-Stats for what it is before it's too late and they are in a position to say, I wish Accu-Stats were still in business doing these tournaments! I hope I've made myself clear and you realize I'm not knocking TAR at all!
 
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I can appreciate a nice Accu-stats fanboy love-in as much as the next guy but this isn't the time or the thread to express your undying devotion.

IMO....

I like TAR for the action room, but NO ONE compares to Accu-Stats for the full production tournament matches. They have much better equipment, more experience, the best commentators in the business and the know how to make it all work right together. Pat Fleming has dedicated his life to archiving the greatest pool players in the greatest tournaments. No one on earth does it better! That goes for ESPN, Wide World of Sports and all the streamers who bring us pool on our computers. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful to TAR, Big Truck, Lenny and the rest of the guys who bring us matches we'd have no chance of seeing any other way! But Accu-Stats is the gold standard that all pool productions are judged by. We need to remember this and support Accu-Stats by purchasing their matches and patronizing them in any way we can. A lot of other players are trying to muscle in and take their spot. If we let them, we're the losers in the long run. JMHO

....please, let me applaud those sentiments! Pat struggles to get the best "team" there every year and I know he appreciates, the APPRECIATION for his efforts!
Just yesterday, I was talking with a friend who asked a question regarding what it must be like to go to the tournaments and how awesome it would be, to work for Accu-Stats. I replied with-out so much as a second thought, "yeah, working for that TEAM feels like, what it must have been like, to play on the 1960's World Championship, Yankees! Thing is though, ya gotta do the work, and all week long, there's always lots of it to do!"
So it's not the usual Tournament spectator or even playing, experience, however, it's nice to know that others really appreciate the effort to bring forth the best in televised, professional pool, too!
Thanks again, Sherm, from everyone at Accu-Stats! :grin:
 
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