Willie Mosconi Quiz on why he did this?

There's only one way to answer this post..........

What spots, there are none. Those spots are in your head only and no where else.

There are real points to line up when shooting a gun, the rear sight, front sight, and whatever you want to hit. These are real, you an touch them. There is nothing like this in making a ball.

I showed my daughter how to shoot. Simple to explain, and quickly was getting in the bull on her first day shooting. .22 pistol BTW.

That ain't gonna happen with ball making, why, there are no hard set points to use for aiming. It is all visualization and trail and error.

All these aiming systems are not true aiming, but visualization methods.

With any "system" you have to use your imgination to see these so called spots, or lines or sections and so on. There are no real world, you can see and touch reference points like sight on a gun.

Not every has the same level of imgination or cannot visualize, in great details, as some of these "systems" require.

Read the Pro1 answering questions thread to see my point. Some get it , and some don't. Some just are better are visualizing what is on the DVD then others and has nothing to do with being not motivated to learn.

I've said it before, There are no aiming systems, just visualization methods, including ghost ball.

Tell this to the 100's of players that have already learned what I teach. Tell it to Chris Freeman that I just taught a few days ago that flew to Minnesota from New hampshire.

Most players that understand what you don't , don't really care if you or anyone else knows. In fact they would rather not have anyone know.
One of the most common answers when I teach this is that they don't want anyone to know this that they have to compete against.

When I see the same great resuts over and over and over it's pretty amazing. We are all the same as far as the eyes go. Just a little stronger dominant or right and left. But once a player figures this out and can see for thenselves nobody can tell them any different.

It just flat out works. It helps you see the shot better than ever before.

When I used to play on the road years back and I would go into a poolhall and look at all the players knowing that none of them had a chance to beat me I would just look around the room and say; If they only knew.

I say the same thing when I read things about players that don't believe that aiming systems and visualization mrthods actually work.

If they only knew?

I use the phrase my dad can beat up your dad and there is no proof either way and no way to prove it's true.

But if I saw my dad beat up 1000 dads in a row I would feel pretty confident that my dad actually could beat up your dad.

Perfect Aim works and has helped 1000's of players already.

If you only knew?:cool::rolleyes:
 
Tell this to the 100's of players that have already learned what I teach. Tell it to Chris Freeman that I just taught a few days ago that flew to Minnesota from New hampshire.

Most players that understand what you don't , don't really care if you or anyone else knows. In fact they would rather not have anyone know.
One of the most common answers when I teach this is that they don't want anyone to know this that they have to compete against.

When I see the same great resuts over and over and over it's pretty amazing. We are all the same as far as the eyes go. Just a little stronger dominant or right and left. But once a player figures this out and can see for thenselves nobody can tell them any different.

It just flat out works. It helps you see the shot better than ever before.

When I used to play on the road years back and I would go into a poolhall and look at all the players knowing that none of them had a chance to beat me I would just look around the room and say; If they only knew.

I say the same thing when I read things about players that don't believe that aiming systems and visualization mrthods actually work.

If they only knew?

I use the phrase my dad can beat up your dad and there is no proof either way and no way to prove it's true.

But if I saw my dad beat up 1000 dads in a row I would feel pretty confident that my dad actually could beat up your dad.

Perfect Aim works and has helped 1000's of players already.

If you only knew?:cool::rolleyes:


LOL Geno good one!

When are you and Bartram playing? I am moving to Texas next week unfortunately but a decent heads up and I wanna see that battle. Keep us posted.
 
Getting closer all the time...........

LOL Geno good one!

When are you and Bartram playing? I am moving to Texas next week unfortunately but a decent heads up and I wanna see that battle. Keep us posted.

Hi there Mike,

I guess I won't see you when I go to Des Moines here in the near future.

Right now I'm working on that shoulder all the time. I've been matching up some but I still have trouble playing the next day when I really let it rip and break real hard. But it's coming.

Wanting to play Bartram and can right now are 2 different things. When I get things right you will hear about it clear to Texas I guarantee it! It's close right now.

This weekend is going to be another test. 9-ball tonight. i'll be breaking real hard. then 8 ball tomorrow night.

Then if we get done by Sat there is that great tourny in Beloit at the carom room.

