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You lost. Go home. Game over.
The DVD was the worst thing that could have happened to the yeasayers. It showed us all, in full color, the "wizard" behind the curtain.
Thanks, Toto.
Lou Figueroa
someone turn out
the lights
See, that's the thing. People who play at a higher level already aim just fine.
If you gave it an honest try, you would see that it does in fact work. Doesn't mean you have to use it. I'm sure what you are doing works just fine.
As far as Stevie Moore goes I know how it goes when you have a mentor, you want to give them so much credit to show your gratitude for helping your overall game. If an instructor is really stressing a certain teaching a person can be prone to go along with the excitement of the instructor and agree with them that Pro one has made all the difference. "Thank you Stan. You were right."
Meanwhile Stevie might be using mostly the memory from shooting a million balls to make the balls via fine tuning. Landon would be even more likely to convince his own dad that he is following the system exactly.
I'm not saying this is what happened but I feel this is a part of human nature that could play a part.
Meanwhile Stevie might be using mostly the memory from shooting a million balls to make the balls via fine tuning. Landon would be even more likely to convince his own dad that he is following the system exactly.
I'm not saying this is what happened but I feel this is a part of human nature that could play a part.
If Stan hadn't invented the pro one part of it then all the guys who were saying they used CTE would have to do the pivot for all to see to prove they were using it. How convenient that they can say they are using CTE but show no signs of using it.
Brilliant! Stan talks about how all the pros are going to improve when this info gets out. He can fantasize that they are all using it in years to come because even though there are no signs of pivoting they are using "pro one" which is not detectable.
What a racket.
Brilliant! Stan talks about how all the pros are going to improve when this info gets out. He can fantasize that they are all using it in years to come because even though there are no signs of pivoting they are using "pro one" which is not detectable.
What a racket.
You naysayers really don't have a clue. I don't know about you but Lou certainly has the video or at least he said he did. I'll take his word that he bought the video.
Pro One is the automatic, natural method of shooting with CTE/Pro One. When you use Pro One, it looks just like any other method of shooting. You use the CTEL and the A,B or C coordinates just like in the manual CTE/Pro One. For the pivot, you have practiced with the pivot so much, you know where the cue tip should be after the pivot and simply place your hand there.
I'm really amazed at the stupidity I see from some of you naysayers. You insinuate and even suggest that because Stevie knows Stan and has worked with him in the past, that it is just human nature for him to be lying about his use of Pro One.
YOU NAYSAYERS ARE STOOPING LOWER THAN EVEN I DREAMED YOU EVER COULD.
All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Hell, I'm ashamed of all of you for the dirt you have tried to throw on these good and decent people.
Shame the hell on all of you. You all make me want to vomit.
No wonder the professional players avoid this place like the plague, you naysayers are like a cancer and I'm really sick of all of you.
OK, I'm all done.
Reading the word "naysayer" over and over again makes me want to vomit.
Don't ever stop.
Don't ever stop.
Delusional reasons. You really just show you have no understanding of how it works.
It does, but not after a brief watching like you did LOU.
I think your lights are already out, goodnight lou.
Well, now that I've had the hell shamed out of me by the mouth of the South, I feel lots better.
Joey, you're the one that's stupid. You could have chosen a way bigger font than you did. Something in a flame red perhaps.
Joey, you're the one that's stupid. You could have chosen a way bigger font than you did. Something in a flame red perhaps.
Man, those drawings in the proof of exactness thread are so cute. They show just how limiting CTE is. It is only exact for certain shots and not all shots. My GB method works on all shots.
I've yet to see a pretty drawing of a ball in front of the cue ball drawing. You know when you have to shoot jacked up and have no choice on where to put your bridge hand.
Speaking of bridge, where are the drawings for using a mechincal bridge shooting over a rack of balls like in 14.1 at times?
I'd like to see a drawing of a rail first shot, you know hit the rail first then the OB you want to make.
Let's see some drawing that represent real world conitions and how easy CTE can be used, which it can't. Just read the Answering question post on how confusing alot of people find.
Here is a real simple way to learn to aim and if because its free, you don't feel is worth while, well, to make ya feel better, I will take donations.
Set up a simple cut shot where the OB is about a foot from the center of a corner pocket. Put the CB at a angle to that OB, say about foot away. Now, this next step would be easier if you had Babe Cranfields Arrow, but its not need.
