What is feel aiming?
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Here you go buddy.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=185794
Maybe that one will get resurrected too. Lot's of good info in there.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=185794
Maybe that one will get resurrected too. Lot's of good info in there.
It just looks correct. But after playing for 50 years I have seen just about every shot many times.
"Aiming by feel" is a casual way of describing that the entire aiming
process has been internalized - that is, no conscious thought is involved.
Only the single most important idea in pool.
Dale<who is working on a clever name and a DVD>
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Feel aiming...
Aiming at a point on the object ball that, after careful consideration, will in all liklihood pocket said ball. Careful consideration, of course, being gut instinct, experience, sobriety, and sometimes unreasonable expectations.
Faith and hope oftimes enter the equation as well. For instance. "I believe I can make this shot if only the spirit of Mr. Lassiter would enter my body." And. "I hope I make this shot 'cause if I don't this guys going to clean my clock."
I hope I have been of some assistance.
Aiming at a point on the object ball that, after careful consideration, will in all liklihood pocket said ball. Careful consideration, of course, being gut instinct, experience, sobriety, and sometimes unreasonable expectations.
Faith and hope oftimes enter the equation as well. For instance. "I believe I can make this shot if only the spirit of Mr. Lassiter would enter my body." And. "I hope I make this shot 'cause if I don't this guys going to clean my clock."
I hope I have been of some assistance.
Aiming at a point on the object ball that, after careful consideration, will in all liklihood pocket said ball. Careful consideration, of course, being gut instinct, experience, sobriety, and sometimes unreasonable expectations.
Faith and hope oftimes enter the equation as well. For instance. "I believe I can make this shot if only the spirit of Mr. Lassiter would enter my body." And. "I hope I make this shot 'cause if I don't this guys going to clean my clock."
I hope I have been of some assistance.
So basically the old, poke and hope method? :thumbup:
It is a lot of practice combined with eye hand coordination. It is the same as a craftsman that can look at something and determine if it is straight, level, and etc. by just eyeing it.
It can also be so called instinct such as where to locate something you put away in the house or being able to drive somewhere but you really cant give the directions but you recognize the places to turn.
It can also be so called instinct such as where to locate something you put away in the house or being able to drive somewhere but you really cant give the directions but you recognize the places to turn.
Anything that isn't "robotic". Robotic is anything that a robot (with human limitations) could do following a set of program instructions.
A robot can't follow an instruction like "decide if the alignment looks right". A robot with human limitations can't mathematically calculate the necessary CB/OB alignment from raw visual data.
pj
chgo
Precisely.
and this is why, in all seriousness, I think aiming by feel, whatever that means, makes no sense.
Anywho, back on track.
Koop - aims by sight
Joe T
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Joey I’ve been playing about 25yrs now (man getting up there) and for at least the first 15yrs I used no real kind of what we call systems. I would just see it and go for it, guess it was just a picture and gut feeling.
Problem for me was I had to hit a lot of balls to stay in stroke to where I could just see’em and believe’em. I would have those days where I would say I just can’t see’em. I’m not a very quick to be visual person, I can be visual but it takes me a little longer than some, even in conversation my brain takes a few extra beats to compute, very jealous of the quick witted humorous people.
I looked into systems (I snapped chalk lines on my first table over 20yrs ago thinking there’s gotta be a method) but didn’t really value them as I couldn’t see a ghost ball, was clueless about recognizing an angle then calling for a certain ball hit, wrote off matching contact points cuz of the ole have to find parallel spots so I expressed to myself and others that I believed it was all feel and went back to hitting a million balls.
I think some of us are very visual and can take 2 months off and come back and still see’em, I’ve seen some what we call natural players do this, with great envy I might add.
I do use systems now and can say that I believe the greatest value to them at least to me is that prior to getting down and shooting I can give my brain a pretty concrete answer to go after and that helps speed up my picture process. Whether its cp to cp, fractional, a pivot, I used CJ’s too, having that clearly defined helps me. It helps me to the point where I don’t have to hit as many balls to stay in shot making stroke (position feel is different) and having the answer helps get me through some high pressure situations also. I also think thinking of the method you’re using while getting into a shot can help block out other not so positives thoughts you might have when you don’t want to have.
I played some great pool with all feel but it is tough for me to do without hitting balls all the time. Plus now I have lost the bliss of ignorance, I know too DAM much! Right now its funny cuz I’m trying to learn cte, trying to develop a better way for people to recognize angles to use tip or fractional methods and then I’m always double checking them with my cp-cp aiming. WTH, how can I make a ball? Thankfully I don’t have to right now
Problem for me was I had to hit a lot of balls to stay in stroke to where I could just see’em and believe’em. I would have those days where I would say I just can’t see’em. I’m not a very quick to be visual person, I can be visual but it takes me a little longer than some, even in conversation my brain takes a few extra beats to compute, very jealous of the quick witted humorous people.