My best shot at winning one of these is the 9-ball that starts tonight provided I don't tweak my shoulder breaking real hard. It's hard to explain, I can still play when this happens but it's just like a few of the small muscles in the shoulder just quit. I can still play but i just lose that fine tuning.

I have 2 speeds right now. High gear and tweak speed if that makes any sense. Tweak speed is still OK but it can be frustrating.

I guess now I'll have to go all the way to Texas to see one of my favorite players in Des Moine.

I guess it is what it is.

Good Luck with your journey. Where ever you go I know you'll make the pool world there a little more interesting and a better place for everyone around you for sure.

Keep it up my friend geno.............
 
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The Machine

I have known Gene for 14 years. Gene may not remember it, but I was 17 at the time and played in a big table tournament in Coon Rapids MN. At the time he was one of the dominating bar box players in the midwest. I played well in that tournament, got to the final four, then ran into Gene. I played a good set but he was too solid and I lost 9-5. I can't remember if he won but I'm pretty sure he at least made the finals.

We have played since and I think that it is safe to say that we have a mutual respect. The fact is that Gene plays a hell of a game and has a ton of competitive fire.

As for perfect aim, well, one day he played so well against me that I had to see it for myself. I love to learn about the game and frankly a few buck isn't much compared to doing everything that I can to accomplish my goals.

I am not here to give a review of perfect aim. I already played well before, and I still dog it a lot of times these days, so it's not like I jumped up four balls. That said, I can say that I felt that it was worth every penny and that through my understanding of what I was shown I feel more comfortable on certain types of shots than ever before. For me it is like learning the diamond system. I could play pretty well by feel already, and the diamond system isn't perfect, but when you learn it and add it to the feel that you already have you can do things just a little bit easier.

So give it a try and take what you like, or don't. But at the least have some respect for a guy that is trying his best to play well and help others around him. If you don't like his threads ignore them, but for a pro caliber pool player to get mobbed out of a forum for trying to offer a service is just insanity. If he was all about the money he could do much more elsewhere, I know that for a fact.

For those that have enjoyed his stories, learned from him, and had some fun playing him, make some noise to drown out the hecklers.

Gene, thanks for the games over the years and good luck in your next tournament. You have my number, let's play again soon. We didn't have long the other day but I could tell that things were about to get really exciting.
 
I have known Gene for 14 years. Gene may not remember it, but I was 17 at the time and played in a big table tournament in Coon Rapids MN. At the time he was one of the dominating bar box players in the midwest. I played well in that tournament, got to the final four, then ran into Gene. I played a good set but he was too solid and I lost 9-5. I can't remember if he won but I'm pretty sure he at least made the finals.

We have played since and I think that it is safe to say that we have a mutual respect. The fact is that Gene plays a hell of a game and has a ton of competitive fire.

As for perfect aim, well, one day he played so well against me that I had to see it for myself. I love to learn about the game and frankly a few buck isn't much compared to doing everything that I can to accomplish my goals.

I am not here to give a review of perfect aim. I already played well before, and I still dog it a lot of times these days, so it's not like I jumped up four balls. That said, I can say that I felt that it was worth every penny and that through my understanding of what I was shown I feel more comfortable on certain types of shots than ever before. For me it is like learning the diamond system. I could play pretty well by feel already, and the diamond system isn't perfect, but when you learn it and add it to the feel that you already have you can do things just a little bit easier.

So give it a try and take what you like, or don't. But at the least have some respect for a guy that is trying his best to play well and help others around him. If you don't like his threads ignore them, but for a pro caliber pool player to get mobbed out of a forum for trying to offer a service is just insanity. If he was all about the money he could do much more elsewhere, I know that for a fact.

For those that have enjoyed his stories, learned from him, and had some fun playing him, make some noise to drown out the hecklers.

Gene, thanks for the games over the years and good luck in your next tournament. You have my number, let's play again soon. We didn't have long the other day but I could tell that things were about to get really exciting.

Perhaps you don't understand. I'm assuming Lou knows, and I certainly
do, that Geno is a very accomplishe player. And there is no doubt that he
has knowledge that can help a beginner or intermediate significantly.

All this hub bub about aiming though?

And the relentless stream of self promotion, inventing excuses for
repeating over and over.

Dale
 
Perhaps you don't understand. I'm assuming Lou knows, and I certainly
do, that Geno is a very accomplishe player. And there is no doubt that he
has knowledge that can help a beginner or intermediate significantly.