Now, place the tip of your cue at a spot 1/2 ball from the outermost edge of the OB. If you were using the arrow, your cue tip would be on the point of the arrow. This point is the aim point.
Now, with your tip on that spot, move until your cue is directly over the OB ball. Lower your cue until it touches the top of the CB. Thats the aim line. You aim the top of the CB to that spot on the table or if you are practicing with the arrow, the point of the arrow, the OB will go center pocket, if you line everything up. See everything takes practice, its just that some ways, like GB are easier to practice than others, like CTE.
Practicing with the arrow and using the top of the CB is the only true way to aim. Once the arrow is gone, that where hours of practice come into play like any system.
Now, while standing there with the cue tip on the aim point and the butt resting on top of the CB, the butt part that goes past the CB represents the line the cue needs to be on for center ball hit on the CB.
Oh, and feel aiming,,,, well, feel aiming only applies to new players that haven't spent alot of time at the table or the first time you ever attempt a certain shot, or a shot you don't practice much.
Feel aiming is the same as guesstamating. You do not have enough experince with shot making to know where to put the CB in order to make the OB go where you want it. The more quality time at the table, the more you know where to aim, so you go from feeling to knowing. Once I decided on what to do on a shot, I know where I need to aim based on alot of table time and not feel.
For me, feel come, into play in the executation of a shot.
Like the first time you try a two rail bank. You feel where to aim at first, but then after practice, practice, you just start to know where to aim to make that two rail.
So, everyone uses feel aiming at some point and never truely gets away from it.
If their is a pre shot routine, what is the shot routine and the post shot routine? I always here about the pre shot routine but nothing about the rest. Aren't these other two just as important?
I used to hear that once you hit a ball stay down until the ball drops. Haven't read that lately anywhere. This is a very important step to do.
At the very least, I have made my own way to aim that makes sense to me, simple to use, can be used on all shots, and just plain works.
Oh, position play IS NOT a separte from shot making. This is just wrong type thinking. Putting a ball in a pocket and position play are components of shot making. Putting a OB in a pocket is not shot making, thats putting a OB in a hole. Shoting making is putting the ball in the pocket AND getting position for the next shot. This needs to be practice from the first time you ever pick up a cue.
Even if you are practicing one ball drills, keep where the CB is going in mind. Watch it until it stops rolling. Ove time, you will this has helped you see the CB path better.
Its just sad that a game that is so simple has been turned into something that is harder than it needs to be by people that really should know better.
Here is a little fact that is key in shot making, there is one and only one point on the table that when the CB is placed there will cause the OB to go center pocket. This is true even with spin.
Also, that point is always the same no matter what the angle of the CB is to the OB.
FWIW
I've yet to see a pretty drawing of a ball in front of the cue ball drawing. You know when you have to shoot jacked up and have no choice on where to put your bridge hand.
Speaking of bridge, where are the drawings for using a mechincal bridge shooting over a rack of balls like in 14.1 at times?
I'd like to see a drawing of a rail first shot, you know hit the rail first then the OB you want to make.
Let's see some drawing that represent real world conitions and how easy CTE can be used, which it can't. Just read the Answering question post on how confusing alot of people find.
Here is a real simple way to learn to aim and if because its free, you don't feel is worth while, well, to make ya feel better, I will take donations.
Set up a simple cut shot where the OB is about a foot from the center of a corner pocket. Put the CB at a angle to that OB, say about foot away. Now, this next step would be easier if you had Babe Cranfields Arrow, but its not need.
Now, place the tip of your cue at a spot 1/2 ball from the outermost edge of the OB. If you were using the arrow, your cue tip would be on the point of the arrow. This point is the aim point.
Now, with your tip on that spot, move until your cue is directly over the OB ball. Lower your cue until it touches the top of the CB. Thats the aim line. You aim the top of the CB to that spot on the table or if you are practicing with the arrow, the point of the arrow, the OB will go center pocket, if you line everything up. See everything takes practice, its just that some ways, like GB are easier to practice than others, like CTE.
Practicing with the arrow and using the top of the CB is the only true way to aim. Once the arrow is gone, that where hours of practice come into play like any system.
Now, while standing there with the cue tip on the aim point and the butt resting on top of the CB, the butt part that goes past the CB represents the line the cue needs to be on for center ball hit on the CB.
