Men vs Women
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I'd say guys like SVB, Johnny, Mika and so forth would give the best females the 5 and out wild.
I have seen a recent WPBA event. I am not a good player at all, so I'm not one to judge. But there were very few break and runs during the entire tournament, even by the best players.
I have seen a recent WPBA event. I am not a good player at all, so I'm not one to judge. But there were very few break and runs during the entire tournament, even by the best players.
wow .
....really dont break dry....and pray they dont ever get to break....that is alot of money balls on the snap....
wow .
uhhh yea it is alot.......don't get me wrong sometimes some of the top players could give a person the 3 out (nothing wild on break) and they could never see it lol
they def need weight how much? well it probably needs to happen to make a standard to compare to adjust the weight right to "close" to even b/c of course you can't ever get it 100% perfect.
in 9 ball they no doubt need the 8 last 2 just to still get robbed a very high% of the time in say races to 11 on the 9ft.
but thats just 9 ball.........who the hell can answer how much they need in onepocket or banks?, 14.1???? if someone knows i'm listening
or we could just forget this doomed to explode thread was ever started because when's the last time a top woman got in the box against a top man for the cash gambling? don't worry I'll wait......
and if your talking tournaments not gambling then the weight is going to need some adjustment to an extent, as tourneys and gambling are two diff animals.
we both have each our own set of strengths and weaknesses so actually who cares about comparing the apple to the orange as of course they are both fruit and mostly round they are completely diff, same with men and women.
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I would bet my money on jasmine o against any body giving her the break and the 6 7 dont care for the 8 dont need it !
i would like her with 35 games.
What was Jeanette Lee getting at Derby last year? I think it was something like the 7 out. I've seen lower level pros give the 7 out to shortstops and rob them. I saw a lower level pro give a guy that shot good 7 speed pool the entire rainbow in 10 ball winner breaks race to 11 and the pro robbed him. Once he got to the table the other guy never had a shot. He was stitched up so tight when the pro missed it was sick.
They're playing the ghost. If you really want to gamble a pro put him on a tight table and make him play rotation against the ghost. I watched a guy beat the 12 ball ghost once in an ahead set. Took him a couple hours to win 10 ahead.
They're playing the ghost. If you really want to gamble a pro put him on a tight table and make him play rotation against the ghost. I watched a guy beat the 12 ball ghost once in an ahead set. Took him a couple hours to win 10 ahead.
The 12ball ghost sounds like a scary mofo.
Kim came to our weekly event about a year ago and went 2/ out. No famous folks there either.
So if I had boobies, I'd rule the World.
That is fantastic- - I wonder if you had implants if you would get a invite to the WPBA
Not to hijack banged up's thread, but I've always wondered why the women can't have the same abilities as a man in a game/sport where physical strength plays little or no part in its outcome? I've heard it said before that the break is the main difference between the top women and an "A" man player (or higher). But, if the game was 10-ball where the break somewhat nullifies the advantage, why can't women succeed in that genre? Or straight pool, one-pocket, or other games where break strength has no bearing? I have noticed that in the tournaments where the top women compete with men, the women are usually outnumbered at least 5 to 1(usually more). I always wondered how the top 16 women would fare against the top 16 men in a true double-elimination tournament. I know that they would have a hard time putting one on the winners podium, but I don't understand why. If it's not physical, is it their mental game?
I only ask because I have noticed a sharp increase in the womens successes in the shooting sports (particularly, high-powered rifles) in the past 5-10 years and have wondered why this doesn't carry-over into sports like pool. Any ideas???
Maniac
I only ask because I have noticed a sharp increase in the womens successes in the shooting sports (particularly, high-powered rifles) in the past 5-10 years and have wondered why this doesn't carry-over into sports like pool. Any ideas???