All this hub bub about aiming though?

And the relentless stream of self promotion, inventing excuses for
repeating over and over.

Dale


Yes, I know Geno is an accomplished player. But the self-promoter gives the player the 7 and the break ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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Mosconi never did this? This whole thread is based on pure BS??
Amazing.

Welcome to AzB ! Awful lotta threads on here like that !


We're not saying he never did this - we didn't follow him around day & night , so he could have done any number of things . He could have joined the John Birch Society under an assumed name , or partaken in bacchanalias with Alastair Crowley . We don't know . . . :confused:

Lou is just saying that if it DID happen , he never wrote about it in the books he authored/co-authored .
 
For your viewing pleasure, a little clip of Mosconi......
http://vimeo.com/4957545

I watched the Mosconi instructional video and it was great.

Then I saw another video that Ed Wiggins had posted about Jay. I always knew Jay had quick feet but I had not idea the man could play the piano as well as tap dance.
 
I have known Gene for 14 years. Gene may not remember it, but I was 17 at the time and played in a big table tournament in Coon Rapids MN. At the time he was one of the dominating bar box players in the midwest. I played well in that tournament, got to the final four, then ran into Gene. I played a good set but he was too solid and I lost 9-5. I can't remember if he won but I'm pretty sure he at least made the finals.

We have played since and I think that it is safe to say that we have a mutual respect. The fact is that Gene plays a hell of a game and has a ton of competitive fire.

As for perfect aim, well, one day he played so well against me that I had to see it for myself. I love to learn about the game and frankly a few buck isn't much compared to doing everything that I can to accomplish my goals.

I am not here to give a review of perfect aim. I already played well before, and I still dog it a lot of times these days, so it's not like I jumped up four balls. That said, I can say that I felt that it was worth every penny and that through my understanding of what I was shown I feel more comfortable on certain types of shots than ever before. For me it is like learning the diamond system. I could play pretty well by feel already, and the diamond system isn't perfect, but when you learn it and add it to the feel that you already have you can do things just a little bit easier.

So give it a try and take what you like, or don't. But at the least have some respect for a guy that is trying his best to play well and help others around him. If you don't like his threads ignore them, but for a pro caliber pool player to get mobbed out of a forum for trying to offer a service is just insanity. If he was all about the money he could do much more elsewhere, I know that for a fact.

For those that have enjoyed his stories, learned from him, and had some fun playing him, make some noise to drown out the hecklers.

Gene, thanks for the games over the years and good luck in your next tournament. You have my number, let's play again soon. We didn't have long the other day but I could tell that things were about to get really exciting.

That is a very classy post.

I've met Gene and talked with him several times. I like the way he handles himself in person and on this forum. I've seen him play but only on the bar tables. To say that I want no part of him is an understatement.

I would however like to get that Perfect Aim one on one pool lesson.

There aren't many players of Gene's caliber posting on AZB and even less of those who are trying to help posters with their game.

I've seen Gene provide top notch information free of charge, right here in this forum more than a time or two.

We need more guys like Gene, giving up the "SECRETS".

JoeyA
 
Mosconi never did this? This whole thread is based on pure BS??
Amazing.

Just because a young friend of Gene's made a mistake about seeing it in one of Willie's books, doesn't mean that Willie never did this.

This thread has been a thrill for me because I don't remember ever seeing Willie provide an instructional video on pool.

Thanks to all who contributed.

I believe one pool author was friends of the Mosconi family and perhaps his book could be the source of the information or perhaps it was from some other player. It is still great information. I can't remember the name of the pool author who interviewed Willie's wife etc....

JoeyA
 
Just because a young friend of Gene's made a mistake about seeing it in one of Willie's books, doesn't mean that Willie never did this.

This thread has been a thrill for me because I don't remember ever seeing Willie provide an instructional video on pool.

Thanks to all who contributed.

I believe one pool author was friends of the Mosconi family and perhaps his book could be the source of the information or perhaps it was from some other player. It is still great information. I can't remember the name of the pool author who interviewed Willie's wife etc....