I looked into systems (I snapped chalk lines on my first table over 20yrs ago thinking there’s gotta be a method) but didn’t really value them as I couldn’t see a ghost ball, was clueless about recognizing an angle then calling for a certain ball hit, wrote off matching contact points cuz of the ole have to find parallel spots so I expressed to myself and others that I believed it was all feel and went back to hitting a million balls.
I think some of us are very visual and can take 2 months off and come back and still see’em, I’ve seen some what we call natural players do this, with great envy I might add.
I do use systems now and can say that I believe the greatest value to them at least to me is that prior to getting down and shooting I can give my brain a pretty concrete answer to go after and that helps speed up my picture process. Whether its cp to cp, fractional, a pivot, I used CJ’s too, having that clearly defined helps me. It helps me to the point where I don’t have to hit as many balls to stay in shot making stroke (position feel is different) and having the answer helps get me through some high pressure situations also. I also think thinking of the method you’re using while getting into a shot can help block out other not so positives thoughts you might have when you don’t want to have.
I played some great pool with all feel but it is tough for me to do without hitting balls all the time. Plus now I have lost the bliss of ignorance, I know too DAM much! Right now its funny cuz I’m trying to learn cte, trying to develop a better way for people to recognize angles to use tip or fractional methods and then I’m always double checking them with my cp-cp aiming. WTH, how can I make a ball? Thankfully I don’t have to right now
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feel aiming is another terminology for not having the proper mechanics. its like mickey mantle hitting a baseball. its a natural talent, not learned. of course thats bs, because mantle spent hours upon hours in the batting cage. always line the object ball up as a straight shot into the pocket your shooting it in. then the spot is easy to see because it IS straight. then go back to the position of the cue ball with a better idea about where to aim. remember, you can survive on free-wheeling for a while, but a player with sound mechanics will whip your ass in the long run.
feel aiming is another terminology for not having the proper mechanics. its like mickey mantle hitting a baseball. its a natural talent, not learned. of course thats bs, because mantle spent hours upon hours in the batting cage. always line the object ball up as a straight shot into the pocket your shooting it in. then the spot is easy to see because it IS straight. then go back to the position of the cue ball with a better idea about where to aim. remember, you can survive on free-wheeling for a while, but a player with sound mechanics will whip your ass in the long run.
I guess that it is an expression used by the people who are unable to articulate in spoken English about their method of aiming. Feelers also have aiming system but they are unable to explain it.
To me, that 'feel aiming' is analogues to another not uncommonly used term 'Gut feeling.'
PS: My ' Red Neck Aiming System ' is NOT a' Feel Aiming'
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To me, feel aiming means when the shot looks right and FEELS right, shoot it. In time, what looks right will be right. It's a memory thing.
That's the way I shoot non-english shots. I make conscious adjustments when spinning the CB, allowing for squirt.
That's the way I shoot non-english shots. I make conscious adjustments when spinning the CB, allowing for squirt.
Don't people EVER get tired of this boring topic.
I think "aim by feel" is a misnomer. I think what people are referring to with that term is just knowing when you are aimed properly by what you are seeing.
Some lucky gifted people can literally naturally just see the shot from the time they pick up a cue. Others reach that point by countless practice shots and playing games. Lastly, I would claim that even people who believe strongly in an aiming system reach a point where they internalize that "system" and just "aim by feel".
When the god damn squirrels in my yard leap onto my bird feeder they "aim by feel". They combine a natural ability to judge leaps with a bunch of previous failures to learn how to judge. They don't have a system. Does quarterback have a system when he throws a football? Does a pitcher have a system when he paints the corner of the plate? I think not.
A system is at best a step upon the way to "aiming by feel" or more properly "aiming by sight".
Steve. <== JMHO, which of course, like with all things I say, is correct.
I think "aim by feel" is a misnomer. I think what people are referring to with that term is just knowing when you are aimed properly by what you are seeing.
Some lucky gifted people can literally naturally just see the shot from the time they pick up a cue. Others reach that point by countless practice shots and playing games. Lastly, I would claim that even people who believe strongly in an aiming system reach a point where they internalize that "system" and just "aim by feel".
When the god damn squirrels in my yard leap onto my bird feeder they "aim by feel". They combine a natural ability to judge leaps with a bunch of previous failures to learn how to judge. They don't have a system. Does quarterback have a system when he throws a football? Does a pitcher have a system when he paints the corner of the plate? I think not.
A system is at best a step upon the way to "aiming by feel" or more properly "aiming by sight".
Steve. <== JMHO, which of course, like with all things I say, is correct.
Lot of ignorance in this thread. I find it funny people don't understand the combination of confidence, muscle memory, hand-eye coordination, knowledge of the game, athletic ability, trial and error, etc etc etc. There isn't a concrete definition for "feel," and I can promise you that it's different for every player
The best players in the world at any given sport don't use "methods." And the guy with the mechanics comment...lol
The best players in the world at any given sport don't use "methods." And the guy with the mechanics comment...lol
I've never seen a robot playing pool yet...only humans and some use systems and some don't, but the some who don't really are using a system that's been modified or don't admit or know they're using one.
What do you see on any given shot and how do you come to determine, in a non-robotic fashion, what to do and how to do it?