Maniac
I agree, Maniac. Which is why I was a bit disappointed that more of the top ladies couldn't make the US Open last fall, to see them in action against the guys. I realize there was a scheduling conflict, hopefully one that doesn't return this year. Then we might start to get a better grasp on the difference in ability, or lack thereof. The ladies will still be outnumbered heavily, so the percentages of high finishes won't be terribly illuminating, but when we look at some of the head-to-head match ups we should start to get an idea.
I hope.
This is all my opinion so please don't throw rocks at me...
Remove the break and I think its mostly an emotional thing. Women are more emotional than men. I think the top women CAN execute just as well as the top men but their emotions keep them from executing with the consistency of men.
Did anyone see the match a few weeks ago between Karen Corr and Danny Hewitt? Karen is arguably in the top 5 women players but got blown out playing Danny a race to 21. I think pool is an extremely rollercoaster game and the ups and downs get to the women a lot more than the men.
For example...
Johnny archer could be playing SVB or any other top pro, get 5 bad rolls in a row and have SVB snap a nine on the break. Next game JA gets a tough opening shot with a tough out behind it and he is still likely to get out and continue to fight 100 percent.
I think most of the women were in this same situation, they are very unlikely to execute after some of those rollercoasters.
When Karen got down a handful of games, I saw her make some very very amatuer mistakes. for example, the rack she just followed the cueball in behind the object ball.
in summary, I think when they are both at 100 percent of their games, the men and women are "close" but I think the womens games dip down much lower than the mens after some misfortune.
I really like Jasmins game, she seems like she can come back stronger than some of the other women and isn't effected as much by the ups and downs.
If Dennis played the top female player 10ball a race to 100 straight through, I think the women would need 40-50 games on the wire.
This being said, I don't think Dennis could give them 4-5 games in races to 10 because they wouldn't have to fade so many ups and downs that would break down their games in the short format.
This is why Bartrum is able to beat alot of players that have a higher "gear" than him...
He can play 95-100 percent of his top game for hours and hours no matter if he is behind by 20. Some of those "better" opponents average 85-90 percent of there top games and over the long haul, bartrum passes. A great example was the Darren/CB match.
Ok, sorry for the long post, please don't attack me, just my opinion.
Remove the break and I think its mostly an emotional thing. Women are more emotional than men. I think the top women CAN execute just as well as the top men but their emotions keep them from executing with the consistency of men.
Did anyone see the match a few weeks ago between Karen Corr and Danny Hewitt? Karen is arguably in the top 5 women players but got blown out playing Danny a race to 21. I think pool is an extremely rollercoaster game and the ups and downs get to the women a lot more than the men.
For example...
Johnny archer could be playing SVB or any other top pro, get 5 bad rolls in a row and have SVB snap a nine on the break. Next game JA gets a tough opening shot with a tough out behind it and he is still likely to get out and continue to fight 100 percent.
I think most of the women were in this same situation, they are very unlikely to execute after some of those rollercoasters.
When Karen got down a handful of games, I saw her make some very very amatuer mistakes. for example, the rack she just followed the cueball in behind the object ball.
in summary, I think when they are both at 100 percent of their games, the men and women are "close" but I think the womens games dip down much lower than the mens after some misfortune.
I really like Jasmins game, she seems like she can come back stronger than some of the other women and isn't effected as much by the ups and downs.
If Dennis played the top female player 10ball a race to 100 straight through, I think the women would need 40-50 games on the wire.
This being said, I don't think Dennis could give them 4-5 games in races to 10 because they wouldn't have to fade so many ups and downs that would break down their games in the short format.
This is why Bartrum is able to beat alot of players that have a higher "gear" than him...
He can play 95-100 percent of his top game for hours and hours no matter if he is behind by 20. Some of those "better" opponents average 85-90 percent of there top games and over the long haul, bartrum passes. A great example was the Darren/CB match.
Ok, sorry for the long post, please don't attack me, just my opinion.
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xianmac great post you nail it.
I am not throwing rocks, and this is kind of a smart-assed comment...but if you think women are more emotional than men in pool you should play in my monthly tournament sometime. Lots of crying and whining...LOL
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