JoeyA

Joey:

That would probably be Richard Kranicki, and he spent a lot of time with Willie and his wife Flora while he was penning his book, Answers to a Pool Players Prayers. Sadly, Willie passed away during the project -- right before he (Willie) was to pen the Forward to the book -- but Richard does go on to explain that Willie was firmly behind what Richard was revealing to the pool world, in the importance of head/eye alignment, how to identify what's the proper head/eye alignment for *you* (which may or may not be what "initially feels comfortable" to you), how to diagnose problems with your head/eye alignment using props (e.g. a tall dressing mirror stood table-side, some string, chalklines, plumb bob, etc.).

It's a great book, and although the topic of head/eye alignment is certainly not new (which flies in the face of what a certain instructor here wants you to believe), Richard does it in a way that helps you understand the science behind it, not just "here's where you need to put your eyes" or "this is what you need to see when down on this shot."

If you want to learn from the source, Richard's book is certainly the de-facto resource to go to. Highly recommended. It certainly helped my game -- in a big way.

-Sean
 
Joey:

That would probably be Richard Kranicki, and he spent a lot of time with Willie and his wife Flora while he was penning his book, Answers to a Pool Players Prayers. Sadly, Willie passed away during the project -- right before he (Willie) was to pen the Forward to the book -- but Richard does go on to explain that Willie was firmly behind what Richard was revealing to the pool world, in the importance of head/eye alignment, how to identify what's the proper head/eye alignment for *you* (which may or may not be what "initially feels comfortable" to you), how to diagnose problems with your head/eye alignment using props (e.g. a tall dressing mirror stood table-side, some string, chalklines, plumb bob, etc.).

It's a great book, and although the topic of head/eye alignment is certainly not new (which flies in the face of what a certain instructor here wants you to believe), Richard does it in a way that helps you understand the science behind it, not just "here's where you need to put your eyes" or "this is what you need to see when down on this shot."

If you want to learn from the source, Richard's book is certainly the de-facto resource to go to. Highly recommended. It certainly helped my game -- in a big way.

-Sean

WOW! That's a very positive statement about Kranicki's book, Answer To A Pool Player's Prayers from a very good player. I'll see if I can add that book to my growing collection.

I take it that you don't remember any statements in the book that referred to Willie approaching the table from the direction mentioned in this thread?
thanks,
JoeyA
 
WOW! That's a very positive statement about Kranicki's book, Answer To A Pool Player's Prayers from a very good player. I'll see if I can add that book to my growing collection.

I take it that you don't remember any statements in the book that referred to Willie approaching the table from the direction mentioned in this thread?
thanks,
JoeyA

Joey:

To answer your question right out of the gate, no, there weren't any statements in the book that referred specifically to Willie approaching the table from the direction(s) mentioned in this thread. You have to remember, this is Richard's material, his book, and he laser-focused on the topic of where your head/eyes are aligned over the cue. He does comprehensively address how to step into the shot, and where your feet should be in relation to the shot line to place your head/eyes at the proper elevation, angle (or not) to make best use of your dominant eye (or lack of -- he does reveal that a certain percentage of the population do not have "ocular dominance"). But the topic of "always stepping in from the left" or "always stepping in from the right" is not a main focal point; only that however you step into the shot, your head/eyes are aligned the proper way.

He doesn't attribute any of that to Willie (i.e. you'll see no "this came from Willie" type attributions), by the way. From time to time in the book, he does recall things that Willie did or said, but the material is presented in way that conducive to a "from me [Richard] to you" flow, not "from Willie, through me, to you" flow. And that's the way it should be -- it's Richard's book, not Willie's, even though Willie was the main technical adviser for it. Richard did all the work, all the R&D, trials, tribulations, and errors, and thus a "me to you" flow is the correct one.

Hope this helps,
-Sean
 
In the statement "walks into it from the left" , I'm assuming the it being referred to is the CB.

If so, I just realized that I do this exact same thing and I know exactly why I do it. It's because I use ghost ball and Babe Cranfields advice of sighting from straight from behind the OB to the pocket before moving to the CB position.

So, for a cut to the right, after sighting from behind the OB, I move into the CB from its left.

In my final aiming, I use one and only one line. That is the line I refer to as the CB direction of travel line. This line is what the CB contact patch rolls on. Contact patch being that part of a ball that touches the table.

The start point for this line is at the CB contact patch. The end point is a spot on the table where the GB contact patch is needed to be to make the OB go center pocket or where ever I want to put the OB.