Oh, and feel aiming,,,, well, feel aiming only applies to new players that haven't spent alot of time at the table or the first time you ever attempt a certain shot, or a shot you don't practice much.
Feel aiming is the same as guesstamating. You do not have enough experince with shot making to know where to put the CB in order to make the OB go where you want it. The more quality time at the table, the more you know where to aim, so you go from feeling to knowing. Once I decided on what to do on a shot, I know where I need to aim based on alot of table time and not feel.
For me, feel come, into play in the executation of a shot.
Like the first time you try a two rail bank. You feel where to aim at first, but then after practice, practice, you just start to know where to aim to make that two rail.
So, everyone uses feel aiming at some point and never truely gets away from it.
If their is a pre shot routine, what is the shot routine and the post shot routine? I always here about the pre shot routine but nothing about the rest. Aren't these other two just as important?
I used to hear that once you hit a ball stay down until the ball drops. Haven't read that lately anywhere. This is a very important step to do.
At the very least, I have made my own way to aim that makes sense to me, simple to use, can be used on all shots, and just plain works.
Oh, position play IS NOT a separte from shot making. This is just wrong type thinking. Putting a ball in a pocket and position play are components of shot making. Putting a OB in a pocket is not shot making, thats putting a OB in a hole. Shoting making is putting the ball in the pocket AND getting position for the next shot. This needs to be practice from the first time you ever pick up a cue.
Even if you are practicing one ball drills, keep where the CB is going in mind. Watch it until it stops rolling. Ove time, you will this has helped you see the CB path better.
Its just sad that a game that is so simple has been turned into something that is harder than it needs to be by people that really should know better.
Here is a little fact that is key in shot making, there is one and only one point on the table that when the CB is placed there will cause the OB to go center pocket. This is true even with spin.
Also, that point is always the same no matter what the angle of the CB is to the OB.
FWIW
"Feel" is aiming from memory and experience (the only way there is, really). Even when you "know" a shot will go, and even if you use a system to get close to the actual aim first, you're still aiming it "by feel".
pj
chgo
"Feel" a/k/a "muscle memory." :grin-square:
Oh, this whole idea that someone, who doesn't put in what some believe to be enough time by others, to learn CTE are unwilling or unmotivated don't understand the difference between wasting time and spending time doing something.
We all have only so much time and most of us do not know how much time that is. So, for me and I bet alot more, time is very precicous and not to be wasted on useless things but to spend time on things that truely matter to a person.
So, for some, CTE is a waste of time and for others, they enjoy spending there time on it.
But to imply that those who no longer want to waste their time on CTE as being unwilling or unmotivated is very shallow thinking. They value their time, see it as limted and want to use it up in the best way from them and no one else.
We all have only so much time and most of us do not know how much time that is. So, for me and I bet alot more, time is very precicous and not to be wasted on useless things but to spend time on things that truely matter to a person.
So, for some, CTE is a waste of time and for others, they enjoy spending there time on it.
But to imply that those who no longer want to waste their time on CTE as being unwilling or unmotivated is very shallow thinking. They value their time, see it as limted and want to use it up in the best way from them and no one else.
duckie, just a heads up regarding next weeks meeting of the United Naysayers of North America (UNNA). We've had to reschedule it from Tuesday afternoon to Friday morning due to a conflict of interest problem with our guest speaker Mr. Joey A. As you know his topic is going to be: "Aiming Systems and Alzheimers; Are They Related?"
Refreshments will be provided but we are asking members who attend to bring there own beer, and for safety reasons, cans and not bottles.
Our world outreach program is moving along nicely. Reports coming in tell us that player after player is abandoning aming systems and going au natural.
Donations are up. Checks from Pros wishing to remain annonnymu...annimonimu...unknown, are coming in at a surprising rate.
Well, that's it duckie. See you next Friday.
Refreshments will be provided but we are asking members who attend to bring there own beer, and for safety reasons, cans and not bottles.
Our world outreach program is moving along nicely. Reports coming in tell us that player after player is abandoning aming systems and going au natural.
Donations are up. Checks from Pros wishing to remain annonnymu...annimonimu...unknown, are coming in at a surprising rate.
Well, that's it duckie. See you next Friday.
Go away.
Shoo.
You are in the wrong thread for cheer leading and the game is over anyway (you lost by the way). So take your pom poms and go home.
Lou Figueroa
You're Kidding me, right? An arrow and the butt of your cue? I see now why you don't understand CTE!!