The end point of the CB direction of travel line is determined from standing directly behind the OB, looking first at where the OB needs to go, through the back of the OB to a spot 1/2 ball from the outer most edge of the OB. Babe Cranfield's arrow shows this point on the table. This is a very good training device. Once this point is determined, it is now the aim point.

The line from the OB to where the OB will be going, I call the OB direction of travel line. So, the CB direction of travel line end point and the OB direction of travel line start point meet it that aim point.

Another thing about the aim point is that it is also the start point for the OB direction of travel line, and not the OB contact patch. The OB contact patch is the pivot point for any changes of the OB direction of travel. Rotating the aim point to the right around the OB moves the end point of the OB direction of travel the the left. This helps in determining how much to adjust the aim point for based on how far the OB directional of travel end point is from the OB direction of travel pivot point.

Since the aim point is also the end point for the CB direction of travel, this makes it the pivot point for determining the CB direction of travel. From behind the OB, moving to the the right to the CB position, the CB direction of travel line pivots from the aimpoint. Keeping moving until the CB direction of travel line splits the CB in half. Where that line splits the CB, thats center ball.

The final position of the CB direction of travel line should also split the cue stick for a center ball shot on the CB.

So, this is why I made the statement I do it. Also, this what all the so called systems do, but this is much easier, way simpler and the concept works on all shots.

Thing about the Mosconi clip that hasn't really been noticed is the rythum(?) at which he was shooting at. As someone put it, it was like watching him dance, he was so fluid, moving with ease and CONFIDENCE from shot to shot.

FWIW
 
It is a great book...........

Joey:

That would probably be Richard Kranicki, and he spent a lot of time with Willie and his wife Flora while he was penning his book, Answers to a Pool Players Prayers. Sadly, Willie passed away during the project -- right before he (Willie) was to pen the Forward to the book -- but Richard does go on to explain that Willie was firmly behind what Richard was revealing to the pool world, in the importance of head/eye alignment, how to identify what's the proper head/eye alignment for *you* (which may or may not be what "initially feels comfortable" to you), how to diagnose problems with your head/eye alignment using props (e.g. a tall dressing mirror stood table-side, some string, chalklines, plumb bob, etc.).

It's a great book, and although the topic of head/eye alignment is certainly not new (which flies in the face of what a certain instructor here wants you to believe), Richard does it in a way that helps you understand the science behind it, not just "here's where you need to put your eyes" or "this is what you need to see when down on this shot."

If you want to learn from the source, Richard's book is certainly the de-facto resource to go to. Highly recommended. It certainly helped my game -- in a big way.

-Sean

Hi there Sean,

This is a great book. When I first saw this book about a year ago I realized why players were talking about the simularities between what I teach and what is in the book.

There is only one place to have the eyes. They have it right and address so many issues with illustrations on where the eyes are on your aiming. I understand why this helped so much.

I bought this book about 6 months ago to see for myself why some players thought I had just copied some of this info. With alot of the info in pool there are so many things that are the same but I was amazed when I looked at this how advanced this was compared to where everyone else was on the aiming issues of the game.

When I do a lesson now whether it would be in person or over the phone with someone that bought the video it has so many things included that were never in the first 2. It goes much deeper into the aiming and starts with the preshot all the way to the final inch of the stroke.

When i have this finished product I would like to send you a copy and i hope you accept my offer. Because I really would like you to see what I have done with what I started 2 years ago.

20 years ago I only understood this good enough to help myself play. Then I started helping friends and fellow competitors in the 90's.

The first video was only made to accompany a lesson in the beginning. This is why I offered a free lesson over the phone for anyone that bought it.

The second one was better but still didn't go into depth about why.

The Perfect Aim Complete that i am working on for the last 6 months will make things much clearer and be easy to understand but I will still offer the free phone calls and help.
This should be ready in about 2 months I hope. Alot of work.

There is a reason that Willie played like he did. He understood so many more things than the other pool players did. And Sean, I know you know that most of the players out there don't even know which eye shoots what shot. Or which eye is the dominant eye.

Once this is done the aiming can be taken to another level.

Even though Perfect Aim started out pretty primative with just telling which way to move here or there I assure you that the new complete will be very eye opening.

Thanks for you comments geno...........
 
Offer accepted

Hi there Sean,

This is a great book. When I first saw this book about a year ago I realized why players were talking about the simularities between what I teach and what is in the book.

There is only one place to have the eyes. They have it right and address so many issues with illustrations on where the eyes are on your aiming. I understand why this helped so much.

I bought this book about 6 months ago to see for myself why some players thought I had just copied some of this info. With alot of the info in pool there are so many things that are the same but I was amazed when I looked at this how advanced this was compared to where everyone else was on the aiming issues of the game.

When I do a lesson now whether it would be in person or over the phone with someone that bought the video it has so many things included that were never in the first 2. It goes much deeper into the aiming and starts with the preshot all the way to the final inch of the stroke.

When i have this finished product I would like to send you a copy and i hope you accept my offer. Because I really would like you to see what I have done with what I started 2 years ago.

20 years ago I only understood this good enough to help myself play. Then I started helping friends and fellow competitors in the 90's.

The first video was only made to accompany a lesson in the beginning. This is why I offered a free lesson over the phone for anyone that bought it.

The second one was better but still didn't go into depth about why.

The Perfect Aim Complete that i am working on for the last 6 months will make things much clearer and be easy to understand but I will still offer the free phone calls and help.
This should be ready in about 2 months I hope. Alot of work.

There is a reason that Willie played like he did. He understood so many more things than the other pool players did. And Sean, I know you know that most of the players out there don't even know which eye shoots what shot. Or which eye is the dominant eye.

Once this is done the aiming can be taken to another level.

Even though Perfect Aim started out pretty primative with just telling which way to move here or there I assure you that the new complete will be very eye opening.

Thanks for you comments geno...........

Gene:

You're on -- I humbly accept your offer. While I'm a staunch advocate against the "upgrade gravy train" (remember, I'm in I.T. and I deal all day long with vendors touting their "latest" as being a "mandatory upgrade"), I'm hoping your third iteration is the one that finally nails it -- "three times' a charm." I do have your first two DVDs, but to be honest -- for me -- they didn't cover any new ground that I didn't already know from Richard's book, and the exercises / visualization troubleshooting techniques he details in it. On those days when I'm not visualizing my best -- when a known committed-to-muscle-memory shot isn't looking quite right -- I go through a mental checklist built from what I've learned from Richard's book, and I'm very quickly right back on track. It's usually a problem in my pre-shot routine, and the mental checklist illuminates it. This "self-realignment" is especially helpful when you're under duress (e.g. in an important match), when human tendency is to take shortcuts.

I do agree with you that many people do not know which is their *pool playing* dominant eye. (It's important to note that the notion of ocular dominance is not a "fixed price -- it's always this way for all activities" thing. One of your eyes may be dominant for aiming in pool, but your other eye may take over dominance for other activities.) One example is a friend of mine that plays in the APA. He tried to convince me with his utmost will that he's right-eye dominant, "because he shoots firearms with his right eye." (Of course, he's a right-hander, and it's natural to sight with that same-side eye over the sights.) But when watching him play -- when he's playing at his best and not side-tracked thinking about fundamentals -- his LEFT EYE is over the cue. He didn't believe me, so when he was down on a shot one day, with me directly in front of him some distance away, I snuck a cell-phone picture of him just prior to him pulling the trigger (flash turned off, of course). And then I showed this picture to him. Needless to say, he was dumbfounded at what the picture plainly told -- his left eye was over the cue. Armed with that information now, he no longer "forces" himself to adhere to the belief that his right eye should be over the cue (which, when he does this -- playing with his right eye over the cue -- he plays far below par). He's now *much* more consistent with his abilities. The point? The notion of "dominant eye" is not a fixed entity -- whatever eye is dominant with one activity, may not (and often is not) dominant in another activity.

In summary, Gene, I accept your offer. I do think that what you're doing is to [indirectly] keep alive the great work that Richard did, and expand on it, making it easier than ever to learn, as compared to Richard's comprehensive book which requires many passes through to absorb. Much value in that endeavor, for sure, and it lives up to your notion that you're doing your best to give and help players play better in the shortest amount of time. Just let's keep away from the "I feel like Christopher Columbus discovering a new world" and "Hear no evil, see no evil" (related to not acknowledging the existence of Richard Kranicki's then-groundbreaking work, which preceded yours). If you do all that, you'll be doing a tremendous service to the pool playing community for sure!

Regards,
-Sean
 
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